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I still can't believe Alexander was compared to Mayweather a few years ago.
Based on what?
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I still can't believe Alexander was compared to Mayweather a few years ago.
Based on what?

I think most of them were because they're both African American, from the mid-west, and same weight class. At least I hope so, otherwise I don't have much faith in mankind. laugh.gif
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So Floyd Mayweather vs Devon Alexander is close to being made for May 4 PPV LOL WHAT?

As started by Floyd Mayweather twitter account Horrible Match up especially a PPV event WTF
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So Floyd Mayweather vs Devon Alexander is close to being made for May 4 PPV LOL WHAT?

As started by Floyd Mayweather twitter account Horrible Match up especially a PPV event WTF

Has to be fake. Floyd is just attention whoring and trolling.
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I will have lost about 95% of my respect towards Floyd if he fights Devon Alexander...

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post #216 of 2208
I bet it's really going to be Marquez
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If he's fighting Alexander, I am gonna lose a lot of respect for Floyd.

And if any of you were wondering what Victor Ortiz has been up to:
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Man if he fights Devon...
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post #219 of 2208
It might be Bradley, but just calling him devon. *shrugs
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Doesn't make it better if he's fighting Bradley.
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Doesn't make it better if he's fighting Bradley.

 

 

that would be so easy to sell a fight with him then Devon or hell even Robert Guerrero. Bradley has a name to sell because of the pacman fight, he also has a belt and a 0 on his record(right or wrong)

 

i dont want or agree with him fighting devon but lets not act like sorry *** Robert Guerrero was going to be a WOW fight or WOW name

 

at the end of the day i think he still fights Guerrero anyways.

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I think most of them were because they're both African American, from the mid-west, and same weight class. At least I hope so, otherwise I don't have much faith in mankind. laugh.gif

 

devon be jabbing for the sake of jabbing , like literally it serves no purpose

dude has no plan b.......ever

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Guerrero>Devon
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Ortiz is beyond sweet, he's dripping high fructose corn syrup.
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that would be so easy to sell a fight with him then Devon or hell even Robert Guerrero. Bradley has a name to sell because of the pacman fight, he also has a belt and a 0 on his record(right or wrong)

i dont want or agree with him fighting devon but lets not act like sorry *** Robert Guerrero was going to be a WOW fight or WOW name

at the end of the day i think he still fights Guerrero anyways.

That I get Mike. Even with the Pacman fight, I don't think Bradley brings that much of an added fanbase. TBH if he did, there'd be a lot more people wondering where he is and complaining that he's not fighting. I forgot he still had the belt at 147.

I won't say Guerrerro is a WOW fight or a WOW name but he has the backstory with the wife cancer stuff that wins (and has won) fans over and that they'll stuff down the throats of fans in 24/7. Plus, he's beaten two top 10 guys at 147 which the other two can't say.
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post #226 of 2208
facelube?????? damn, at least he's gettin $$$. I hope
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that would be so easy to sell a fight with him then Devon or hell even Robert Guerrero. Bradley has a name to sell because of the pacman fight, he also has a belt and a 0 on his record(right or wrong)

i dont want or agree with him fighting devon but lets not act like sorry *** Robert Guerrero was going to be a WOW fight or WOW name

at the end of the day i think he still fights Guerrero anyways.

That I get Mike. Even with the Pacman fight, I don't think Bradley brings that much of an added fanbase. TBH if he did, there'd be a lot more people wondering where he is and complaining that he's not fighting. I forgot he still had the belt at 147.

I won't say Guerrerro is a WOW fight or a WOW name but he has the backstory with the wife cancer stuff that wins (and has won) fans over and that they'll stuff down the throats of fans in 24/7. Plus, he's beaten two top 10 guys at 147 which the other two can't say.

 

 

Bradley doesnt have a fan base at all, but people know his name because of the pacman fight. nobody knows who Guerrerro is.

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It can't be Bradley hes already fighting Provednikov. I don't want to see Alexander or Guerrero fight Floyd. But what would be a mega fight at this moment? I don't like Canelo but that fight would sell bc of his fanbase.

Martinez is the most deserving, but won't get the Floyd fight. Yet Canelo & Martinez practically weigh the same with Canelo rehydrating more but Floyd would still rather fight Canelo it doesn't make sense to me.
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laugh.gif Mayweather is never fighting Martinez, deal with it.
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Real middleweight strength plus refined boxing skills? I'd wanna fight Canelo before Martinez too.
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Tired of Money May just handpicking these weak oppenets
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Nonito didn't know?

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Nate cambell better hang it back up

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RIGONDEAUX SIGNS TO FIGHT DONAIRE
by Lem Satterfield February 11, 2013
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WBA junior featherweight beltholder Guillermo Rigondeaux has signed his contract to face RING champion Nonito Donaire on April 13.


The attorney for Gary Hyde, manager of WBA junior featherweight beltholder Guillermo Rigondeaux, has informed RingTV.com that the two-time Olympic gold medalist has signed his contract to face RING 122-pound champion Nonito Donaire on April 13 on HBO.
Hyde's attorney, Pat English, said Rigondeaux (11-0, 8 knockouts) "signed within the hour" to face Donaire (30-1, 21 KOs), both of whom are promoted by Top Rank CEO Bob Arum.
"[English] has called me to say that it has happened and that he had forwarded it to my office," said Arum, who was at lunch and had not yet seen the documents. "I believe him, because he's a responsible guy."
Arum indicated that he expects for Donaire's part of the agreement to be finalized soon.
"Everything is in the process of happening," said Arum. "When it happens, it will happen, and then, we'll announce the signing and the site."
Donaire is coming off December's sensational third-round knockout of Mexican former four-division titleholder Jorge Arce, which resurrected the hopes of his Filipino countrymen as it came a week after Philippines national hero Manny Pacquiao was left lying face-first and motionless in a sixth-round knockout loss to Juan Manuel Marquez.

Donaire made his 122-pound debut with last February's split decision over ex-beltholder Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., and followed that up with a unanimous decision over South Africa's Jeffrey Mathebula for the IBF title in July.

In October of last year, Donaire's ninth-round stoppage of Toshiaki Nishioka, handing the legendary Japanese fighter his first loss since March of 2004 -- a span of eight years and seven months.

Rigondeaux was scheduled to face Thailand's Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym on the Donaire-Arce undercard at The Toyota Center in Houston before his rival's licence was not allowed due to his failed medical exam, according to the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.

link: http://m.ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/177185-rigondeaux-signs-to-fight-donaire

Finally!! I can't wait for this.
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Bradley vs ruslan

Never seen the guy fight (ruslan) how do you think this fight will come off?
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RIGONDEAUX SIGNS TO FIGHT DONAIRE
by Lem Satterfield February 11, 2013

Cant wait to see this fight
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On October 20, 2012, WBC junior welterweight champion Danny Garcia of Philadelphia address and Puerto Rican heritage knocked out Mexican legend Erik “El terrible” Morales at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, New York. The fight was the inaugural main event for the exclusive rights relationship between the Barclay’s Center and Golden Boy Promotions. The card was an exciting line-up and in terms of developing a new market from which boxing can grow, a banner day for the sport.

 

The fight set another precedent. It marked the first time the public knew a fighter was being allowed to compete despite tested positive for a banned substance twice on two separate dates complete with “B” sample confirmations leading up to a televised world title fight.

 

At the final press conference, Angel Garcia, the father and trainer of Danny, was beside himself. He hurled his anger at Team Morales but never said what it was he was angry about. A confused media stared, recorded and tweeted in wonder. Even Angel’s own son had no idea what was going on.


What Danny Garcia soon learned was that Morales had tested positive on two separate dates, October 3 and October 13, leading up to the October 20 contest. A third urine sample taken a few days before the fight came back negative and yet Morales was still cleared to fight. By who still remains uncertain. The New York State Athletic Commission Executive Director has not gone on record discussing the case nor answered why they allowed the fight to go on just a year after going over Antonio Margarito’s damaged eye with the Hubble Space telescope.

 

“My dad said ’Look, [Morales] took the test, he failed it,” Danny Garcia told Maxboxing.com. “That’s the whole reason we took the tests or we would have never took the tests. So [my dad and I] said ’We are not fighting tomorrow.’ [Garcia’s Team, which includes Golden Boy Promotions and adviser Al Haymon] said we will leave it to the New York Commission. They said if [Morales] second test [collected October 13] came positive that it was ok and ‘They will take it out of your hands and he won’t fight.’ And the second test came back and they still said ’Ok."

 

Garcia was shocked at the commission, USADA et al allowing the fight to happen.

 

“That was the whole reason we did the testing so if someone tests positive for anything we ain’t going to fight,” Danny said. “So when the commission said ’Ok’ I was like ‘Damn, so it don’t even matter. Like . . . testing don’t even matter sometimes.”

 

After the Friday weigh-in, Morales told RingTV "I just spoke to USADA, which is something that I don’t have to tell you guys, but I’m going to tell you this. I just got a call from USADA, and they said that I don’t have to worry and that everything is okay. Everything is okay. You’re not guilty until we prove that you are guilty, and the commission already has accepted the fight, so the fight is on."

 

However, according to the Garcias, as late as Saturday morning, the fight, at least to them, was off.

 

“The fight was cancelled,” Angel Garcia told Maxboxing.com. “Behind the scenes, no one knew what was going down. And then the last week when the urine was clean__”

 

Garcia explained that while he kept Danny resting and focused on the fight, they had essentially decided not to do the fight even with Morales’ negative test. The decision to fight or not was left to the Garcias by the network and Golden Boy. The morning of the fight Angel met with his wife. The two talked casually, exchanging morning pleasantries.

 

“She began asking questions about what was going down,” Angel explained. “I explained to her everything step by step. What happened there, [Danny and I] didn’t get the [New York] Athletic [Commission] involved. We didn’t get Golden Boy involved. It was fighter to fighter. So the Athletic Commission could have jumped in and stopped it but they let us make the decision. I went downstairs that morning and talked to Danny’s mom. By the end of the conversation, it was [9 AM EST].”

 

After hearing all the details, including the two positive tests and the third and final negative test, Garcia’s mother, according to Angel, said "Let him fight.”

 

“I went upstairs and told him, "Danny, you’re fighting,” said the elder Garcia.

 

The fight was announced a go and while USADA and its president Travis Tygart were basking in the early media glow of the release of the Lance Armstrong Report, an athlete under their contractual jurisdiction, Erik Morales, was about to fight for a world title having tested positive twice for clenbuterol within seventeen days of the fight.

 

Later that October 20, 2012 evening, after three one-sided rounds, at 1:23 of the fourth, Danny Garcia knocked out Erik Morales with a brutal left hook fitting of a rugged and brave Philly fighter.

 

Four months later, after Angel Garcia, his wife and their son had to decide for themselves whether or not to face a fighter who had tested positive two times heading into their world title fight, USADA has finally decided take action against Erik Morales.

 

On Friday February 8, 2013, USADA sent an email, obtained by Maxboxing.com, regarded Morales’s urine samples #1546299, collected October 3, 2012 and #1546300 collected on October 10, 2012–both labeled “Out of Competition”- were found to be in violation of the World Anti-Agency (WADA) code. The Executive Directors of New Jersey, New York, California and Nevada, as well as Golden Boy Promotions’ David Itskowitch and Julien Sieveking of WADA were all cc’d in the email. A USADA review board has determined that USADA’s adjudication process begin immediately.

 

“USADA charges you with an anti-doping rule violation for the presence of Clenbuterol in your urine samples,” USADA’s email to Morales states.

 

“You have agreed to abide by the Code and the Protocol,” the email states, “and that any positive test result(s) from a Sample provided by you would be managed pursuant to the Protocol, which has been previously been provided to you. Accordingly, you are subject to the following sanction for your first anti-doping violation:

 

· Up to a two (2) year period of ineligibility as described in Article 10.2 of the Code, beginning on the day you accept a sanction, fail to request a hearing or fail to respond, or the date of the hearing in this matter, from participation in any activity or competition organized by or under the auspices of any signatory to the Code or any member of the signatory, including ineligibility from in or coaching in Olympic Pan American, or Paralympic Games Trials, or being a member of any Olympic, Pan American or Paralympic Team.; and

 

· Disqualification of the competitive results obtained subsequent to October 3, 2012, the date your urine sample #1546299 was collected and, including forfeiture of any medals, points, and prizes consistent with Article 10.1 of the Code.”

 

 

The email further states:

 

“Furthermore if it is determined that you are subject to the application of aggravated circumstances as described in Article 10.6 of the Code, your potential period of ineligibility may be increased up to a four (4) year period of ineligibility.

 

Please be advised, that as required by every doping case under the Protocol, your doping violation and the resulting sanction will be publicly announced.”

 

Morales has until 5:00 pm Mountain Time on Monday February 18, 2013 to either accept the sanction in writing via fax or by email or to contest it. According to the email and the WADA Code, Morales has the right to a hearing if he so chooses. Per the Protocol, Morales legally can request a five day extension, the deadline for which is also February 18, 2013.

 

Morales has stated that he would likely have a farewell fight in his hometown of Tijuana, Mexico sometime in the first quarter of 2013.

 

USADA’s email concludes, “Except as provided in the Protocol, USADA will not publicly disclose or comment on the specifics of your test results until your case has been resolved. By copy of this letter, USADA is notifying Golden Boy Promotions, WADA and the Athletic Commissions for California, Nevada, New York and New Jersey of your test results and requests that they not comment publicly concerning this information until disclosed as provided in the Protocol. USADA will notify these organizations of the final disposition of your case.”

 

How was this allowed to happen? How were Erik Morales’ two pre-fight positive drug tests for clenbuterol and what should have been the resulting adjudication process taken out of the hands of the New York State Athletic Commission who was charged with presiding over the fight? Who and what allowed the fight to go on? And who is responsible?

 

First, let us briefly look at another case of a clenbuterol positive test prior to competition.

 

Prior to the 2008 Olympics, swimmer Jessica Hardy was notified her “A” sample had tested positive for clenbuterol. What is important to note is that Ms. Hardy was not given the option by USADA to compete in the Olympics following her positive drug test and then enter the adjudication process. She was not offered an opportunity to keep giving samples until one came back negative so as to compete in the Olympics. The bottom line is that Hardy’s days as a competitor were immediately suspended following her positive “A” sample test.

 

Hardy immediately withdrew from the competition and began the related legal process. She ultimately received a one year suspension. Why was Erik Morales, who agreed to abide to the same WADA code under contractual agreement with USADA, allowed to fight despite his positive tests? And why did the NYSAC allow it?

 

Perhaps it is found in the fact that in no clause, rule or any other place found in several Master Agreement contracts obtained by Maxboxing.com, between Golden Boy Promotions and the United States Anti-Doping Agency regarding anti-doping testing for their fighters are the words “State Athletic Commission” used. No variation of those words is used. It would appear, after careful perusal of these varied versions of the same Master Agreement, that this alliance between Golden Boy and USADA potentially takes the commission completely out of the loop.

 

We will explore specifics and the legal questions created by such a possibility in Part Two.

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So if the holdup between Mayweather Guerrero is not over $$, what is the holdup? Network?

Dan "D$" Rafael (12:17 PM)


The TV aspect is a major thing. Both networks have made monster offers and Floyd will have to decide -- stay loyal to HBO, where he has been his whole career and made hundreds of millions, or try something new at Showtime.
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post #239 of 2208
USADA is SUCH A JOKE

Been trying to tell yall that for years. going back to 08 Olympics. mean.gif

the State Boxing commissions are bigger Jokes.
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post #240 of 2208
Ridiculous. Why do they even bother testing with crap like that?
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