Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread

^ if he can actually catch the ball on offense and do something within 2 feet of the rim, he would/will be better than Perkins on offense..


And on defense bill simmons said it best when he said something along the lines of: your in the league only to guard certain guys, Marc gasol being one of them, if you can no longer do that then what are you useful for





I like Adams potential.. Also like Hobert's potential.. And Len... Don't want plumlee, zeller or the guy out of gonzaga
 
I disagree, If I'm OKC, I take Zeller followed by Olynyk, they need more scoring out of their big men, people have totaly picked apart Cody Zeller, he can score and will score on the NBA level, he's an excellent athlete and has the potential to be a Chris Bosh lite/ Lamarcus Aldridge type player.
 
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For me, I want a guy who can get 10+ rebounds per.. Bang down low.. Actually catch the ball and finish around the rim (our center should get 6-10 points on chip shots or putbacks easy)

If he can run with the rest of the guys, that's a plus.. Hence my liking of Adams potential
 
I like Len then Dieng then Zeller then Adams then Muscula then Olynyk but we'd have to trade up for Len and some people are concerned bout his stress fracture, even moreso than Noel's ACL/knee issues. Whoever it is going straight to Tulsa (D League) anyways
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
I disagree, If I'm OKC, I take Zeller followed by Olynyk, they need more scoring out of their big men, people have totaly picked apart Cody Zeller, he can score and will score on the NBA level, he's an excellent athlete and has the potential to be a Chris Bosh lite/ Lamarcus Aldridge type player.
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I like Zeller on OKC. He runs the floor and jumps as well as any 7 footer I've seen. Also with his T-Rex arms, he'll only become a better shooter at the next level. Westbrook in the pick and pop with him/Ibaka is $. He won't rebound or defend exceptionally well but he will be able to get 15 ppg playing with Westbrook and Durant. He'll also help stretch the floor and open up the paint and let's face it, anything is better than Perkins.
 
After seeing Zeller's athletic numbers to go with his game he's probably one of the safest picks in this weak draft.


However I'm not a fan of players allergic to physicality and he's one of them. That potential of him and Ibaka on the floor at the same time with that athleticism is nice, but neither can put their back to the basket and get a bucket.
 
True but there is nobody who can put their back to the basket and get a bucket in this draft besides maybe Olynyk but he can't jump, run or play defense well at the NBA level. Also isn't a great rebounder but very skilled/effecient offensively, reminds me of a Euro big, a poverty Pau Gasol.


Praying for whichever lottery team drafts Shabazz. More I look into him, the more red flags.
 
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2013 NBA Mock Draft 4.0

With NBA team workouts now in full swing, it's time for another update of our mock draft.

Over the course of the past few weeks I've been speaking with numerous NBA team sources about how the draft might play out on June 27.

Here's our latest update on how we see things going.

1. Cleveland Cavaliers - Nerlens Noel

Analysis: Typically, by this juncture in the draft, we know who the No. 1 pick is. Right now, however, we're just offering educated guesses. That's because Cavs sources say that the team won't be close to making a decision until workouts are done and the team has a chance to make a thorough pass through the medical information. With three potential top picks unable to workout because of injuries, those reports have never been more important.

Until we hear otherwise, Noel is the default pick here. General manager Chris Grant has been a fan of Noel's all year and even recommended his doctor. Assuming the rehab is going well (his doctor, James Andrews, insists Noel is ahead of schedule while other NBA team doctors are wringing their hands a little) Noel should come out on top. He's the top prospect in the draft and the Cavs can afford to be patient while he gets back to full health and gains a little weight. If the Cavs decide to go in another direction, Georgetown's Otto Porter and Maryland's Alex Len appear to be the top candidates to supplant Noel.

2. Orlando Magic - Victor Oladipo

Analysis: According to sources, the Magic, are still wide open. They say they have nine (gulp) players that they are considering. Michigan's Trey Burke was in this slot in Mock 3.0, but I'm hearing the Magic aren't sold on him as the second best player in the draft. They might take him, but he's not an outright frontrunner, despite the need.

The Magic are eyeing other young point guards such as Eric Bledsoe. If they make a trade, starting two-guard Arron Afflalo will be the bait. Assistant GM Scott Perry (who helped Afflalo in Detroit) doesn't want to give him up, but given where the Magic are as team, it might be the only way to trade for a point guard upgrade. If Afflalo goes, the two-guard position opens up. Both Oladipo and McLemore would be upgrades long-term anyway. While McLemore is a better shooter, Oladipo's toughness, defense and leadership might be more appealing to a rebuilding team.

3. Washington Wizards - Otto Porter

Analysis: The Wizards are sitting pretty at No. 3. The two players they really like -- Porter and UNLV's Anthony Bennett -- are both on the board here. The need help at both the 3 and the 4, and sources say their front office is split between them. Porter's versatility and his ability to affect the game without shooting the ball are major plusses on a team that already has several starters who like to score the ball. Bennett's ability to stretch the floor as a 4 is also appealing, as is his upside. Aside from Noel, many NBA GMs believe Bennett might have the highest upside of anyone in the draft. This one could go down to the wire, but I'm giving the edge to Porter because of the questions marks around Bennett's injured shoulder.

4. Charlotte Bobcats - Anthony Bennett

Analysis: Truthfully, the Bobcats need help at the two, the four and the five. I think this will come down to a choice between Ben McLemore, Bennett and Len. All three players are young and blessed with incredible upside. Sources say Bennett might have the edge right now for two reasons. First, the Bobcats have been completely devoid of frontcourt scoring and Bennett's ability to score both inside and outside is appealing.

Second, the Bobcats front office (like a lot of NBA front offices) have questions right now about McLemore's mental approach to the game. Does he have the aggressiveness he needs to maximize his potential? Those questions are growing louder the closer we get to the draft. As for Len, the questions about his foot loom large as does the fact that he'd miss Summer League -- a critical development period for young players.

5. Phoenix Suns - Ben McLemore

Analysis: The Suns are another team that could go in just about any direction. Phoenix lacks young building blocks. But its biggest need might be a scorer in the backcourt. If McLemore is still on the board here, he'll be hard to pass up. He's one of the few players with All-Star upside. But don't count out Lehigh's C.J. McCollum either. McCollum is a better scorer and can play two positions on the floor.

6. New Orleans Pelicans - Alex Len

Analysis: The Pelicans will take a long, hard look at both Burke and Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams. But I'm not sure they'll bite. This team drafted Austin Rivers last year to be its point guard of the future and sources say that the team hasn't given up on Rivers, despite a miserable rookie season. With Greivis Vasquez also in the backcourt, point guard isn't a huge need if they're happy with Vasquez and Rivers. That makes Len an attractive option here.

The Pelicans see Anthony Davis as a four in the NBA and aren't convinced Robin Lopez is the long-term answer at the five. Len has enormous potential at the five. He can score, rebound and block shots. If his foot wasn't injured, I think he'd get much more consideration at No. 1. He could be a steal for the Pelicans here.

7. Sacramento Kings - Trey Burke

Analysis: It's hard to project anything for the Kings right now until a new GM is in place. The truth is, whoever comes in is likely to clean house. The Kings will be starting over to some extent. Other GMs are salivating at the possibility of DeMarcus Cousins being available, but unless the Kings are blown away with an offer, I doubt they trade him before the draft. So, I'm just placing the next player on our Big Board here. However, Burke actually does make sense for Sacramento. He's more of a true point guard than anyone currently on the roster, and he's a winner -- something the Kings need.

8. Detroit Pistons - Michael Carter-Williams

Analysis: The Pistons have a lot of interest in grabbing a small forward here, but right now I don't think there's anyone on the table except for Shabazz Muhammad, and I'm not sure that's the right play for Detroit. I'm hearing with increasing frequency the Pistons might target a point guard. The team thinks Brandon Knight might be more effective at the two, and if they could get a big point guard like Carter-Williams, he could be the perfect fit in the backcourt with Knight. They really would like a pure playmaker who can help their young guys get better. Given Carter-Williams' significant upside, he might be a great play here.

9. Minnesota Timberwolves - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Analysis: New Timberwolves GM Flip Saunders has made no secret of his desire to acquire a shooter on the wing. He's already auditioned several in Minnesota (Caldwell-Pope, Allen Crabbe and Tim Hardaway Jr. worked out for him on Thursday) and traveled to Vegas to see Russian Sergey Karasev on Friday. I think Caldwell-Pope might have the most upside of any shooter left on the board. I'm hearing the Wolves agree.

10. Portland Trailblazers - C.J. McCollum

Analysis: The Blazers would like to continue to add shooters. Enter McCollum. While he commonly gets compared to Damian Lillard, they are different players and could nicely complement each other in the backcourt. I'm also hearing Croatia's Dario Saric is a strong possibility here, too.

11. Philadelphia 76ers - Cody Zeller

Analysis: Zeller will start showing off his hitherto unseen 3-point jumper to teams in workouts starting this week. What I saw in Santa Monica was impressive, but shooting it in an empty gym and doing it in games are two different things. If the GMs working out Zeller think he's going to make a seamless transition to the four, he's probably gone before he reaches the Sixers. But if he isn't, he's a great fit in a depleted Philly frontcourt and could be a real steal for the Sixers. I'm hearing Saric is another real possibility here.

12. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Toronto Raptors) - Steven Adams

Analysis: The Thunder have the luxury of patience, and if there's a guy worth being patient with in this draft it's Adams. He already has the NBA body, a killer motor and a terrific work ethic. If and when he starts figuring things out offensively (and it's going to be a process) he could be Oklahoma City's long-term answer in the middle.

13. Dallas Mavericks - Dario Saric

Analysis: As we reported on the night of the draft lottery, the Mavs are likely to trade this pick at some point in an effort to clear more cap space for a run at Dwight Howard/Chris Paul.

Given NBA rules, Dallas technically can't trade the pick until after the draft, but it can reach a deal in principle before it. Sources say the Mavs have been making calls gauging interest. However, the other option is taking Saric. Dallas can get him off the cap with an agreement from Saric that he won't come to the NBA this season. The Mavs actually love Saric, so it might work for both parties. And even if they trade the pick, Saric appears to be a hot name right now. The Pelicans, Blazers, and Sixers all have significant interest in him as well and might be great trade partners.

14. Utah Jazz - Dennis Schroeder

Analysis: The Jazz's biggest need is at the point, and it's increasingly likely the team will have to use this pick to draft a top-ranked point guard. Schroeder is interesting because of his speed and length. He's not as NBA-ready as some of the other point guards in the draft, but one of the Jazz's priorities is to get more athletic. Miami's Shane Larkin is another possibility here.

15. Milwaukee Bucks - Shane Larkin

Analysis: With the Bucks hesitant to make a big free-agent offer to point guard Brandon Jennings, that position might immediately become a need for Milwaukee. Sources say Larkin's workout in Milwaukee was a "wow" for the Bucks. Pairing him with Monta Ellis would make for a pretty small backcourt, but Larkin's ability to run the pick-and-roll is very appealing to them.

16. Boston Celtics - Shabazz Muhammad

Analysis: Muhammad might be the most difficult player in the draft to place right now. After coming in with enormous hype, scouts are obsessed right now with the weaknesses in his game. Can he shoot off the bounce? Can he go right? Does he have the athleticism to defend? Is he a selfish player?

Muhammad is working hard to answer his critics and these workouts will go a long way to determining where he ultimately lands. But with Paul Pierce's run with the Celtics nearing an end, Muhammad might be worth the risk here if the Celtics' preferred target, Schroeder, already is off the board.

17. Atlanta Hawks - Robert Gobert

Analysis: Roy Hibbert's stellar performance in the NBA Eastern Conference finals helps a player such as Gobert. Yes, Gobert will be drafted largely on sheer size. He doesn't have a great motor yet nor does he know what he's doing. But you can't teach 7-foot-2. With the Hawks in the process of clearing the deck in Atlanta, I'm not sure they can pass him. However, he's a major work in progress.

18. Atlanta Hawks (via Houston Rockets) - Jamaal Franklin

Analysis: Franklin still is hobbling around with a bad ankle. He wasn't able to work out for a collection of NBA GMs in Las Vegas this weekend and was relegated to shooting only jumpers. However, Franklin showed he hasn't been just laying around for the past month. His jumper has improved considerably. At 18, he becomes a talent grab for the Hawks. His upside is significant.

19. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Los Angeles Lakers) - Sergey Karasev

Analysis: If the Cavs grab Noel at No. 1, look for them to add a small forward or shooter with their second first-round pick. Karasev is interesting. His performance in Vegas on Friday wasn't stellar thanks to some jet lag, but scouts are very high on him at the moment.

He has the size to play both wing positions, is a terrific shooter, has a high basketball IQ, and at 19, already has significant professional experience averaging 18.4 PPG in the Russian League. A few scouts compare him to smaller version of Toni Kukoc. Karasev could go as high at No. 9 to the Wolves but would be a great get here by the Cavs.

20. Chicago Bulls - Mason Plumlee

Analysis: The old adage in the draft is that "bigs rise" (I think Tom Penn said it at least a dozen times in our NBA draft combine broadcast) -- and it's true. But it's interesting to see which bigs are rising -- it's the young ones like Adams and Gobert, not the older ones. Plumlee had a season worthy of being a lottery pick, and he would be a great get here if he falls this low. The Bulls need support for Joakim Noah, and Plumlee excels in getting up and down the floor.

21. Utah Jazz (via Golden State Warriors) - Kelly Olynyk

Analysis: Olynyk is another big projected as a potential late lottery pick who's struggling to find a home right now. I doubt he slides past the Jazz if they get a point guard at No. 14. With both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap hitting free agency, Utah will need frontcourt help, and Olynyk's ability to both shoot the basketball and put it on the floor would give the Jazz's front line another wrinkle.

22. Brooklyn Nets - Gorgui Dieng

Analysis: The Nets got a great season out of Brook Lopez, but they don't really have a credible backup for him. Dieng's play in the NCAA title game gave him a big boost in his draft stock. Not only can he block shots, but he's also a surprisingly good passer and is developing a nice face-the-basket game. Maybe more important to the Nets, he should be able to play right away.

23. Indiana Pacers - Reggie Bullock

Analysis: The Pacers have an elite starting five, but they need depth at every position. They could especially use a shooter or two -- the team ranked just 22nd in the league this year in 3-point field goal percentage. Bullock might be the best shooter left on the board. He's a bit one-dimensional, but he can play two different positions and should be able to play from day one.

24. New York Knicks - Tony Mitchell

Analysis: The Knicks have never shied away from taking a risk on a player. Mitchell has the upside of a top-10 pick, but he was in an awful situation in North Texas last season and might have responded as well as he could have. He's an elite athlete and a terrific rebounder -- the Knicks could use both in its frontcourt.

25. Los Angeles Clippers - Allen Crabbe

Analysis: TThe Clippers have recently been hit with the news that Chris Paul was unhappy with members of the organization over the way they handled the Vinny Del Negro firing. So a point guard like Pierre Jackson is a possibility. But the Clips also have need at both the two and three. Crabbe's shooting ability, especially at his size, could be a great fit for L.A.

26. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Memphis Grizzlies) - Jeff Withey

Analysis: Wolves big man Nikola Pekovic is a free agent this summer. So is his backup, Greg Stiemsma. Withey was one of the best shot blockers in college basketball last year and could add some defensive toughness to their front line.

27. Denver Nuggets - Ricky Ledo

Analysis: Really, the Nuggets are set at every position and have a lot of flexibility to draft based on pure talent. They don't have immediate needs. That should give them the option to take another young player who they can patiently develop. Scouts feel like Ledo is a top-15 talent. He could be the next Lance Stephenson.

28. San Antonio Spurs - Lucas Noguiera

Analysis: Noguiera is drawing rave reviews from teams that scouted him in Europe this year and in recent workouts. He needs to add a ton of weight, but think of him as a Brazilian Nerlens Noel. With patience he could have a bright future and would have the perfect mentor in fellow countryman Tiago Splitter.

29. Oklahoma City Thunder - Richard Ledo

Analysis: Again, the Thunder have a ton of flexibility right now and with two first-round picks, they don't need a player to come right now. Some scouts believe Antetokounmpo has as much upside as anyone in the draft, but he's years away from realizing it. If the Thunder are patient, grabbing him could pay off big down the road.

30. Phoenix Suns (via Miami Heat) - Glen Rice Jr.

Analysis: If the Suns get their two guard with its first pick, don't be surprised if Phoenix tries to add another wing who can shoot the ball with its second first-rounder. Rice dominated the D-League last season and probably is big enough to spend time at the three. He's also one of the two or three most NBA-ready prospects in the draft.
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I pray that the kings don't pick Trey Burke... We already have an undersized PG in Isaiah Thomas. 
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
I think Bazz would be best as a 6th man on a good team or 2nd/3rd option. I like the T'Wolves for him.
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He's not a good shooter, not good off the dribble, long but not a good defender, average athlete, ineffecient, bad teamate and a historically bad passer. Only thing he is NBA good at are offensive rebounds and a little post game.

He is a homeless version Carmelo without a mid range jumper and 2 inches of height.

Kings definitely do need a real pg, Trey Burke is not Isiah Thomas.
 
Always thought him going to UCLA was a bad decision. I see Bazz being a lot better NBA player. He needs to learn how to pass the ball though. Straight ball hoggin on some maurice taylor ****.
 
I hope Bazz falls to my Bulls at 20, if goes to the right situation where he doesn't have to be the "guy" I think he will turn out to be one of the steals of this draft ... UCLA was a bad choice for him, should've went to elsewhere like UNLV, same goes for my youngin Kyle Anderson.

John Salmons comparison tho??? :lol:
 
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Bazz won't fall to 20... Assuming the Cavs take Noel how do they let him slide past them? Unless they do a trade to acquire a SF (possibly helping Dallas by taken on Marion's contract) they have to get a SF.

PMatic: What's the SF free agency looking like? I'm asking because I figure you got that info.
 
CaptainSneakerhead23 said:
I hope Bazz falls to my Bulls at 20, if goes to the right situation where he doesn't have to be the "guy" I think he will turn out to be one of the steals of this draft ... UCLA was a bad choice for him, should've went to elsewhere like UNLV, same goes for my youngin Kyle Anderson.

John Salmons comparison tho??? :lol:
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John salmons is a fair comparison, undersize sf that can give you valuable mins and score the ball
 
Black Migo said:
CaptainSneakerhead23 said:
I hope Bazz falls to my Bulls at 20, if goes to the right situation where he doesn't have to be the "guy" I think he will turn out to be one of the steals of this draft ... UCLA was a bad choice for him, should've went to elsewhere like UNLV, same goes for my youngin Kyle Anderson.

John Salmons comparison tho??? :lol:
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John salmons is a fair comparison, undersize sf that can give you valuable mins and score the ball
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Cory Maggette? Maybe Mike Redd with an average jumper? A better version on Nick Young? Caron Butler?

Not saying the Salmons comparison is a bad one, but a few names I mentioned above come before Johnny IMO
 
If the Jazz end up with Schroeder and Kelly, man...

I have a hard time believing he falls to 21, though. He has major deficiencies, but as a seven-foot, niche-y, second unit, inside-out scoring big... Not all that common in the league right now.
 
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Cory Maggette? Maybe Mike Redd with an average jumper? A better version on Nick Young? Caron Butler?

Not saying the Salmons comparison is a bad one, but a few names I mentioned above come before Johnny IMO
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Michael Redd with an average jumper makes him a regular joe and not an NBA player 
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Maybe young OSU Michael Redd I guess before he developed that jumper
 
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CaptainSneakerhead23 said:
Cory Maggette? Maybe Mike Redd with an average jumper? A better version on Nick Young? Caron Butler?


Not saying the Salmons comparison is a bad one, but a few names I mentioned above come before Johnny IMO
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Michael Redd with an average jumper makes him a regular joe and not an NBA player 
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Maybe young OSU Michael Redd I guess before he developed that jumper
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:lol: that's the Mike Redd I was referring too
 
I like Ricky Ledo on OKC to take Kevin Martin's role.

Lamb needs to step into that starting 2 spot next season
 
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