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post #91 of 165
Trading away Corey Brewer and Kosta Koufos for Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry was an underrated bad move.
post #92 of 165
I used to think Jonny Flynn would have a decent NBA career.
Im suprised no team wanted him, Im sure if given minutes he could easily average 15ppg 7 apg on 30 minutes
Im pretty sure he would have a better career than Jameer Nelson.
Dude averaged 13.5 ppg in his rookie year, but then it went downhill mean.gif
But yeah I was angry when they drafted Wes Johnson, you knew that kid wasnt going anywhere.
Jury's still out on Derrick Williams, but I wasnt over the moon with that pick.
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post #93 of 165
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Trading away Corey Brewer and Kosta Koufos for Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry was an underrated bad move.

At the time I think all TWolves fans liked the move because Anthony Randolph was still a rising stock despite not getting any playing time in NY. Not to mention, there were rumors that Kahn was going to send Love to Golden State for Randolph, and to think not shortly thereafter they were just getting him for Brewer and Koufos intrigued folks.

Bad move. Getting Eddy Curry helped the Timberwolves cap wise though.
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I used to think Jonny Flynn would have a decent NBA career.
Im suprised no team wanted him, Im sure if given minutes he could easily average 15ppg 7 apg on 30 minutes
Im pretty sure he would have a better career than Jameer Nelson.
Dude averaged 13.5 ppg in his rookie year, but then it went downhill mean.gif
But yeah I was angry when they drafted Wes Johnson, you knew that kid wasnt going anywhere.
Jury's still out on Derrick Williams, but I wasnt over the moon with that pick.
I wasn't ecstatic or angry either way about the Derrick Williams pick... I just knew he was pretty raw. And if it's even possible, he feels even more raw than when he came in.

Everyone said Flynn "would be good" and when he wasn't, they said "he'll do better on another team"... Well, that didn't happen either. He had stints with the Rockets and the Blazers and flamed out. He just wasn't that good, to put it simply. I really doubt he would have been better than Jameer Nelson in any situation, going off what we know now.

Wes Johnson was the biggest head shaker. Didn't fit the team, old for how young he was, no distinct NBA skills... just didn't understand it. mean.gif
post #94 of 165
It's going to come down to Love or Kahn in two years. It was pretty easy for me to pick my side.
post #95 of 165
I still think Flynn is a back up it's just weird how he never really got a chance to show that after signing Luke and Ramon ( which is STILL my biggest issue) they were more loyal to them b/c they were paying him and he was injured and he could be moved.

Derrick for sure just needs the time and patience of a coach I think he'll be decent player not top player status...maybe Josh smith?
post #96 of 165
I agree with the comments.

Kahn's moves have been pathetic. It seriously still keeps me up at night, and this DWill situation is BEYOND frustrating (whatever the reasoning is). But what I have said before, and maybe I was too bold in saying it, was that Kahn to me is just another GM and NBA GMs aside from about 5 of them now do nothing for me whatsoever. What I look for now is can they handle the cap and can they have a vision that allows the team to compete year in and year out. I'm done worrying about the drafting part because it's such a crapshoot as these guys have proven over and over again.

This is the hardest sport to predict future prospects that it's not even funny. The initial Wolves expansion front office couldn't do it, McHale couldn't do it (yes he picked KG and Marbury but go look at his other draft and FA decisions which we all remember well) and now Kahn can't do it. Even well-respected GM's like Dumars and others have CRAPPED THE BED with some of their picks.

What would we be saying about Kahn if HE chose Darko over Carmelo and DWade, or if he chose Hasheem Thabeet #2, or Adam Morrison #3, or if he passed on Durant at #1 like Portland did or passed on Chris Paul and Deron Williams to take Marvin Williams like Atlanta did.

Now with that said...the one thing Kahn does NOT have is at least some success to fall back on. McHale had some success, Dumars obviously did, other GM's have. Kahn has been gifted Rubio and been given Love and Pek (both players were McHale picks). He has done almost nothing other than that besides clearing cap (credit there but not that hard) and clearing junk players as well as making retarded statements every month. He also bypassed Curry to take Flynn. mean.gif

Time will tell what happens with all this, but the fact of the matter is the team's drafting has set them back a decade and that is painfully obvious. They have dropped the ball completely. But they seem to have found an angle with signing Euros and they did throw the bank out to land Adelman who has a system and a plan. We are a hell of a lot better off right now than three years ago.

From the sounds of things I would not be shocked to see Adelman's son take over the entire operation in the future and quite frankly that is fine by me, although we know basically nothing about him ohwell.gif
post #97 of 165
He sucks in drafting, yeah. I think he's done a very good job at building this team via trades and free agency though.
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post #98 of 165
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Good point about the bigger draft busts that other teams have had. I guess my only comeback would be at the time a lot of people thought taking Darko, Thabeet, etc. that high was reasonable, so at least at the TIME it made sense. Did people think the Flynn pick made sense at the time? No. What about the Wes Johnson pick? No. But I totally see what you're saying. And I feel like those GMs don't get barraged and chewed out in the media as much as Kahn. Yeah, I will give credit to Kahn for finding quality players, even though it's a little funny to me that he has to go to go all the way to Russia to do it. laugh.gif

But what do I care, as long as they're good basketball players, fly them 5,000 miles to the Target Center and have them suit up.
post #99 of 165
This discussion and game tonight got me thinking to the point that I wrote about it. Read at your own risk. laugh.gif
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Tonight the Minnesota Timberwolves host the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's a early season meeting that could very well serve to be a preview of a playoff series matchup. The Thunder seem to be the class of the Western Conference, on their way to earning the number one seed in the entire conference through the brilliance of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. The Timberwolves, who have been dealing with injuries before the season even began may sneak their way into the playoffs after spending years toiling in the bottom of the Western Conference.

It's easy to forget that it was not that long ago the Thunder were in the shoes of the Timberwolves. They did after all have to walk before they could run. The franchise managed to play their way into the high lottery by way of finishing the 2007-2009 seasons with bottom five league records. However unlike the Timberwolves under general manager David Kahn, the Thunder (with a little luck) hit home runs on all three lottery draft picks with Durant, Westbrook and the now Houston Rocket James Harden. Since being hired as the general manager of the Timberwolves in 2009, Kahn has has four cracks at high lottery draft picks. Kahn hit a home run with Rubio, but has otherwise struck out the other three times up to this point. Those three strike outs include Jonny Flynn, Wes Johnson and Derrick Williams.

Flynn is currently out of the NBA, reportedly in Australia trying to revive his career after three forgettable seasons with the Timberwolves, Houston Rockets and Portland Trailblazers. He turned the ball over frequently, could not shoot for a scoring point guard and to top things off was a defensive liability. Flynn was picked ahead of guards Steph Curry and DeMar DeRozan, who both could have theoretically fit in with Love and Rubio. Johnson may not be far behind his Syracuse alum, as he is rotting at the end of the bench for the Phoenix Suns. Johnson was billed as a ready to contribute swingman coming out of Syracuse. But he didn't exhibit any consistent shooting in his two seasons in Minnesota (39/33/69 from the field, three point line and free throw line), nor much ball handling skills which is a problem as he was miscast as a shooting guard. Perimeter players drafted after Johnson include Gordon Hayward and Paul George. Williams has been inconsistent and unreliable in his young career, to the point that he may be on the trade block.

For franchises located in small markets like Oklahoma City and Minnesota that will have trouble attracting free agents, high lottery draft picks are a vital part in building a good team. They cannot afford to strike out so badly on high lottery draft picks. It's not that end all be all in building a good team, but it's pretty close. Some teams can get away with mistakes in the high lottery like the Memphis Grizzlies, but they prove to be the exception more than the rule. So here we are, with the Thunder owning the best record in the entire league in large part to their fortunes in the high lottery and the Timberwolves competing for a playoff spot because they couldn't even get average play out of their lottery draft selections under Kahn. Just keep that in mind that when you are watching Love gobble a rebound that results in a Rubio led fast break. Love and Rubio could have had Curry and George running with them tonight and in a deep playoff run.
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post #100 of 165
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Where's a bridge?
post #101 of 165
Ricky Rubio on prime time?................NICE. pimp.gif
post #102 of 165
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Going to the game tonight. pimp.gif
post #103 of 165
So Rubio is playing tonight?
post #104 of 165
Damn, Howard did his ACL? (And was subsequently waived)

T'Wolves can't catch a break this year with all these injuries.
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So Rubio is playing tonight?
Yes, and will be mic'd up for TNT.
post #105 of 165
YES. pimp.gifpimp.gif
post #106 of 165
Damn now we need a wing player. CDR anyone?
post #107 of 165
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I'd be cool with CDR... I just remember him having that nice second season in New Jersey. Not much positivity since then though. His Yahoo! picture makes him look like a chub. laugh.gif

Zgoda mentioned Michael Redd. Don't know what the hell that guys is up to, but I guess I'd be willing to take a flier.

GREAT. WIN. TONIGHT. smokin.gif
post #108 of 165
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SOURCE: Lazar Hayward will be in town tomorrow for a tryout with the #Twolves. More on http://1500espn.com in the morning.
post #109 of 165
mean.gif these injuries, this has to be a joke.

Howard waived and M Lee is done for the year according to Star Trib.

MN sports teams are one giant group injury with a couple healthy players mixed in sick.gif
post #110 of 165
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Darren Wolfson ‏@DarrenWolfson
Michael Finley is another guy who wants in with the #Twolves. Heck, a lot of guys do with the open roster spot. Very little shot on Finley.
post #111 of 165
It looks like Rick may have to experience Dwill at the 3 now only spot he can get PT, and let DC and Steisma play
post #112 of 165
James Anderson nerd.gif *kanye shrug*



NO LOVE TOMORROW! Staying here due to that eye injury.
post #113 of 165
Our bench is just:

JJ
Dwill
D.C.
Lou
Steisma

Chase, Lee, Roy mean.gif feel bad for the guy, and Rubio even though it's just back spasms. And some point minus Roy we need to get healthy and make a run for a playoff spot.

We need some d-leaguers or something:lol
post #114 of 165
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It was just important to get the win tonight... especially when our schedule the next 5 games consists of: @ UTA, @ DEN, POR, ATL, and then @ OKC. mean.gif

Too many missed gimmes. Shved and Kirilenko's chemistry is just unbelievable. Pek being a go-to option pimp.gif

Hopefully Rubio gets on the court versus the Jazz. Would be awful if this back spasm thing is more than being reported. What's the opposite of poetic justice?
post #115 of 165
Once Rubio is cleared to play full minutes, do you guys expect Shved to keep a starting spot or at least be the sixth man?
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post #116 of 165
At this rate I think the 2 spot belongs to Shved. Since Rubio is 6'4 and Shved is 6'6 is better than Luke and Rubio.

Starting: Rubio, Shved, AK47, Love, Pek
Bench: JJ, Luke, Chase, D.C., and Stesima

Shved and Rubio will be good because they play off one another and both penetrate for others.

Does anybody know when Chase will be back?
post #117 of 165
Welcome back Lazar...I guess laugh.gif

Why did we let Tolliver leave?
post #118 of 165
Getting worried about Rubio now. As well Love is out too tonight. And we need this game against Portland mean.gif
post #119 of 165
Yeah, I don't know about Rubes right now. Love needs to stay on the court too, though. This guy is killing me.

I just hope this season doesn't turn out to be a wash because they can't get healthy. Not acceptable. mean.gif
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post #120 of 165
Damn, Kevin Love re-fractured his hand. mean.gif
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