Breaking: Does New Photo Prove Trayvon Martin Killing Was Self-Defense?

CoupeIt88 said:
The Media, Music Industry, and Athletes have done a great job of whipping this case into a racial war. As far as it goes, Zimmerman is guilty already.
If anyone with common sense and complete objectivity would actually sit down and review the case, understand the details, and incorporate Florida law - they would see that Zimmerman has absolutely so chance of being convicted for second-degree murder. No way. It shouldn't even be a murder-case (involuntary manslaughter at best) , it's such a weak case. The media and public outcry pressured the state to charge him with second-degree murder.
The case could even easily get dismissed before the trial if a judge finds justifiable proof that it was self-defense (since Florida has very lenient self-defense laws).
This case is so weak from the prosecution's end of it and they know it. Don't make this about race, because race is the only reason why Zimmerman got convicted in the first place.
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The media did that?  No, I think Zimmerman did it when he singled out this black kid walking down the street with a hood on, and began to make assumptions.  I mean who breaks into a house at 7pm while everyone is wide awake.  Zimmerman's mind was clearly not in the right place, and he's a addy head; yea, okay self defense 
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.  Had it been a white kid I'm sure things would have been much different, and the aggression level of Zimmerman would have been much lower.  If the media and TV have done anything; it's taught people to fear black men.  I know every time I've gone up against something I fear my aggression level is much much higher then when it comes to a confrontation that I don't really fear at all.

Bottom line the evidence is Zimmerman followed this guy in his car.  Then got out of his car, and followed him on foot back behind some homes.  I don't see how you can possibly see that as self defense.  It's closer to stalking then lay and wait not self defense.  Going towards someone is not standing your ground.  He got out of his car and put himself in harms way when there was no immediate threat; even when he was told not to by a dispatcher.  Guilty as charged.

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cguy610 said:
stunnafasho03 said:
CoupeIt88 said:
The Media, Music Industry, and Athletes have done a great job of whipping this case into a racial war. As far as it goes, Zimmerman is guilty already.


If anyone with common sense and complete objectivity would actually sit down and review the case, understand the details, and incorporate Florida law - they would see that Zimmerman has absolutely so chance of being convicted for second-degree murder. No way. It shouldn't even be a murder-case (involuntary manslaughter at best) , it's such a weak case. The media and public outcry pressured the state to charge him with second-degree murder.


The case could even easily get dismissed before the trial if a judge finds justifiable proof that it was self-defense (since Florida has very lenient self-defense laws).


This case is so weak from the prosecution's end of it and they know it. Don't make this about race, because race is the only reason why Zimmerman got convicted in the first place.
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QFT...couldnt of said it better myself
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Involuntary manslaughter is a crime worthy of a trial. Zimmerman was arrested and charged, not convicted. My conclusion, both of you are idiots.
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You knew what the **** he meant..no reason to be a smartass *****
 
I dont think that Zimmerman went with the intentions of shooting martin. He was trying to be a hero, when in fact hes a loser and got in over his head. he should go to jail, but I dont think it should be 1st degree. But he should def get 15 or more years
 
This case isn't about race

You can switch races, and the person who confronted the young man would still be in the wrong.

Think about if you were walking home with a Arizona tea and some skittles and someone asked you what you were doing. What does it look like I'm doing? Well who are you? Why should I answer your questions? Get away from me. Don't touch me. That would be anyones reaction...white, black, brown, yellow, red, green.

Self defense can be used with reasonable force. Losing a fight to a 17 year old kid isn't grounds to shoot someone.

But again it is about race and stereotypes

If he were white would Zimmerman have confronted him? Most likely not, because Zimmerman would concluded he "belonged" in that neighborhood.

People demonizing the victim, who was INNOCENT. Let's not forget that, he did absolutely NOTHING wrong.
 
Magic1978 said:
This case isn't about race
You can switch races, and the person who confronted the young man would still be in the wrong.
Think about if you were walking home with a Arizona tea and some skittles and someone asked you what you were doing. What does it look like I'm doing? Well who are you? Why should I answer your questions? Get away from me. Don't touch me. That would be anyones reaction...white, black, brown, yellow, red, green.
Self defense can be used with reasonable force. Losing a fight to a 17 year old kid isn't grounds to shoot someone.
But again it is about race and stereotypes
If he were white would Zimmerman have confronted him? Most likely not, because Zimmerman would concluded he "belonged" in that neighborhood.
People demonizing the victim, who was INNOCENT. Let's not forget that, he did absolutely NOTHING wrong.
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If you switch races there would be no confrontation, no fight, and no murder.
 
So martin's death is part of some ploy, along with the batman shooting and possibly the chief's player(just adding this one since is in the media right now) to take away our 2nd amendment?

Seriously you need to log off that site and go do some meth instead, maybe your brain will be less harmed by the effects of drug use.

Ps. You also forgot to mention the teenager that got killed at the gas station up in Central Florida last week by a white man when they got into an argument over loud music.
 
RELLIRELOADED said:
Magic1978 said:
This case isn't about race
You can switch races, and the person who confronted the young man would still be in the wrong.
Think about if you were walking home with a Arizona tea and some skittles and someone asked you what you were doing. What does it look like I'm doing? Well who are you? Why should I answer your questions? Get away from me. Don't touch me. That would be anyones reaction...white, black, brown, yellow, red, green.
Self defense can be used with reasonable force. Losing a fight to a 17 year old kid isn't grounds to shoot someone.
But again it is about race and stereotypes
If he were white would Zimmerman have confronted him? Most likely not, because Zimmerman would concluded he "belonged" in that neighborhood.
People demonizing the victim, who was INNOCENT. Let's not forget that, he did absolutely NOTHING wrong.
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If you switch races there would be no confrontation, no fight, and no murder.
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But he said that though.  
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Well said, Magic1978.  Those are my thoughts exactly.  Zimmerman didn't think to himself "Hey, a black kid--I want to kill him".  And the fact that people actually believe that is sad, IMO.  But he most likely confronted Martin because of his race because like you said, he didn't "belong".

But someone not belonging somewhere based on a personal opinion isn't free reign to confront and harass someone.  Call the authorities if you think something is shady and let them handle it.  That's THIER job....not the neighborhood watch guy.  And I call it harassment because the kid DID belong there--he had every right to be walking in that neighborhood wearing a hoodie.  And when someone has a right to be somewhere and gets questioned about why they're there, well, that's harassment.  

This whole incident could've been avoided if Zimmerman would've just followed the dispatcher's instructions.  Regardless of how the physical altercation began, this entire incident was sparked by the actions of George Zimmerman.  Trayvon Martin, in my opinion, had a right to be sketchy about the strange man following him.  And if he felt sketchy about Zimmerman, I can see how that would lead to some sort of physical altercation if the guy following you persists.  If Martin did indeed confront Zimmerman was that right?  I can't say yes or no because I can't say for sure how fearful for his life Martin felt.  But the bottom line is that you can't harass an innocent person and then be surprised if they lash back at you.  In 2012, you can't follow a stranger and then expect them to just go along with what you're doing.  And the clincher is that doing so WASN'T ZIMMERMAN'S JOB AND HE WAS TOLD TO JUST LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT.  Why?  To avoid situations like this!!!!  9 times out of 10, a person will stop when told to stop by a uniformed police officer.  A stranger?  On a dark, rainy night?  Naw, I'm good on all that.  

Zimmerman didn't seek out Trayvon Martin to kill.  But Zimmerman's actions led to an incident that led to the kid's death.  He needs to be held responsible for that.   
 
LA-CA said:
I lost all little respect I had for you Zyzz. Sure you dnt care, but thought I'd let you knw.
I'd rather get the breaks beating off of me, before I'd ever consider taking a life. I know Trayvon wasn't a angel, but I doubt he would've killed Zimmerman. But then again it's 2012 the land of the scarey cats that shoot before they take a beating.
As for the pics, like Pig Love said we werent there, so for all we know he injured himself before authorities arrived. So this proves nothing.
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 @ ppl claiming self defense for Zimmerman. Only person that can claim self defense is Trayvon. 
 
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Racism is still very much alive.. not sure what happens to this Zimmerman guy but what a day it will be when this happens again and the races are switched :lol:

Black Guy: hey this white kid looks suspicious..

White kid: hey why are you following me?

Black Guy: what are you doing in this neighborhood?

White Kid: umm mind your business you creep.. *walks away*

Black Guy: Hey get back here! *chases him*

*Scuffle ensues and then the black guy shoots the white kid in the back*

Black guy to police.."oh this kid was out looking for trouble" :rolleyes

trust me if Zimmerman were black and if this were a white kid who was killed there wouldn't even be a question on his intent.. all the people supporting Zimmerman would call for his head if he were black and thought a white kid roaming around his neighborhood was suspicious. The bias some people hold in this case is so transparent that it just makes you laugh and wonder how it would be if it were switched around :lol:
 
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So for those who think that trayvon started and finished the fight,

why do you think he was screaming for help?

And while screaming for help do you think he was beating zimmerman up
 
For anyone defending Zimmerman, how can he claim self defense when Trayvon RAN AWAY FROM HIM BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN STARTED! He went looking for trouble and he found it, there was no need to shoot Trayvon and this is not self defense. 
 
According to voice recognition done by a reporter its not they took zimmermans voice and compared it to the many police calls he made.

and trayvon moms says it him.



But they are bias, so who knows, sound like a lil kid to me.
 
nom de guerre said:
Racism is still very much alive.. not sure what happens to this Zimmerman guy but what a day it will be when this happens again and the races are switched :lol:
Black Guy: hey this white kid looks suspicious..
White kid: hey why are you following me?
Black Guy: what are you doing in this neighborhood?
White Kid: umm mind your business you creep.. *walks away*
Black Guy: Hey get back here! *chases him*
*Scuffle ensues and then the black guy shoots the white kid in the back*
Black guy to police.."oh this kid was out looking for trouble" :rolleyes
trust me if Zimmerman were black and if this were a white kid who was killed there wouldn't even be a question on his intent.. all the people supporting Zimmerman would call for his head if he were black and thought a white kid roaming around his neighborhood was suspicious. The bias some people hold in this case is so transparent that it just makes you laugh and wonder how it would be if it were switched around :lol:
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I want to see a case of this occurring. :lol:

Well officer there was a suspicious looking white guy and he looked like he was up to trouble so I followed him. They've been breaking in to houses in the neighborhood.

And the white guy smoked weed and was suspended from school, so he deserved to die. He might not have done anything wrong that night, but it was only a matter of time anyway....

I want to live in THAT country.
 
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:lol: @ "voice recognition done by a reporter".

We don't know who's voice it is yet, so please stop.

And his mom saying its his voice means just as much as GZs dad saying it was his sons.
 
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Have a good weekend y'all, I'm gonna be buried in work until Friday, this was my only day off and had to do some work this afternoon. 
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Picture is really worth a thousand words.
 
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Nobody in this thread has been to a trail. If you have please stand up?

Most of the stuff in this thread is regurgitation of what the media has filtered out. If you take what the media has to say as to truth, best get ready cause we are all set to die on Jordan XI release date.

The only truth I can see come out is that the prosecution refused to release the new photos. They have had them before Zimmerman's prosecution was even hired. They held the photos and let the public convict him already. Makes their job easier.
 
thenewjs23 said:
Nobody in this thread has been to a trail. If you have please stand up?
Most of the stuff in this thread is regurgitation of what the media has filtered out. If you take what the media has to say as to truth, best get ready cause we are all set to die on Jordan XI release date.
The only truth I can see come out is that the prosecution refused to release the new photos. They have had them before Zimmerman's prosecution was even hired. They held the photos and let the public convict him already. Makes their job easier.
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90% of a trial is filler.  A waste of time. 

It boils down to two points when it comes to a jury.  The state of mind of the defendant and could the defendant have done something; anything to avoid the confrontation.

In this case he created the confrontation
 
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As an attorney, all of you are talking out of your ***. None of you can say if Zimmerman is guilty or not, all the evidence hasn't even been presented and the trial hasn't even started yet.
 
LA-CA said:
Zyzz said:
what? how do/can you possibly know when someone will stop beating on you? once someone starts beating you down they could be crazy and not stop til your dead brah.
you never know these days, if someone is on top of you beating your face in and smashing your head into the ground and your gonna sit there til you die then thats on you.
im not talking about a kid, id kill anyone if they were threatening my life. do i want to kill someone? no never in my life, but if my life is in danger you better believe im pulling that trigger if it helps me see the next day.
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If I weren't the aggressor and Trayvon approached me it'll be different. But I approached him, and 9 times outta 10 the retaliator isn't going for blood. That why you heard reports of him screaming for help, before he was shot.

In this case, yes. If I approached a kid and got my ***whipped, I'd def take the L. Those injuries, self inflicted or not, aren't critical or life threatening enough for me to pull a trigger. You make it sound as if Zimmerman was facing a MMA fighter, or had a fractured skull or broken bones, or a sign that showed Trayvon was going to end his life. Your gonna need more then flesh wounds then that.

Good law enforcement didnt let Zimmerman become an officer, or he'd be pulling the trigger on every criminal he felt threatened by. You guys outta take some criminal justice courses cuz your knowledge of the law/criminal behavior/justice system is all twisted.
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Very solid points.

At the end of the day America doesn't have much value for the life of a black person. We're generalized half the time and seen as animals. So when we're falsely imprisoned, falsely executed on death row, falsely profiled, murdered, more 30% more then other citizens, nobody cares. Blacks rarely make media when it comes to murders, unless their the perp. But once every 5 years or so when we do get media coverage over a black person being killed, mostly by the hands of another race, theirs always much reasoning and debating behind it. Many reach, instead of seeing facts.

Maybe one day our life will be as preciously valuable as other races...
 
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