Official 2023 San Francisco Giants Off-Season Thread - Jung Hoo Lee signs with SF 6-years $113 Million

JumpmanFromDaBay said:
We had a Greatest Home Run hitter of all time and they never really put a great overall team around him!
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Are you really comparing 2002-ish payroll to today's?

Let's see what has happened in between -

2 world series titles, further confirmation that Pac Bell is one of the great MLB venues which in return filled the coffers, TV revenue deal with CSN and the overall development of China Basin as an ownership group..

Since 2010 have we really thought they've been anything but fair w/ their payroll??
 
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LazyJ10 said:
Since 2010 have we really thought they've been anything but fair w/ their payroll??
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I think they have been fair.  I wouldn't say they have done everything in their power to put the best players on the field though. 

Take late last offseason for example.  We had a glaring hole in left field, and there were still good free agents available.  I believe the exact quote from management was that we were "tapped out" and wouldn't be making any more moves in free agency.  Well, IMO, that is a load of BS.  How after two WS titles in the last 3 years (and all the money that was flooding in due to that), were we tapped out?  Thats why we ended up with Andres Torres.  To me, that was a perfect example of our ownership being cheap.

But overall, I am with you Lazy.  They have been fair.  In fact, they have often times been far more than fair when it comes to spending money (Pagan, Scutaro, Huff, Affeldt, etc.)
 
dland24 said:
I think they have been fair.  I wouldn't say they have done everything in their power to put the best players on the field though. 

Take late last offseason for example.  We had a glaring hole in left field, and there were still good free agents available.  I believe the exact quote from management was that we were "tapped out" and wouldn't be making any more moves in free agency.  Well, IMO, that is a load of BS.  How after two WS titles in the last 3 years (and all the money that was flooding in due to that), were we tapped out?  Thats why we ended up with Andres Torres.  To me, that was a perfect example of our ownership being cheap.

But overall, I am with you Lazy.  They have been fair.  In fact, they have often times been far more than fair when it comes to spending money (Pagan, Scutaro, Huff, Affeldt, etc.)
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I'd have to see who was still left and what they signed for. Tapped out could mean a couple of things - they may not have been high up on Player X and therefore his bidding price to come to SF would have over-extended them. It's not like FA is done in a vacuum it has impact on years to come.

My only issue is the "rewarding" the team does - Huff and Scutaro, for example. Scutaro to a lesser extent, but we'll see in 2 years.

At the end of the day, we're not the yankees and their not running a 501(c) so I understand they owners want to make some coin, too.
 
All the players that were given bad contracts were already on our team, and they all played like they needed the money in their contract years. Of course the last few years is a small sample size but from what it looks like it seems upper management is only willing to spend money on players that prove themselves while they're with us. They might be hesitant after how badly Rowand and Zito flamed out.
 
Lightweight Champion said:
All the players that were given bad contracts were already on our team, and they all played like they needed the money in their contract years. Of course the last few years is a small sample size but from what it looks like it seems upper management is only willing to spend money on players that prove themselves while they're with us. They might be hesitant after how badly Rowand and Zito flamed out.
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I dont disagree with any of this.  I think you are absolutely spot on with how management is willing to spend their money ( A- rewarding players who were already on our team and B- hesitant to make big(ger) signings in free agency because or Rowand and Zito).

Problem is, you cant continue to run your organization like this if you want to remain competitive.  We are overpaying our own free agents, and choosing to pass on other teams free agents strictly because of fear of them turning out like past signings.  That is not a recipe for success.  Now I am not advocating buying every free agent out there like the Dodgers are, but there needs to be a balance. 

This offseason is going to be VERY interesting.  With the amount of money coming off the books, it will be very interesting to see how Sabean uses the money, if at all.  He better though.  This team is in need of some major changes.  And if he doesnt make a splash in free agency, I dont see how we will improve on this season.
 
I agree. This offseason sets us up for the near future and some long term attributes as well.

Thank God Zito won't get his innings quota to trigger another payday. Could you imagine?
 
There's no"fascination" withh Pill. Dude has just done nothing but rake in the Minors, and we have never given the dude a chance. The fact that Belt gets every opportunity in the world and Pill gets none, only makes me root for him harder.

Lon Simmons says that his two favorite Giants are Tim Lincecum and Brett Pill. He also said that he hopes he gets traded to a team that will give him a chance to play.
 
:lol: @ people getting but hurt about Brian Wilson... its a business.

Word is the Pirates, Rangers and Reds are all interested in Pence. Sabean don't disappoint me.

Also head Javier Lopez might be moved
 
San Francisco Giants Lineup
Torres, CF
Scutaro, 2B
Sandoval, 3B
Pence, RF
Francoeur, LF
Pill, 1B
Quiroz, C
Crawford, SS
Zito, LHP

Philadelphia Phillies Lineup
Rollins, SS
Young, 3B
Utley, 2B
Ruf, LF
Young, RF
Frandsen, 1B
Mayberry, CF
Ruiz, C
Lannan, LHP
 
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