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CNN’s Don Lemon on Gun Control: Should We Start Profiling White Men?

Real Clear Politics, December 23, 2012

 

CNN’s Don Lemon discusses the possibility of profiling white men in an attempt to prevent gun violence and decrease the amount of mass shootings. Lemon argues that white males between the ages of 18 and 25 were behind nearly all recent mass killings.

 

 

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YUP
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LMAO @ MJ with da halo
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I'm not saying we should racially profile white guys.
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Was waiting for this convo to pop up and all of the inevitable jimmie rustling that will take place because of it....
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post #6 of 139
there aren't many white people on here anymore, though
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laugh.gif somebodys gonna come in here all like
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They like to shoot up schools and kill their families cause they lost their job and cant pay the mortgage. Profile them, like how they profile every negro with a hoody
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They like to shoot up schools and kill their families cause they lost their job and cant pay the mortgage. Profile them, like how they profile every negro with a hoody
post #10 of 139
That would be a good question to explore.
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What homeboy was saying is the truth.
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I'm finally glad someone hinted at the idea of actually doing what is normally done when something tragic happens in this country.It should of been suggested years ago,right after the Oklahoma bombing,which alot of American's like to look-over,when it comes to talking about terrorism.While some are made to beleive that we'er in a war with muslim's,arab's and certain group's that despises the very basic principles that this country stands on,FREEDOM!.That's the furthest from the truth,did it every occur to anyone that if some group is mad at AMERICA,it's probably do to what has been done to them by American because you can go back in history and even up to this present day,where we've embedded our influence,willingly or unwillingly in other countries for our own personal gain.
That's another subject at hand but while we'er searching for the evil's that has been done to our nation,we have pockets of cancers that are rapidly growing here that we don't take care of and at times that cancer kills.

The media,experts,sociologist,..ect,have tried to put the blame off on something,someone and intentionally avoided talking about the real problem and that is white males between a certain age group and their propensity for acts of mass violence .
Should we start profile white males of a certain age?Yes we should,why not?we profile everyone else,as wrong as some like to proclaim it to be,it still happens and people turn a blind eye to it.I dare someone to say," Profiling is wrong" because it wasn't wrong when black male's in NewYork were subjected to the "stop and frisk" rule,which clearly violated people's civil-rights but they didn't care,they wanted to do something, to make it look like they were trying to curve the rising violence.

I'm not saying that the authorities should just stake-out white males nor Rodney King anyone but they should set a standard of certain behaviors,characteristics and activitys that will alert them to certain white individual's that maybe up to no good.
A great place to start is with those people that fall under the lable of "Doomsday preppers",I see more red-flag with some of them than I do at a sport's event.Let's not forget that the Newtown School shooter's mother was said to be one of those "Doomsday preppers" that's the reason why the shooter had access to the gun's he used in the shooting.

I'm not holding my breath for something this to happen,it probably won't but I appreciate and applaud anyone who has the balls to suggest such a thing television,period because it might just save some live's and at this point it's a better suggestion than what the spokes person for the NRA had to say,what some representives has suggested;video games.music.movies.
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They like to shoot up schools and kill their families cause they lost their job and cant pay the mortgage. Profile them, like how they profile every negro with a hoody

I hate to be cliché, but two wrongs don't make a right. 

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Profiling works.
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If the gun is legal profiling won't help. Can't keep a spy on every white teen who owns a gun because everything is legal until he starts going on a rampage.
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I would love to hear someone dispute this.
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If the gun is legal profiling won't help. Can't keep a spy on every white teen who owns a gun because everything is legal until he starts going on a rampage.

walking down the street is legal too, doesnt stop people from getting searched/harassed
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I posted an article like this in the Sandy Hook thread, but like 90+% of school shootings have been committed by young, white males from suburban areas. It can't be mere coincidence. I'll look for the article.

edit: Not the one I was looking before but this was a good one as well

http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-shooting-white-males-and-mass-murder

author is a white male btw
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Connecticut shooting, white males, and mass murder

Connecticut School Shooting
December 14, 2012
By: William Hamby

Why is this happening? The answer might hinge on who's doing it.


It's a tragedy. One of the worst in American history. Twenty-six people dead, including twenty children. Dozens more children who will live their lives with the terrible memory. Tens of thousands of parents who will wonder quietly whether it might one day happen to their child. A community in utter shock and disbelief. For the family and community members directly affected by this tragedy, it is their day to grieve. For the millions of Americans that have been affected by gun death, today may be a day to relive grief and loss. For the rest of us, we can take today to think critically about the problem of mass shootings to try to come up with a solution. This is how we who are not directly affected can honor the dead. In this spirit, I will offer one perspective which may help explain why these things are happening.

Through history, there have been a lot of suggestions as to the cause of mass shootings. In the 60s, it was the permissive culture. In subsequent decades, it's been the teaching of evolution, working mothers, birth control pills, and "evangelical jockocracies." The interesting thing about all of these suggestions is that they may point indirectly at a much more plausible explanation. To begin with, we must ask who is offering these explanations in the first place. Overwhelmingly, the answer is white males. Most likely not coincidental is the fact that since 1982, one very specific type of mass shootings has been almost entirely perpetrated by white males.

Rachel Kalish and Michael Kimmel (2010) proposed a mechanism that might well explain why white males are routinely going crazy and killing people. It's called "aggrieved entitlement." According to the authors, it is "a gendered emotion, a fusion of that humiliating loss of manhood and the moral obligation and entitlement to get it back. And its gender is masculine." This feeling was clearly articulated by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the perpetrators of the Columbine Massacre. Harris said, "People constantly make fun of my face, my hair, my shirts..." A group of girls asked him, "Why are you doing this?" He replied, "We've always wanted to do this. This is payback... This is for all the sh*t you put us through. This is what you deserve."

At the risk of getting too existentialist, I'd like to propose a very simple and elegant explanation for not only school shootings but a host of other barbaric acts in recent years: White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement. One need only look at the 2012 election season to see less brutal but equally mind-numbing examples of white men going mad because they are losing their power. The "Republican Meltdown" is a perfect example of men who previously had all the control escalating to madness when that control was lost.

Until the 1980s, when semi-random spree murders "inexplicably" became the province of young white men, there was no need for young white men to resort to this kind of thing. Whatever happened in society, they would be the winners. These days, it's still not the worst thing to be a white male -- not by a long shot -- but it's not nearly as cushy as it used to be. Women's rights have grown by leaps and bounds in the last 30 years. Marriage has become more advantageous to women than men since no-fault divorce and custody policy favoring women have become the norm. We have... (gasp)... a black president. If someone grew up indoctrinated into the God and Country of the White Man, it's easy to understand how regardless of personal circumstance, feelings of entitlement and superiority could already be on shaky ground. One need only look up any of the hundreds of "Men's Rights Movement" websites, which are often thinly veiled hate groups, to see examples of (usually white) men who seem to be feeling very emasculated and powerless.

I want to say this next bit very carefully. It is absolutely true that white men have lost a lot of power in the last few decades. Inasmuch as these shooters are angry about feelings of powerlessness, their feelings are at least understandable. However, white men needed to lose a lot of power. Without exaggerating, one could say that a history of America is a history of white men lording power over... pretty much anyone who wasn't a white man. If America was ever going to truly be a land of equality, white men needed to lose their power.

The thing is, losing power hurts. That's the "aggrieve" part of aggrieved entitlement. It's one thing for a bunch of white men to feel hurt because they are no longer the kings of their own private castles, rulers of all they survey. It's another thing for them to feel like they're entitled to power, and more importantly, entitled to punish others for taking it away. And that -- aggrievement plus the feeling of entitlement -- is what may well drive people like Adam Lanza to these horrific crimes.

There's another point of commonality for many -- perhaps most -- of these crimes. Most of the perpetrators end up dead. Many kill themselves at the end of the spree, while others commit what is known as "suicide by cop," forcing police to shoot them rather than submit to arrest. This tendency is consistent with aggrieved entitlement. Masculinity, for many white men, is identical to sense of self. To be a man is literally the same as being masculine. This is particularly true of men in strongly Conservative Christian areas where homosexuality and femininity are equated. For some of these men, to be stripped of masculinity is to be redefined as nothing worthwhile. When someone feels like nothing, suicide often feels like a reasonable option. For someone who's really, really mad about feeling like nothing, taking revenge first may add a bit of satisfaction and righteous vengeance.

Speaking of strongly Conservative Christian areas, it's probably not a coincidence that almost all shootings of this nature happen in rural communities. Today's shooting is no exception. In America, conservative religiosity is most prevalent in rural areas. I think it's important to at least entertain the idea that strongly conservative religious communities which indoctrinate young white men into male superiority are breeding grounds for these kinds of criminals. The Conservative Christian model of masculinity and male power is simply not the reality of how America works today. Pretending that it's so is just setting males up for disappointment. And feelings of emasculation. And aggrievement. And... entitlement to revenge.

There are, of course, other perspectives. Already, the internet is abuzz with reports that the shooter may have been mentally ill. We know that previous shooters have had mental health issues, sometimes very serious. We have been tempted in the past to suggest that insufficient mental health care is the real solution to the problem of mass shootings. Certainly, it might be part of the solution, but ascribing these killings to mental illness isn't sufficient. People in all demographics have mental health problems. Why is it nearly always a white man going on a shooting spree? Why do all the white men have such similar profiles? Why do they live in small towns? These are questions that demand answers, and aggrieved entitlement plausibly answers them all.

To be sure, there have been mass murders committed by people of all races throughout history, and not every mass murder since 1980 has been committed by a young white male. However, this one subset, which centers around schools, has enough unique characteristics that it seems to demand its own answer.

What if my hypothesis is correct? What if the main reason these shootings keep occurring is that white men aren't handling equality very well? There aren't, I believe, any easy answers. Even so, we can take this perspective with us, and we can work to think of ways to help young white males grow up in a society where the expectation of privilege is never indoctrinated. We can teach them early in life how to cope with rejection. We can realize that pointing fingers and blaming others might feel good in the short term, but in the long term, only working towards positive solutions will really help. And yes, we can absolutely continue to advocate for better mental healthcare. Finally, I think we need to be brave enough to have conversations like this one. We need to admit the possibility that by perpetuating the lie of white male superiority despite strong societal and scientific pressure to change, we may have created our own monster.

Source: Kalish, R., & Kimmel, M. (2010). Suicide by mass murder: Masculinity, aggrieved entitlement, and rampage school shootings. Health Sociology Review, 19(4), 451-464.

Edited by Fantastic4our - 12/27/12 at 7:58pm
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I posted an article like this in the Sandy Hook thread, but like 90+% of school shootings have been committed by young, white males from suburban areas. It can't be mere coincidence. I'll look for the article.
edit: Not the one I was looking before but this was a good one as well
http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-shooting-white-males-and-mass-murder
author is a white male btw

Makes sooooooo much sense.
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Only a fool would deny racial profiling exists and is unjust to any man or woman. People should be calling for an end to it and not for more of it.

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. -Thomas Jefferson
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walking down the street is legal too, doesnt stop people from getting searched/harassed

When blacks and Hispanics got stopped and frisked, they are thrown n jail for drugs

So what are these white teens going to be searched for? A legal gun? Frisking doesnt do anything

Only thing possible is I could see online monitoring. Try to find them talking about going on a mass spree and bragging on a forum
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my popcorn is ready.

batten down your jimmies.

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They like to shoot up schools and kill their families cause they lost their job and cant pay the mortgage. Profile them, like how they profile every negro with a hoody

Co-signing this 100%.
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They like to shoot up schools and kill their families cause they lost their job and cant pay the mortgage. Profile them, like how they profile every negro with a hoody

I'm so down with this
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Personally, and I know that it would not happen, but I think that Black people and other minority groups, along with Jews, should get together, then start our own NRA. 

 

I guarantee that there would be a big shift with gun laws, if this were to happen.

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Personally, and I know that it would not happen, but I think that Black people and other minority groups, along with Jews, should get together, then start our own NRA. 

I guarantee that there would be a big shift with gun laws, if this were to happen.

"along with the Jews"

So they got you fooled too, huh?
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Only a fool would deny racial profiling exists and is unjust to any man or woman. People should be calling for an end to it and not for more of it.

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. -Thomas Jefferson


THIS x 1000


Cant people see the media is using this issue to turn people against each other and further restrict our rights mean.gif I swear... sometimes it seems people would rather work toward making someone else's life worse than trying to improve their own situation.



Profiling as a whole needs to be stopped... Taking the vindictive side of "well... Im getting profiled already so everyone else should be profiled be too" is only going to make it more acceptable/easier for minority's to be profiled and abused by the system.
I feel like alot of you are talking purely out of spite rather than really trying to improve this issue as a whole.
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Surprised he is "allowed" to even say something like that.
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