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Best thing for us to do this draft: TRADE DOWN

 

This team has way too many holes and nobody stands out in this draft.


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post #62 of 1342
Of course we have the #3 pick the one year it'll be tough to trade down while gaining and not losing value

We may have to drop back into the late teens and only pick up a 5/7, 6/7 in the process
post #63 of 1342
Of course we have the #3 pick the one year it'll be tough to trade down while gaining and not losing value

We may have to drop back into the late teens and only pick up a 5/7, 6/7 in the process
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nobody stands out in this draft.

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As much as trading down makes sense for the state of the team, what the **** are we going to trade down for? I keep hearing people say trade down but they won't specify what they want to trade down for. Take Jarvis/Manti and let's get this **** rolling.
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post #67 of 1342
Trade down for DL, OL, DE and CB parts. Not all of which may be addressed through the draft, but it'll definitely be the cheapest and quickest way to take chances at those parts.
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As much as trading down makes sense for the state of the team, what the **** are we going to trade down for? I keep hearing people say trade down but they won't specify what they want to trade down for. Take Jarvis/Manti and let's get this **** rolling.

 

Jarvis? That dude is too small, we need guys who can stop the run. And to take Manti, as good as he may be, a MLB as the 3rd overall pick? No thanks.

 

You trade down for more picks to build depth. Something this team has nothing of.

 

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Ok laugh.gif

As much as trading down makes sense for the state of the team, what the **** are we going to trade down for? I keep hearing people say trade down but they won't specify what they want to trade down for. Take Jarvis/Manti and let's get this **** rolling.

Jarvis? That dude is too small, we need guys who can stop the run. And to take Manti, as good as he may be, a MLB as the 3rd overall pick? No thanks.

You trade down for more picks to build depth. Something this team has nothing of.

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The team needs depth but how many players start on that defense that wouldn't start on 95% of other NFL teams? Even the ones that would start(outside of Houston/Wheeler/Burris/Branch) would of been benched for their piss poor play. Seymour and Kelly really don't give a **** anymore, their backup had more sacks than both of them combined.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/03/raiders-chargers-brawl-entire-section-arrested/1808245/
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Just read this article in GQ. Thought someone may enjoy it lol.

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when the hell are the raiders gonna win the superbowl.....it is a different team every year anyway.....have to be their turn soon.......or what ? ......smile.gif

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Of course we have the #3 pick the one year it'll be tough to trade down while gaining and not losing value

We may have to drop back into the late teens and only pick up a 5/7, 6/7 in the process

This is absurd. A pick in the late teens + a 6 & 7 (or 5&7)? A third overall pick is worth far more than this, even in a draft that doesnt appear to be incredibly top heavy.
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This is absurd. A pick in the late teens + a 6 & 7 (or 5&7)? A third overall pick is worth far more than this, even in a draft that doesnt appear to be incredibly top heavy.

It's not that absurd.

Of course this is all pre-combine talk, if Geno gets locked in @ 1 to Reid, it helps the Raiders out tremendously in terms of trading down. Teams will be willing to jump if that missing piece is there.

You are not going to see a Redskins/STL trade though

I'd be ecstatic trading into the teens and picking up a 2nd rounder (which we dont have this year), but unless someone blows up at the combine, that isn't happening.

1/5/7 or a 1/4/7 for #3 is very realistic
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This is absurd. A pick in the late teens + a 6 & 7 (or 5&7)? A third overall pick is worth far more than this, even in a draft that doesnt appear to be incredibly top heavy.

It's not that absurd.

Of course this is all pre-combine talk, if Geno gets locked in @ 1 to Reid, it helps the Raiders out tremendously in terms of trading down. Teams will be willing to jump if that missing piece is there.

You are not going to see a Redskins/STL trade though

I'd be ecstatic trading into the teens and picking up a 2nd rounder (which we dont have this year), but unless someone blows up at the combine, that isn't happening.

1/5/7 or a 1/4/7 for #3 is very realistic

Well if a 1/5/7 is all it would take for the #3 pick, I hope you make the call across the bay. There have been many studies and reports that quantify how much specific draft pick spots are worth, and the Raiders accepting a late 1/5/7 for the #3 pick would be basically giving the pick away (according to said studies/reports).

Hey bro, this is your thread and not mine. If you would be happy with that trade, I would be happy for you.
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When was last time we made a deal with team across the bay? These team never make deals
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When was last time we made a deal with team across the bay? These team never make deals

True, but if a 1/5/7 is all its gonna take, I dont see why the Raiders wouldnt make the call. Seeing as how was have 14 picks in this upcoming draft, we could really help each other out. We could blow that potential package out of the water.
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A 1/5/7 is not going to do it.
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I understand that it could help each other out but the chances of it happening are slim. Cross town teams overall rarely make deals with each other
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post #80 of 1342
We should get 1/3/5 or 6. Don't know if the Chiefs draft a QB I doubt the Jags do since they will most likely get Tebow.

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A 1/5/7 is not going to do it.

I dont think its even close to enough either.....which is what sparked this conversation on the previous page. I said a 1/5/7 for the #3 pick was an absurd idea, and I stand by it.
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The #3 pick for a 1/2/3 is ideal, I feel.
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The #3 pick for a 1/2/3 is ideal, I feel.

Agreed. My original post in here included Alex Smith with that 1/2/3, but I didnt know that Palmer was guaranteed. Even still, I would have no problem trading said 1/2/3 to you guys for your #3.

I know its not going to happen though unfortunately.
post #84 of 1342
I wonder what kind of schemes Norv could run for McFadden here. He doesn't have the same kind of speed LT did, but he's just as powerful (if not more) through tackles and has the hands for plays that call for screen passes.

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The #3 pick for a 1/2/3 is ideal, I feel.

Agreed. My original post in here included Alex Smith with that 1/2/3, but I didnt know that Palmer was guaranteed. Even still, I would have no problem trading said 1/2/3 to you guys for your #3.

I know its not going to happen though unfortunately.

I'm all for partnership for the improvement of the team with any team outside of the division. If the Niners came to us and offered that for our pick, I would say yes. I think even Reggie would, too. But Mark is Al Davis' son, and I think most of us here are aware of Mark's sentimentality for the team. His pride may not be as hardened as Al's, but I could envision Mark throwing some wrinkles into Reggie's plan if he felt it impugned the reputation/pride of the organization.

Of course, talk of trading picks begins now, but I think Reggie is a smart guy. He'll hold onto the pick as late as possible, let the combine play out and see what his options are. If someone distinguishes themselves as a can't-miss, I doubt Reggie gives up our pick unless a team blows him away with a huge offer. Which I'm sure is exactly what he's hoping for.
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If not Norv then I don't see why we can't give the OC title back to Al Saunders. He is still with the team
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I miss Jason Campbell.

And I miss having a good offense.
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The team needs depth but how many players start on that defense that wouldn't start on 95% of other NFL teams? Even the ones that would start(outside of Houston/Wheeler/Burris/Branch) would of been benched for their piss poor play. Seymour and Kelly really don't give a **** anymore, their backup had more sacks than both of them combined.

 

This team has botched their top picks for years. Jarvis is not the answer. We need somebody who can stop the run, not another small outside linebacker. I don't I like the idea of drafting Lotulelei since he's from the pac12. I don't like the idea of taking Manti third overall either.

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The team needs depth but how many players start on that defense that wouldn't start on 95% of other NFL teams? Even the ones that would start(outside of Houston/Wheeler/Burris/Branch) would of been benched for their piss poor play. Seymour and Kelly really don't give a **** anymore, their backup had more sacks than both of them combined.

This team has botched their top picks for years. Jarvis is not the answer. We need somebody who can stop the run, not another small outside linebacker. I don't I like the idea of drafting Lotulelei since he's from the pac12. I don't like the idea of taking Manti third overall either.

That's your opinion I guess, yeah we need someone who can stop the run but we also need someone who can get to the Quarterback, especially since we don't have cornerbacks that can cover for ****. I agree we've been ******g up our first round picks terribly these past few years, outside of McFadden. I won't really put McClain on us because he was actually supposed to be the best MLB in that draft. Same **** with Jamarcus, though I didn't want the team to draft him regardless. Darrius ain't terrible but I REALLY wanted Hakeem Nicks in that draft.
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If not Norv then I don't see why we can't give the OC title back to Al Saunders. He is still with the team

Even though Saunders wasn't a playcaller when Hue was here, he was still a big part of a top 10 offense in the league. I don't mind giving him a shot at all.
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