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Goku does not need Kaio Ken x ssb against Vegeta. He only needed it against Hit because the dude decided to increase his time skip. Sheesh. Lol

Again show me in the fight with copy vegeta where goku had the upper hand? Or show me anywhere post whis training where goku and vegeta sparred together where goku was clearly better. Nothing post golden freiza aside from the kaioken puts goku ahead of vegeta or vice versa. Super routinely shows goku and vegeta sparring both in base and in SSB we've seen goku and copy vegeta fight. I've got no problem admitting goku is stronger. You're just gonna need more than " goku has always been stronger" or statements that Were made when neither of them where at their peak to prove it.
 
Lol you know Goku has a problem with taking fights seriously right. I need to watch the copy Vegeta fight again but at no point did I get the sense that Goku was trying all that hard.
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Lol watched the fight. I don't see how they are even based on what I ran back. First of all, Goku won the fight. Second of all, Goku wasn't even going all out until the last minute. It seemed like Goku was testing Vegeta's strength at first. To Vegeta's credit, he did surprise Goku.
 
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Lol you know Goku has a problem with taking fights seriously right. I need to watch the copy Vegeta fight again but at no point did I get the sense that Goku was trying all that hard.
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Lol watched the fight. I don't see how they are even based on what I ran back. First of all, Goku won the fight. Second of all, Goku wasn't even going all out until the last minute. It seemed like Goku was testing Vegeta's strength at first. To Vegeta's credit, he did surprise Goku.

You're gonna need more than what it "seems" to you to prove that goku wasn't trying. What evidence do you have that he wasn't trying?
 
What evidence do you have that he was? Goku has a history of taking it easy and starting slow in fights. Don't deny this. :lol:

And are you completely going to ignore that in the end he won the fight against copy Vegeta?
 
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What evidence do you have that he was? Goku has a history of taking it easy and starting slow in fights. Don't deny this. :lol:

And are you completely going to ignore that in the end he won the fight against copy Vegeta?

My proof is that they went blow for blow The entire right. Nothing suggest in this fight suggests that goku was holding back. He straight up says after vegetas barrage that if it continued he'd be in trouble. Straight up says "I want to wind and I don't want to die". Sounds like words of a guy Holding back?
 
The burden of proof is on you to prove that exactly what we saw isn't what was actually happening. Especially since goku didn't say that he was holding back (like he always makes known)
 
frenchbreadbuilds frenchbreadbuilds you keep talking about "proof"....but you haven't produced any proof to dispel what Whis said about Vegeta always being a step behind Goku cause he was too uptight.

You posting some battles where Vegeta was clearly stronger than his opponent after that wouldn't matter much. Right now...we have Whis word against what you THINK Vegeta is.

Point is, Vegeta is a "step behind Goku" until proven otherwise.
 
frenchbreadbuilds frenchbreadbuilds you keep talking about "proof"....but you haven't produced any proof to dispel what Whis said about Vegeta always being a step behind Goku cause he was too uptight.

You posting some battles where Vegeta was clearly stronger than his opponent after that wouldn't matter much. Right now...we have Whis word against what you THINK Vegeta is.

Point is, Vegeta is a "step behind Goku" until proven otherwise.

Proof is in the fight with copy vegeta. Watch the fight. It shows goku and vegeta going toe to toe blow for blow. Literally gave me a flash back of Majin vegeta vs ss2 goku. How is that not fighting equally? How does that not show vegeta isn't a step behind? If that isn't the case and goku was holding back (Which he didn't make apparent) the burden of proof is on you to prove that goku was holding back. Which is the only way to prove that they weren't equal.
 
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I swear I haven't seen an argument like this since someone came into here arguing that kid Buu was stronger than super buu
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That one always perplexes me.
 
I really don't mind that actually. Vegeta and Goku has become the 2 main characters in Super. At this point, i just wanna know who Black goku really is :lol:
 
At the end of the day, we're really over thinking this. Who won the fight between Goku and copy Vegeta?

*waits for the answer
 
I really don't mind that actually. Vegeta and Goku has become the 2 main characters in Super. At this point, i just wanna know who Black goku really is :lol:

it's probably that one kai who doesn't like humans...

i don't know if he fused with Goku (he couldn't have because during that timeline Goku and them were already dead) but i noticed he only had one earring.

doesn't that make you fuse permanently or something?

someone correct me please!
 
it's probably that one kai who doesn't like humans...

i don't know if he fused with Goku (he couldn't have because during that timeline Goku and them were already dead) but i noticed he only had one earring.

doesn't that make you fuse permanently or something?

someone correct me please!

Well it's probably Zamasu but i feel like there's more to it.
 
At the end of the day, we're really over thinking this. Who won the fight between Goku and copy Vegeta?

*waits for the answer

If that's your response you must have not seen the whole fight. Copy vegeta didn't lose because he was bested by goku. If that's what we're gonna go with than monaka is stronger than copy vegeta
 
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