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post #31 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:30pm
Lol what?......and I'm still laughing that that columist just 10 monthes later called kobe the greatest player of the 2000s
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post #32 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:31pm
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Here is the difference between Kobe and all the other wack players mention like lebron and Paul pierce...... 5rings 81 points

See what I mean.

If rings are the measure of great you are as a player then....Robert Horry, Steve Kerr and KC Jones are top 10 all time players. If its scoring then Wilt is the undisputed GOAT and no one else is even close.

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Let's me ask you this Golden Child

Where does Kobe rank as All-Time SG?

Where does Kobe rank among all Players All-Time?

Kobe is the second best SG ever, no question about it.

But Jordan transcended the game and redefined that position. SG has not been the most important piece to a championship team since before or after Jordan.

He's not better than MJ (of course) but he's not better than players like Hakeem either, son is barely top 5 best Lakers players, much less top 5/10 all time player.

Elgin Baylor averaged almost 40 points and 20 rebounds and 5 assist in 1 season. Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Jerry West....

Hakeem won 2 chips as the undisputed leader of his team against tough comp and averaged 26 pts, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals....no flaws in dudes game.

Tim Duncan?

Kobe is top 15/20

But damn sure not top 5 like a lot of people make him out to be.
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post #33 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:31pm
Jesus.. I just realized it was a bleacher report article... Nothing like trying to make a point... And using Bleacher Report laugh.gif
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post #34 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:32pm

ill put it like this. Legacy wise, kobe has everyone beat currently and is not overrated in that sense but him being top 5 on some people's lists is wildly overrated. He's not better career wise than oscar,wilt,magic,micheal and kareem. everyone after that is debatable. As far as skillset and pure offensive talent , kobe is obviously second all time behind jordan without a shadow of a doubt due to him simply honing his entire offensive repertoire off the man(which is a smart thing in my book). If kobe racks up another scoring title,ring and mvp, he easily cracks top 5 and maybe top 3 if he becomes all time leader in points.The only problem is that he's at year 17 while a certain guy in miami is just getting started in his prime and another slender fellow in oklahoma didn't even reach his prime yet and already has 3 scoring titles under his belt. Shoud be interesting to see where this debate lands 10 years from now.

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post #35 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:34pm
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in shooting guards all time I rank the mamba at number 3 ( F@&$ D-wade) and all time players

All time players top 5

No way on earth is Kobe Bryant one the top 5 best players to play in the history of the NBA.....not possible.
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post #36 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:34pm
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laugh.gif This Bring Out the Kobe D-Riders

This starts with dudes that be slurpin Lebron. Dudes that were comparing him to Jordan before he even had his first mvp

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post #37 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:35pm
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Here is the difference between Kobe and all the other wack players mention like lebron and Paul pierce...... 5rings 81 points

I'm definitely a fan of Kobe, but man, response like this make me cringe. Please do better.

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post #38 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:37pm
So Kobe is ahead of Jerry West? The Logo pimp.gif
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post #39 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:38pm
^^^^ how can I say it any better please
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post #40 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:41pm
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^^^^ how can I say it any better please

david robinson scored 71 points before as well. 

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post #41 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:44pm
U can't bring up stats for abplayer like elgin baylor when they played in completely diffrent eras.....he had better stats then jordan too but that doesent make him a better player........if people don't think kobe is top 5 all time that's all fine and dandy but to say its not arguable is just silly...he's not arguably better then duncan? Hakeem? People can't argue that? There arent sports writers who's already made articles about him being top 3 let alone top 5?
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post #42 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:45pm
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post #43 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:48pm
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U can't bring up stats for abplayer like elgin baylor when they played in completely diffrent eras.....he had better stats then jordan too but that doesent make him a better player........if people don't think kobe is top 5 all time that's all fine and dandy but to say its not arguable is just silly...he's not arguably better then duncan? Hakeem? People can't argue that? There arent sports writers who's already made articles about him being top 3 let alone top 5?

so hes better than bird,magic,kareem,jordan and wilt?

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post #44 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:53pm
Duncan, Chamberlain, Russell, Abdul-Jabaar, Bird, Magic & Jordan. (Not named in a specific order)

Outside of those names, making a case for somebody who's had a career better than Kobe is tough.
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post #45 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:54pm
I'm not saying he is I'm not saying he isn't but u can't say u can't make an argument for it (besides jordan)...hell shaq and various other sports writers have called kobe the greatest laker ever, so its not like there arent people actively making arguments for it as we speak
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post #46 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:56pm
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^^^^ how can I say it any better please

david robinson scored 71 points before as well. 


Really 71 ??? 81 is more wtf
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post #47 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:57pm
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U can't bring up stats for abplayer like elgin baylor when they played in completely diffrent eras.....he had better stats then jordan too but that doesent make him a better player........if people don't think kobe is top 5 all time that's all fine and dandy but to say its not arguable is just silly...he's not arguably better then duncan? Hakeem? People can't argue that? There arent sports writers who's already made articles about him being top 3 let alone top 5?

And this is why I'm saying he's wildly overrated.

Son is not a smart or selfless player...he's an elite scorer and athlete.

He is not a better player than Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon...I'm not buying it.
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post #48 of 3803
11/22/12 at 12:58pm
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^^^^ how can I say it any better please

david robinson scored 71 points before as well. 


Really 71 ??? 81 is more wtf


81 is more than 71? My mind is blown laugh.gif
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post #49 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:02pm
Ok that's ur opinion but u can't say its not arguable for some of those players
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post #50 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:03pm
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^^^^ how can I say it any better please

Maybe use more than one game, and a team accomplishment. Thanks!

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post #51 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:03pm
And wait kobe isn't a smart player? And he's not just an elite scorer he may be the best scorer of all time
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post #52 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:03pm
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Do y'all watch this man play....do you not see him constantly chuck to the detriment of his team?

I've watched every season of Kobe's career since he came into the league and he's more or less been the same great chucker that he was when he came into the league.

In the span of his career, I've seen players just as talented if not moreso play against and alongside side him...Shaq, Iverson, McGrady, Duncan, LeBron, Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Kevin Durant, Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, etc..... individually Kobe is on the same level as these players IMO but they all played on bad and/or small market teams for the majority of their career.

Kobe has played with the most dominant player of our time and the best coach.....put Wade in that same position and people would be saying he's top 5 ever. Look what him and an old Shaq and Riley did. Him and Melo have almost identical numbers....put Melo off of a national title on a team with a prime Shaq and the Zen master...he wouldn't have multiple rings? Bron, Dirk, Pierce, Durant?

But if you objectively compare the pros and cons of Kobe's individual game and career...I can't put him over a player like Larry Legend or Hakeem the Dream.

I'm talking about as an individual player......yes he's played on great teams and had an epic career but dudes game is flawed due to his selfishness and decision making. Those flaws have been on display almost every night for over a decade but people overlook it because of his consistently great scoring and rings.

A career loaded with these moments.
Edited by goldenchild9 - 11/22/12 at 1:25pm
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post #53 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:11pm
Yea I do watch him play....do u see his team passing him the ball with 7 seconds left on the shot clock then just stand around watching?
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post #54 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:12pm
9 straight 40+ games
13 straight 35+ games
4 straight 50+ games
81 point game
12 3's in a game
Most points in MSG 61 points
Out scored Dallas 62 -61 in 3 quarters
55 points in a half

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post #55 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:12pm
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Do y'all watch this man play....do you not see him constantly chuck to the detriment of his team?

People who REALLY know basketball and didn't grow up on and 1 hero ball influenced basketball knows that kobe has a selective b-ball IQ meaning he is capable of playing selfless, solid, smart team basketball but then relapses and goes into hero ball mode and obliterates his shooting percentage and destroys team chemistry. Its a known fact. I hate to be the one but that guy in miami at an early age showcased all-around basketball intangibles to affect the game in so many ways and its coming to a head right now. But ,it doesn't matter, 5 rings and 81 points. laugh.gif

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post #56 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:14pm
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9 straight 40+ games
13 straight 35+ games
4 straight 50+ games
81 point game
12 3's in a game
Most points in MSG 61 points
Out scored Dallas 62 -61 in 3 quarters
55 points in a half
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points, points, points points, POINTS!!!! and flame me for what im about to say : iverson was a better scorer, not better player. 

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post #57 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:17pm
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Do y'all watch this man play....do you not see him constantly chuck to the detriment of his team?

To his defense, he's actually shooting about 53% from the field this year. He has a chance to shoot over 50% in a season for the first time in his career. happy.gif

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post #58 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:23pm
Long story short this thread and the fact that u had to make it proves that its at least arguable
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11/22/12 at 1:26pm
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9 straight 40+ games
13 straight 35+ games
4 straight 50+ games
81 point game
12 3's in a game
Most points in MSG 61 points
Out scored Dallas 62 -61 in 3 quarters
55 points in a half

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you cant show me a better resume than that. scoring wise.

cant count centers if your gonna try and mention Wilt..
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post #60 of 3803
11/22/12 at 1:32pm
Thank you to see he's just an "elite" scorer is nonsense....and don't pretend like he's not always leading his team in assists. ...I could fish for more stats but I'm on my phone and enjoying this nice thanksgiving feast smokin.gif
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