Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[jc619er]

 

Yea because then you have to pick at each movie because each movie is equally flawed except for empire

Luke was equally whiny as anakin was in a new hope

 

Trying to dismiss people liking something purely off nostalgia is a weak argument.

I wonder if the "The Original Trilogy came out when you were kids, that's why you can't approach them critically" argument would fly here

But I never said the original trilogy was perfect. All three of those movies have their flaws, but what those movies have is heart and feeling and still hold up today when rewatched. The Prequels are flat out awful in more ways than one and when rewatched all they get is worse. And there is absolutely no feeling put into any character in those movies. They are all literally disposable bores.

 

[green rhino123]

...disposable boars.

 

[jays25]

 

Yea because then you have to pick at each movie because each movie is equally flawed except for empire


Luke was equally whiny as anakin was in a new hope

 

Trying to dismiss people liking something purely off nostalgia is a weak argument.

I wonder if the "The Original Trilogy came out when you were kids, that's why you can't approach them critically" argument would fly here

But I never said the original trilogy was perfect. All three of those movies have their flaws, but what those movies have is heart and feeling and still hold up today when rewatched. The Prequels are flat out awful in more ways than one and when rewatched all they get is worse. And there is absolutely no feeling put into any character in those movies. They are all literally disposable bores.

Episode 1 and 3 hold up for me today just fine.

 

[noblekane]

man i gotta go back and watch attack of the clones was it really that bad?

 

[Ingenious Bastard]

man i gotta go back and watch attack of the clones was it really that bad?

Don't do it.....just don't.

It's nothing but a teen love story drama set in space.

 

[green rhino123]

man i gotta go back and watch attack of the clones was it really that bad?

i'm a sucker for some yoda so i liked it more than the others if i remember

pitfalls tho: way too much cgi including yoda & boring plot & character development

 

[Master Zik]

Palpatine being able to hide himself from the likes of Yoda is an example of just how powerful he is.

also an example of how much of an idiot yoda is 

Naah.

Yeah, it's suppose to show how impressive Sidious is. He can be older than Yoda and thus more experienced.

 

Good points

Sure, if the Jedi only failed once, allowing mass genocide once, but it's been multiple times. I'm not even all that sure why you shouldn't join the dark side.


I feel like we've been running on the all powerful jedi myth for the longest time, but yet to see it. Star wars mega fans can disagree, but look at the majority of the costumes they wear, they're certainly not jedis.

it was cool to be a jedi because of the original movies

prequels turned jedi into a clown show 

if you replaced yoda with a new character and mace with some no name actor thats not same jackson but give them the exact same lines and actions and no one would care at all about these two stupid characters. just lazy terrible writing taking advantage of recognisable faces to trick people into liking them 

Disagree.

The whole point of the prequels were to show how the Jedi were when they were on top. The Jedi were in a different place in the OT.

Seems you were lost on what we were talking about.

It wasn't that having the force made you a better pilot it was if the force made you a pliot at all.

The force did not just make Luke a good pilot That's not how the force works.

OK

Yeah you're still confused.

I mean you're going to Ep II to confirm somethign that was said in EP I and they already explained why Luke was a good pilot in A New Hope

 

[green rhino123]

in the prequels...when they would set up those slow, wide indoor shots to start a scene...i'd think...awe ****...this scene finna take 30min minimum

 

[jays25]

man i gotta go back and watch attack of the clones was it really that bad?

Not in my opinion, but that's just me. Out of the six previous films it's my least favorite, but a large part of that I attribute to the romance between Anakin and Padme. I didn't even have a problem with the chemistry between the two actors. I just didn't want that much romance from a Star Wars film. As a prequel, I do think we need to see Luke and Leia's parents (Anakin naturally because he's Darth ******* Vader), but I could've used a little less of the romance. I also couldn't stand Obi-Wan's character in AOTC. However, I felt it did a good job of showing the continued decay of the Galactic Republic, along with providing a suitable explanation for the Clone Wars taking place. There wasn't much in the way of space combat and I didn't personally care for the chase Jango Fett and Obi-Wan had through the Geonosian asteroid field, but the ground-based action was solid overall, ranging from decent to great. Finally getting to see Yoda use a lightsaber is still one of the best moments in the franchise for me. The entire battle on Geonosis was also excellent and I had no complaints. Count Dooku was a calm and collected villain and I fully understood why people would follow him. Though he was a darksider and used a red lightsaber he still set himself apart from both Maul and Vader. Anakin as a character wavered for me in this film. There were times I liked him and times I was annoyed by him, but I appreciated his overall storyline and his descent towards darkness. The murder of those Sand People is another scene that stands as one of the greatest. I think that the darkness in Anakin needed to be emphasized in this film, because the first episode didn't really show it at all. Though I disliked both characters at different points I also liked the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan and where it had gone since the first episode.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Yeah you're still confused.

I mean you're going to Ep II to confirm somethign that was said in EP I and they already explained why Luke was a good pilot in A New Hope

What on Alderaan are you talking about? "You must have Jedi reflexes" is a quote from Episode I bruh

The force did not just make Luke a good pilot That's not how the force works.

You clearly thought that the Force didn't make you a better pilot. Don't try to backtrack man just admit you were wrong

 

[KingParappa]

I think we just all need to settle down and go read Obi-Wan & Anakin #1

 

[CP1708]

The Prequels SHOULD have been the greatest Trilogy ever shown. Hands down.

The OT legacy and lore told us about Anakin Skywalker, Vader, the Clone Wars, Jedi Knights. Stuff that people desperately wanted to know more about.

Outside of Yoda, Mace, Qwi-Gon, Obi Wan, name another Jedi. In fact, you already knew Yoda and Obi Wan. So in 3 films, we met 2 knew Jedi that mattered to the story.

Vader betrayed and hunted down the Jedi. But all we saw was him killing kids.

We should have seen an already strong Anakin training with the Jedi academy and Ben taking interest and thinking he could finish his training outside of the Council.
We should have seen Anakin rise thru the ranks with those teachings but be awfully shaky with his decision making over time. Conflicted, angry, aggressive. Using rage to finish off opponents, even killing say Darth Maul after he was disarmed.
Ben tries to reign him in, but Anakin gets more and more powerful, believes he is above Ben, Made, Yoda, and any of the other Jedi you could flesh out. Should know at minimum 10 elite Jedi counsil members.
Palpatine remains in his ear at all times.
Anakin meets Fett, they do business together in secret. (Imagine seeing them fight alongside each other)
Eventually his rage and anger takes him over. He believes he is above the Jedi way of thinking. Meditating is for *******. He wants the Jedi to be proactive. To hunt the Sith, take the fight to them. But Jedi always play defense, slow play.
Palpatine finally gets Anakin to see his vision, of the Empire running the galaxy the "right" way. (From a certain point of view).
From the inside, in the Jedi Temple, Anakin Strikes, and takes out 2-3 elite Jedi. He has turned. Anakin is gone.
Padme is pregnant, but he doesn't know.
By the third film, he is hunting Jedi, planet to planet, his Dark Side power is supernova. He can't be stopped. Jedi after Jedi die at his hands.
Until Obi Wan. Obi puts that work in. Anakin is placed in the Suit, he is now Vader. You still have an hour of film him wrecking other Council members, Mace, etc. Yoda dips, Ben takes Luke. Organa takes Leia. Padme doesn't die, she goes to Alderran. (Leia remembers her mother, who dies when she is very young)
As a final showdown, the last group of Jedi make a "Final" stand. 7-8-9 Jedi vs Vader and his group of Stormtroopers (Clones) Maybe even has Fett fight alongside him. Vader defeats them all. He has betrayed, and murdered the Jedi. As we were told. The way Ben told Luke in that hut.

That story, fleshed out, would have made George a God. He would have cleared a billion with each film. Fans would be crying in their seats. We'd all wear Lucas T shirts. I'd call him my dad. We were promised that.

We got Jar Jar. 8 year old boys. Roger Roger, Viceroy's, blockades, and Senate meetings. And Anakin/Vader never killed a single Jedi. Not. One.

I will never understand what the **** Lucas was thinking.

 

[ilike turtles]

sooo Rey is Luke's daughter, right..?

 

[Mark Antony]

What you youngins who came up on the prequel need to recognize is the rest of us imagined in our minds what that world would look like for decades with great anticipation because of the stage they set... Then it came out how it did. Eughk.

 

[Ingenious Bastard]

sooo Rey is Luke's daughter, right..?

I don't think that theory has been confirmed true or false.

Unless I missed something.

 

[VinMillerHearn58]

Quick question for you guys. I've decided to make my own Kylo Ren Cosplay and I had a quick question about his helmet. Does he have a dark visor, or is it just black mesh?

 

[GL Rayner]

I get the hate for EP I and II, but III was pretty good, IMO. I find myself watching 3 more than 4. I just wish they showed more of Anakin killing the younglings.

 

[Master Zik]

I finally cracked and saw the film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" after dreading how bad it would be (which had resulted in my hold out until I could see it with all of my family together). Warning... semi-long rant that could be much longer follows. I actually don’t know why I wrote this here (probably just because I knew there was a Star Wars thread on Niketalk). Also, I respect everyone's opinion... and do understand how people could like the film that purports to be Star Wars "VII". I do not, however.

Summary: As a big fan of the Star Wars films, I am very disappointed (but not at all surprised) to say that I dislike the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII”. Setting this film/new trilogy/series further in the future (say, 100-1000 years) may have worked better… but I knew Disney couldn’t resist trying to appeal to the fans of the original trilogy by cutting out connections to it (i.e. original cast members, similar scenes/objects, etc.). This has led to an unjustifiable state of affairs in the Star Wars galaxy as it appears in the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII” in a very short amount of time (20-30 years) that I cannot agree with or support as a fan.

Before I even read your spoiler, do you miss George or something?

Constantly referring to the movie as " the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII” is incredibly salty like this is not official or canon. I know I've across ppl who say it doesn't count if George isn't involved only dealing with the 6 movies, ppl who say only the OT and the books count, books/OT/cartoons, etc.

So is that what this is?

George Lucas is the creator of Star Wars. He had a hand/the ability to fully control the canon up until Disney purchased the rights a few years ago. He had NO hand in the film that just released.

I am not a Lucas "stan"... there are plenty of things that I wish had been different, but I can try to rationalize the few gripes I have with what he did.

I cannot rationalize/reconcile what I saw in this latest film. I anticipated this, but I tried to be open-minded. I cannot accept it. So, I am drawing a line that makes as much logical sense as possible... I feel that it is justified because, as I said, Star Wars is George Lucas' creation.

So, to answer your question... I guess you can put me in the "Lucas must have touched it/must have been done under Lucas' watch" category (not counting EU stuff that he "sort of" approved of by allowing it). That would include all of the 6 films, Ewok Specials, Clone Wars film/series (as discussed above... definitely should be considered canon if it isn't), etc. Everything of that nature prior to 2012 when Disney took over. Just not the Holiday Special. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but it is what it is. If Lucas would have been involved/had control over the canon in this latest film, it would have been tough to swallow... but I guess I would have because it was/is his story. But there is no way he would have done this (see stories on Lucas' "discomfort" with many of Disney's choices).

Ok, that's understandable. I can respect where you stand on that front.

I'll go read that spoiler now.

EDIT

You definitely did OD on purport

I get what you're saying though. The movie clearly was more about making sure it was fun and entertaining, introducing the new characters, and setting up the next movie while paying homage to ANH a lot. It wasn't about adding anything new in that sense. I'm betting they did that cuz George was in the past continuity wise with the PT and did something different and it got skewered after the fact.

 

[39478]

The Prequels SHOULD have been the greatest Trilogy ever shown. Hands down.

The OT legacy and lore told us about Anakin Skywalker, Vader, the Clone Wars, Jedi Knights. Stuff that people desperately wanted to know more about.

Outside of Yoda, Mace, Qwi-Gon, Obi Wan, name another Jedi. In fact, you already knew Yoda and Obi Wan. So in 3 films, we met 2 knew Jedi that mattered to the story.

Vader betrayed and hunted down the Jedi. But all we saw was him killing kids.

We should have seen an already strong Anakin training with the Jedi academy and Ben taking interest and thinking he could finish his training outside of the Council.
We should have seen Anakin rise thru the ranks with those teachings but be awfully shaky with his decision making over time. Conflicted, angry, aggressive. Using rage to finish off opponents, even killing say Darth Maul after he was disarmed.
Ben tries to reign him in, but Anakin gets more and more powerful, believes he is above Ben, Made, Yoda, and any of the other Jedi you could flesh out. Should know at minimum 10 elite Jedi counsil members.
Palpatine remains in his ear at all times.
Anakin meets Fett, they do business together in secret. (Imagine seeing them fight alongside each other)
Eventually his rage and anger takes him over. He believes he is above the Jedi way of thinking. Meditating is for *******. He wants the Jedi to be proactive. To hunt the Sith, take the fight to them. But Jedi always play defense, slow play.
Palpatine finally gets Anakin to see his vision, of the Empire running the galaxy the "right" way. (From a certain point of view).
From the inside, in the Jedi Temple, Anakin Strikes, and takes out 2-3 elite Jedi. He has turned. Anakin is gone.
Padme is pregnant, but he doesn't know.
By the third film, he is hunting Jedi, planet to planet, his Dark Side power is supernova. He can't be stopped. Jedi after Jedi die at his hands.
Until Obi Wan. Obi puts that work in. Anakin is placed in the Suit, he is now Vader. You still have an hour of film him wrecking other Council members, Mace, etc. Yoda dips, Ben takes Luke. Organa takes Leia. Padme doesn't die, she goes to Alderran. (Leia remembers her mother, who dies when she is very young)
As a final showdown, the last group of Jedi make a "Final" stand. 7-8-9 Jedi vs Vader and his group of Stormtroopers (Clones) Maybe even has Fett fight alongside him. Vader defeats them all. He has betrayed, and murdered the Jedi. As we were told. The way Ben told Luke in that hut.

That story, fleshed out, would have made George a God. He would have cleared a billion with each film. Fans would be crying in their seats. We'd all wear Lucas T shirts. I'd call him my dad. We were promised that.

We got Jar Jar. 8 year old boys. Roger Roger, Viceroy's, blockades, and Senate meetings. And Anakin/Vader never killed a single Jedi. Not. One.

I will never understand what the **** Lucas was thinking.

 

[noblekane]

I get the hate for EP I and II, but III was pretty good, IMO. I find myself watching 3 more than 4. I just wish they showed more of Anakin killing the younglings.

you sir are a very sick man

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[Master Zik]

Yeah you're still confused.

I mean you're going to Ep II to confirm somethign that was said in EP I and they already explained why Luke was a good pilot in A New Hope

What on Alderaan are you talking about? "You must have Jedi reflexes" is a quote from Episode I bruh

I don't know how slower I should suggest you re-read my post and the rest of the discussion Should I say it in droid? or Huttenese?

The force did not just make Luke a good pilot That's not how the force works.

You clearly thought that the Force didn't make you a better pilot. Don't try to backtrack man just admit you were wrong

You clearly weren't paying attention to what I was saying or the entire argument.

I'd suggest you go back and re-watch A New Hope or stay confused.

I get the hate for EP I and II, but III was pretty good, IMO. I find myself watching 3 more than 4. I just wish they showed more of Anakin killing the younglings.

you sir are a very sick man

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[ARK]

So was there an idea who the old guy talking to Poe is from TFA? Just saw it for third time. This time was a 71mm IMAX.

 

[Master Zik]

this is what's so great about star wars

you will have one character that has one line and lasts 30 seconds and fans can turn him into a legend

Is that not the definition of overrating in this context?

I'd be on record that any character the fans do that to is really just a ******* lame character.

So was there an idea who the old guy talking to Poe is from TFA? Just saw it for third time. This time was a 71mm IMAX.

Yeah ppl have posted a whole bunch of info on dude from the novel.

Apparently, he was a close ally, wasn't force sensitive but helped in the rebellion. Also it may be a younger version of him in Rogue One.

 

[sea manup]

The scene where Obi-Wan and Anakin just jump out of their starfighters, lightsabers ablaze, and start murking droids at the beginning of the movie is fantastic

Obi-Wan is lowkey the hero of the franchise except for in II. Dude was a complete pompous *** in that movie

thats the exact problem with most of the lightsaber stuff in the prequels

they threw it in because george had no ideas and is a terrible writer so he just went with the cheapest, most basic way to keep kids entertained

no idea how to make a good story? who cares just make them swing lightsabers around

droids are totally useless and we never once feel our characters are in danger because of poor direction/writing? who cares lightsabers!!!!

no idea how to create a villain that has ANY character traits? who cares give him a double sided lightsaber!!!

how do we make this new general intimidating? well lets not bother writing anything interesting about his character, lets give him 4 arms for more lightsabers!!!!!

oh no we forgot what made the fans like yoda and are no longer creative enough to give him smart lines to say, who cares just give him a lightsaber!!!

climax of garbage 2nd movie? 100 JEDIS WITH LIGHTSABERS!!!!!!!!!

the prequels are like the starwars version of transformers movies, no effort is made to create even remotely relatable characters, no effort is made to create a logical plot, its a pure garbage movie with as much CGI "cool stuff" as possible to distract audiences into thinking its entertainment 

when things need to be more interesting, there is no need to be creative. just turn up the lightsaber meter and people will be satisfied because by now everything people love about star wars has been dumbed down to a bunch of giant glow sticks.