Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[noblekane]

come on guys lets live in peace
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[robinvandamn]

http://gametyrant.com/news/dan-borth-is-trying-to-bring-darth-maul-game-back-to-life

 

[...So]

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[change the name Snyder]

http://gametyrant.com/news/dan-borth-is-trying-to-bring-darth-maul-game-back-to-life

bring him back in viii with robo legs 

 

[yancancook90]

Darth Maul is awesome but the way he was reintroduced in the Clone Wars

I think there was a book or something that tied up the loose ends of Maul, since the Clone Wars got cancelled. Not sure if its Disney-canon though.

now that i think about it, this scene is essentially Maul vs Boba Fett, minus that dope black lightsaber.

 

[...So]

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[yancancook90]

all this Maul talk is making me upset with how he was handled. so much potential wasted

 

[niketalker23]

Maul getting killed off didn't bother me. It's funny because he did more in the little screen time he had, than Boba Fett did in all his appearances combined. Boba didn't do **** yet people love him just for looking cool.


Another example of people just finding reasons to complain about the prequels because they were brainwashed to think it's cool to hate those movies.

the difference is that maul was the main villain and by far the coolest villain in the prequels. so it's fair to say they wasted him

Boba was never anything more than a minor side character, but people love him because of how great the OG movies were. 


Boba is like a role player that becomes a fan favorite while Maul is d rose getting hurt and missing the rest of the season after the second month of the season

Maul wasn't the main villian in Ep. 1, that title goes to Sidious. I mean, depending on how literal you take the title, he IS the Phantom Menace.

 

[niketalker23]

all this Maul talk is making me upset with how he was handled. so much potential wasted

There was no time or need to develop a story line for Maul in the movies, it was perfect that they did that in the Clone Wars. Ultimately, he was just a side character.

The movies has to get accross three things.

Rise of Sidious
Fall of the Jedi
Anakin's turn to the dark side.

 

[octobersveryown]

Clone wars >>>

 

[bballermarkie]

A non-force user shouldn't have been a match for Maul with a lightsaber. Doesn't make too much sense there imo

Unless he was a force user and I'm just forgetting

 

[39478]

Darth Maul is da gawd.

 

[CP1708]

all this Maul talk is making me upset with how he was handled. so much potential wasted

There was no time or need to develop a story line for Maul in the movies, it was perfect that they did that in the Clone Wars. Ultimately, he was just a side character.

The movies has to get accross three things.

Rise of Sidious
Fall of the Jedi
Anakin's turn to the dark side.

And those 2 things happened in the final 30 minutes of the 3rd film.

3 films, 3 things you yourself say needed to happen, and 2 of them were 30 minutes worth of screen time.

You realize that's horrible, right? C'mon man......

 

[niketalker23]

all this Maul talk is making me upset with how he was handled. so much potential wasted

There was no time or need to develop a story line for Maul in the movies, it was perfect that they did that in the Clone Wars. Ultimately, he was just a side character.

The movies has to get accross three things.

Rise of Sidious
Fall of the Jedi
Anakin's turn to the dark side.

And those 2 things happened in the final 30 minutes of the 3rd film.

3 films, 3 things you yourself say needed to happen, and 2 of them were 30 minutes worth of screen time.

You realize that's horrible, right? C'mon man......

We've been down this road before CP, it's pointless. Nobody wants us to rehash old debates about the same thing .

 

[yancancook90]

Not really asking for a whole storyline, just saying Maul could've easily been the "Vader"/big bad/antagonist through most of the prequels. Even in the OT, Vader is the big bad but Sidious is clearly pulling strings. Dooku could've easily been replaced w/ Maul and Palpatine would still be pulling strings in background.

 

[CP1708]

We aren't rehashing anything, it's fine you like the prequels, I'm only pointing out the 3 items you specifically bring up, and 2 of them happened at the end of the final film, as opposed to everything spread out over the course of 3 full films.

At minimum, you should be able to acknowledge that, doesn't mean you don't like them as is or anything.

The fall of the Jedi, and Anakin's turn should have covered more than a 20-30 minute montage of hundreds of Jedi being eliminated in one fell swoop. I don't see why anyone would be upset about that.

 

[noblekane]

they shoulda killed maul at the end of the second movie

but all we got was this
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although i did love jangos death cuz he was a smug douche bag

 

[the antihype]

I'm gonna need Mace Windu to somehow have survived that fall and has been in hiding for the last 30 years...where da purp saber at???

 

[yancancook90]

here's a quick rewrite that keeps Maul alive through the prequels. It does seem Obiwan-centric, which would be frowned upon because the prequels are Anakin's story, but i still dig it. Sidious would still be on the rise, Jedi would die and Anakin would still become Vader.

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star...-george-lucas-biggest-prequel-trilogy-mistake

"Imagine, for a moment, that the ending of The Phantom Menace had been slightly different.

Qui-Gon is mortally wounded by Darth Maul, who then makes his escape - perhaps assuming that Obi-Wan, who'd just fallen off a high platform in the Theed Generator Complex, was either dead or severely injured. Qui-Gon's dying wish is that Obi-Wan takes Anakin under his wing and train him as a Jedi. Obi-Wan agrees, while privately vowing to avenge the death of his master.

In the subsequent films, Darth Maul would continue to serve as Obi-Wan's nemesis. Obi-Wan aims to teach Anakin the ways of Jedi righteousness, but secretly fights his desire for revenge. It could even be that Obi-Wan's bitter thoughts might in some way lead Anakin into turning to the Dark Side. At the very least, this plot strand, with Obi-Wan wrestling with the guilt and anger over the death of his master, could make his character something more than merely stoic and well-meaning.

With a little rewriting, Obi-Wan could have fought Darth Maul, and not General Grievous, in the third and final prequel, Revenge Of The Sith. This would have solved three problems in one stroke: first, it would have resulted in a physical, Ray Park-led combat sequence rather than one heavily augmented with weightless CGI; two, it would have added an emotional dimension to the scene (finally, Obi-Wan gets to purge himself of his anger); and three, it would have provided an apt connection to the Revenge in the movie's title.

How much more effective would it have been when, having finally killed Darth Maul in combat, Obi-Wan had recognised the depth of his own bloodlust, and the satisfaction at having killed his enemy? Just as Luke Skywalker looked at his robot hand and saw his own path to the Dark Side in the original trilogy, Obi-Wan could have recognised the darkness in himself, and realised too late that hatred and a lust for revenge was already turning Anakin into another Lord of the Sith."

 

[bballermarkie]

Oh I love that

 

[sea manup]

 

 

Maul getting killed off didn't bother me. It's funny because he did more in the little screen time he had, than Boba Fett did in all his appearances combined. Boba didn't do **** yet people love him just for looking cool.


Another example of people just finding reasons to complain about the prequels because they were brainwashed to think it's cool to hate those movies.

the difference is that maul was the main villain and by far the coolest villain in the prequels. so it's fair to say they wasted him

Boba was never anything more than a minor side character, but people love him because of how great the OG movies were. 


Boba is like a role player that becomes a fan favorite while Maul is d rose getting hurt and missing the rest of the season after the second month of the season

Maul wasn't the main villian in Ep. 1, that title goes to Sidious. I mean, depending on how literal you take the title, he IS the Phantom Menace.

sidious was also the "main villain" in the OG movies

except vader was the face of evil and he was what got in the way of the protagonist 

 

[niketalker23]

 

 

Maul getting killed off didn't bother me. It's funny because he did more in the little screen time he had, than Boba Fett did in all his appearances combined. Boba didn't do **** yet people love him just for looking cool.



Another example of people just finding reasons to complain about the prequels because they were brainwashed to think it's cool to hate those movies.

the difference is that maul was the main villain and by far the coolest villain in the prequels. so it's fair to say they wasted him


Boba was never anything more than a minor side character, but people love him because of how great the OG movies were. 



Boba is like a role player that becomes a fan favorite while Maul is d rose getting hurt and missing the rest of the season after the second month of the season

Maul wasn't the main villian in Ep. 1, that title goes to Sidious. I mean, depending on how literal you take the title, he IS the Phantom Menace.

sidious was also the "main villain" in the OG movies

except vader was the face of evil and he was what got in the way of the protagonist 

You can't compare Vader with Maul. Although Sidious IS the main Villain of the OT it's the Skywalker story. It's HIS family's story. He IS the chosen one. You can't even begin to compare the significance of Vader with Maul.

We aren't rehashing anything, it's fine you like the prequels, I'm only pointing out the 3 items you specifically bring up, and 2 of them happened at the end of the final film, as opposed to everything spread out over the course of 3 full films.

At minimum, you should be able to acknowledge that, doesn't mean you don't like them as is or anything.

The fall of the Jedi, and Anakin's turn should have covered more than a 20-30 minute montage of hundreds of Jedi being eliminated in one fell swoop. I don't see why anyone would be upset about that.

Those two points do happen slowly. You're taking the event of Order 66, and literally pointing to that as the fall of the Jedi. You can't be that literal man. The fall of the Jedi starts in the beginning failing to recognize they were being played like a fiddle by Sidious. Not only were they ignorant to the machinations of the Dark Side, they were arrogant as hell in the process. Dooku himself tells Obi STRAIGHT UP in Episode II they were being controlled by a Sith Lord and he literally brushes it off. Not only that, they literally went from being the peace keepers of the galaxy, to generals in a galactic war, abandoning everything they Jedi stood for. This proccess slowly unravels throughout the three movies. Order 66 wasn't the fall of the Jedi, that was the point of no return for them. Their fall isn't one event, it's a slow process that Sidious plays out in the three films. Sidious plays it so well, he even gets the Galactiv Senate to turn on the Jedi as well.

As far as Anakin, his turn to the dark side starts in Episode II. The constant anger, rage, fear, and obsession he shows throughout that movie foreshadows what's to come. He slaughters Sand People, including the woman and kids in Ep. II. How is that not the beginning of his turn to the dark side. Again, you take the event with Sidious/Mace/ and Anakin as the moment he turns to the dark side but yet again it's more complicated than that. Sidious feeds on his fear, plays him like he did the Jedi, and slowly but surely lures him in. The moment you point out, is again, the point of no return.

But like I said, we've had this debate, and we'll never agree.

 

[sea manup]

at the end of they day they killed off the only cool character in the prequels

i guess QGJ too but he also died in the first movie

 

[onlyXXVIII]

QGJ > Yoda.

Yoda was too spiritual with the Force, QGJ kept it real. Could have changed everything if the council listened.

 

[CP1708]

 

 

Maul getting killed off didn't bother me. It's funny because he did more in the little screen time he had, than Boba Fett did in all his appearances combined. Boba didn't do **** yet people love him just for looking cool.



Another example of people just finding reasons to complain about the prequels because they were brainwashed to think it's cool to hate those movies.

the difference is that maul was the main villain and by far the coolest villain in the prequels. so it's fair to say they wasted him


Boba was never anything more than a minor side character, but people love him because of how great the OG movies were. 



Boba is like a role player that becomes a fan favorite while Maul is d rose getting hurt and missing the rest of the season after the second month of the season

Maul wasn't the main villian in Ep. 1, that title goes to Sidious. I mean, depending on how literal you take the title, he IS the Phantom Menace.

sidious was also the "main villain" in the OG movies

except vader was the face of evil and he was what got in the way of the protagonist 

You can't compare Vader with Maul. Although Sidious IS the main Villain of the OT it's the Skywalker story. It's HIS family's story. He IS the chosen one. You can't even begin to compare the significance of Vader with Maul.

We aren't rehashing anything, it's fine you like the prequels, I'm only pointing out the 3 items you specifically bring up, and 2 of them happened at the end of the final film, as opposed to everything spread out over the course of 3 full films.

At minimum, you should be able to acknowledge that, doesn't mean you don't like them as is or anything.

The fall of the Jedi, and Anakin's turn should have covered more than a 20-30 minute montage of hundreds of Jedi being eliminated in one fell swoop. I don't see why anyone would be upset about that.

Those two points do happen slowly. You're taking the event of Order 66, and literally pointing to that as the fall of the Jedi. You can't be that literal man. The fall of the Jedi starts in the beginning failing to recognize they were being played like a fiddle by Sidious. Not only were they ignorant to the machinations of the Dark Side, they were arrogant as hell in the process. Dooku himself tells Obi STRAIGHT UP in Episode II they were being controlled by a Sith Lord and he literally brushes it off. Not only that, they literally went from being the peace keepers of the galaxy, to generals in a galactic war, abandoning everything they Jedi stood for. This proccess slowly unravels throughout the three movies. Order 66 wasn't the fall of the Jedi, that was the point of no return for them. Their fall isn't one event, it's a slow process that Sidious plays out in the three films. Sidious plays it so well, he even gets the Galactiv Senate to turn on the Jedi as well.

As far as Anakin, his turn to the dark side starts in Episode II. The constant anger, rage, fear, and obsession he shows throughout that movie foreshadows what's to come. He slaughters Sand People, including the woman and kids in Ep. II. How is that not the beginning of his turn to the dark side. Again, you take the event with Sidious/Mace/ and Anakin as the moment he turns to the dark side but yet again it's more complicated than that. Sidious feeds on his fear, plays him like he did the Jedi, and slowly but surely lures him in. The moment you point out, is again, the point of no return.

But like I said, we've had this debate, and we'll never agree.

Ehhhhhhhhhh it's not a terrible stretch, but it's a bit of one. I hear ya on the slow play, but that doesn't make it the right play.

He did have his momentary lapse in II, but he's still a Jedi hero thru Sith til the final scenes. Hell, he turned Sidious in to the Jedi. If Mace wasn't so stupid, they defeat him and Anakin never comes close to turning.
He literally showed up with 3 worthless Jedi killed in 4 seconds.

You have a Sith Lord, runnin your whole government, you get the info, Mace shoulda brought the whole Temple with him.

Thing is, we knew the end game. We had known for 20 years that Anakin falls, why slow play it? Why have one scene thru two films? Why still be a beloved Jedi hero for an hour and a half thru the third? He tells Ben he loves him, he's sorry, etc, and 14 minutes later he "hates" him and tries to kill him.

We knew the ending, so slow playin it was the wrong move. Nothin we could do now, but i wish GL went with late teen Anakin with anger in I, mid 20's Jedi starting to turn in II, and then full on Vader destroying the Jedi order in III.

That was the story we deserved to see George tell. Had he been younger, maybe he would have. I get the whole kid thing, and merchandise, and all that, just wish he gave us the story truer to what Ben said in IV.