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just seen it. its actually a really good movie. im mad they had baze malbus and Chirrut Îmwe die off smh
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I was going to make that comparison.

The bigger problem is nobody was suspicious of Palpatine from a political angle until it was too late. Son was hoarding and monopolizing power, making himself the key figure in important and critical junctures during the war. Son literally went from old senator on his way out to emperor for decades.

I've said this before, but I think that even though Lucas intended the prequels to be Anakin's story, it's really more Palpatine's story: how he understood that the Sith could never wage an overt war against the Jedi, so he created a war, complete with warring factions and puppet governments to slowly whittle their numbers down, while also putting himself in prime position to usurp power due to the galaxy's fear.

Prequel trilogy is the story of Palpatine's machinations coming to fruition.
On purpose or inadvertent, it really makes the character look like pure genius.

You just list the bullet points of how he manipulated them all and rose to power and it's just beautiful.

Its why Palpatine/Sidious is one of if not my favorite character laugh.gif

Knowing what I know now about what he pulled off in the prequels makes his trolling in RotJ a billion times more entertaining roll.gif

One of the rare times where if the bad guy won I wouldn't be mad at all. Hell I might have to root for him.
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Definitely one of the best villains of all time.
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I've said this before, but I think that even though Lucas intended the prequels to be Anakin's story, it's really more Palpatine's story: how he understood that the Sith could never wage an overt war against the Jedi, so he created a war, complete with warring factions and puppet governments to slowly whittle their numbers down, while also putting himself in prime position to usurp power due to the galaxy's fear.

Prequel trilogy is the story of Palpatine's machinations coming to fruition.
 

 

 

Valid points. 

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Don't know how much has been discussed but I'm watching TFA and I'm slowly convinced that Rey is Luke's daughter (well always believed that part) and that he had Rey stay with his sister and brother in law (as Obi Wan had him raised with his step uncle and aunt) and something happened where Rey was kidnapped or something (believed dead) leading it to be Kylo Ren's fault but them blaming themselves for it.

Just the way Han looks at her and stuff seems like he's reminded of someone when he looks at her. Him wanting her to come serve on the Falcon seems like at an attempt at filling a void. Then Kylo Ren immediately showing concern when he's told that Fin and BB-8 was assisted by a girl
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post #15096 of 16276
^

It's obi. Watch the conspiracy video a few pages before. To many things are coincidental to not be.
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Rey was born over ten years after the Battle of Yavin. Only way she's Obi-Wan's daughter is if he had a clone running around.
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I meant she's Obi's granddaughter IMO.
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I dunno. It's like finding out Yoda has kids. Yoda and Obi Wan are the Jedi standard. You think of what a Jedi is and you think of those 2. Finding out Obi Wan has kids is like a huge betrayal to what Jedi stand for. Think we've had enough of betrayals lol. Especially with him already having to watch over a child who shouldn't have been conceived anyway in Luke.

Although, with them considering an Obi Wan movie, him being Rey's grandfather would be a huge way to drive even more people into theaters to see it.
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I dunno. It's like finding out Yoda has kids. Yoda and Obi Wan are the Jedi standard. You think of what a Jedi is and you think of those 2. Finding out Obi Wan has kids is like a huge betrayal to what Jedi stand for. Think we've had enough of betrayals lol. Especially with him already having to watch over a child who shouldn't have been conceived anyway in Luke.

Although, with them considering an Obi Wan movie, him being Rey's grandfather would be a huge way to drive even more people into theaters to see it.

 

It's possible. . .

 

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Long, long way to December. . . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the points made in the video are a little contrived . . . but other speculations had me 8o & not the ones you would expect. . .

 

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I dunno. It's like finding out Yoda has kids. Yoda and Obi Wan are the Jedi standard. You think of what a Jedi is and you think of those 2. Finding out Obi Wan has kids is like a huge betrayal to what Jedi stand for. Think we've had enough of betrayals lol. Especially with him already having to watch over a child who shouldn't have been conceived anyway in Luke.

Although, with them considering an Obi Wan movie, him being Rey's grandfather would be a huge way to drive even more people into theaters to see it.

It's believable if you watch Clone Wars. He had a thing with Satine which is canon.
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Couldn't really see Obi-Wan having a kid either. While he had relationships, both in the Disney Canon and the EU Canon, his duty to the Jedi Order always trumped both.
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Couldn't really see Obi-Wan having a kid either. While he had relationships, both in the Disney Canon and the EU Canon, his duty to the Jedi Order always trumped both.

Yeah. Obi-Wan was the ultimate prude and boy scout for the Jedi Order. No need to force kids on him after all these years. I still say there's Rey's some sort of Palpatine/Skywalker DNA-type Clone or something like that.
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Couldn't really see Obi-Wan having a kid either. While he had relationships, both in the Disney Canon and the EU Canon, his duty to the Jedi Order always trumped both.
Yeah but after a while still in his prime all alone watching over Luke from afar on a damn dessert planet he may go off and spread thatnseed given the order no longer exists.

He got like 20 years to raise a kid and send them on their way laugh.gif
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His kid would have had to be born right when Luke was. That means he would have left the kid to go on his suicide mission with Luke. I don't take Obi Wan as a scumbag Steve type of guy
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Same problem arises with people talking about Rey is a Skywalker or a Solo and her parents left her on that planet by herself laugh.gif Unless her parents are dead, imprisoned, or had their memories erased, they end up looking like scumbags for leaving a child on that planet by herself without any kind of directions or supervision.
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This thread is turning into Star Wars: True Detective.



We're literally a Matthew McConaughey away from this happening. laugh.gif
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Same problem arises with people talking about Rey is a Skywalker or a Solo and her parents left her on that planet by herself laugh.gif Unless her parents are dead, imprisoned, or had their memories erased, they end up looking like scumbags for leaving a child on that planet by herself without any kind of directions or supervision.

That's why I thought it's a possibility that she was kidnapped and left there alone. We know something happened and Kylo Ren was sent away to the Jedi temple with Luke. Then whatever happened was so bad it made Han go back to being a smuggler, leaving fatherhood and being a husband behind.

Maybe Kylo was thought to have killed a young Rey (either Rey being his cousin or sister) with his powers and everyone blamed themselves for it. They sent Kylo away. Leia dwelled in her duties. Han felt he wasn't a good father or protector and left to do what he knew he was good at.

I think it's so obvious that Luke is Rey's father that it's being overlooked. I think the question isn't is Luke is her father, but why she was abandoned?

A girl obviously means something to Han and Kylo in the film. The way they both look upon her and interact with her. That "you remind me of a girl that I once knew. I see her face whenever I look at you" (Ursher baby). I think with Luke becoming a Jedi Master he had to send Rey away (to his sister?) knowing he shouldn't have those ties to anyone.
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My family is snowed in today, so we are going to give Attack of the Clones a try. (My wife/daughter haven't seen it)

Interested to see if I soften on it any. See what I've forgotten.
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Couldn't really see Obi-Wan having a kid either. While he had relationships, both in the Disney Canon and the EU Canon, his duty to the Jedi Order always trumped both.

Depends on what was stronger, his sense of duty or his pullout game.
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Yeah. Obi-Wan was the ultimate prude and boy scout for the Jedi Order. No need to force kids on him after all these years. I still say there's Rey's some sort of Palpatine/Skywalker DNA-type Clone or something like that.

either of those would suck

either maker her a skywalker or somebody totally unrelated to anyone

deer lord if luke says shes his father... laugh.gif
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His kid would have had to be born right when Luke was. That means he would have left the kid to go on his suicide mission with Luke. I don't take Obi Wan as a scumbag Steve type of guy
Well maybe they had a falling out and the kid left home. Like dad why are you disappearing for hours to days at a time leaving me and mom alone? Why won't you teach me how to use the force or that lightsaber? Why aren't you helping the rebels? You're a coward dad, blah blah blah.

Misunderstood dad Ben Kenobi? nerd.gif
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Since it was said the clues for Rey's parents are in TFA, I see kind of resemblance here:

Even facial expressions are similar.

I can think of a few ways that this makes sense and it's been speculated about before. 

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Since it was said the clues for Rey's parents are in TFA, I see kind of resemblance here:




Even facial expressions are similar.
I can think of a few ways that this makes sense and it's been speculated about before. 

There's a YouTube fan conspiracy video as well
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We're literally a Matthew McConaughey away from this happening. laugh.gif

Make it happen!

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Maybe it's just me and I'm a piece of trash of trash, but I don't have any interest in seeing a Han Solo film
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Yall in just throwin **** at the wall until it sticks laugh.gif.

Yall done named every possible person with the force minus Maul as a possible parent.

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Maybe it's just me and I'm a piece of trash of trash, but I don't have any interest in seeing a Han Solo film

I'm with you right now, but I know it'll be inevitable that I change my tune once a trailer drops or something.

Surprisingly, I'm actually more interested to see young Lando in this. I want to see if their dynamic, in this film, will make me look at ESB differently. Like Rogue One does for the beginning of ANH now.
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