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post #31 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:26am
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Kigndom Come was good for its time. It wasnt timeless like majority of his albums but it was fire when it came out.

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i understand Jay is your boy and all, but call a spade a spade. it just is what it is. Kingdom Come was trash. then and now
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post #32 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:29am
personally, imo, everything except for 808's is better than AG.
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post #33 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:35am
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Kigndom Come was good for its time. It wasnt timeless like majority of his albums but it was fire when it came out.

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i understand Jay is your boy and all, but call a spade a spade. it just is what it is. Kingdom Come was trash. then and now

Prelude, Kingdom Come, Oh My God, Lost Ones, Do You Wanna, 30 Something, Trouble, Minority Report, Dig a Hole, and Beach Chair. All fire tracks. 14 track album and I just listed 10 songs that were high quality. This album didnt suck. Yeah its probably down at the botoom of his catalog along with Blueprint 2: The Gift, but JAY-Zs worst album is better than almost everyone elses best one. Kingdom Come didnt suck.

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post #34 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:38am
i listen to none of those songs. i haven't enjoyed a jay z album since the blueprint, but its a matter of opinion.

to each his own
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post #35 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:41am
I hate Jays music for the most part and I found AG to be pretty good

def not better than Kanyes first 3 albums tho

Oh and Kingdom Come is hot dookie in a dixie cup
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post #36 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:41am
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i listen to none of those songs. i haven't enjoyed a jay z album since the blueprint, but its a matter of opinion.

to each his own

that sucks for you bro cause AG and Black Album were both pimp.gif

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post #37 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:44am
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i listen to none of those songs. i haven't enjoyed a jay z album since the blueprint, but its a matter of opinion.

to each his own

Black Album is a certified classic.  RDxBlueprintxBA are all nearly perfect.

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post #38 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:46am
AG is a damn good album and I don't think the OP's statement is crazy. AG has more replay for me than most Ye' albums.
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post #39 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:46am
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i listen to none of those songs. i haven't enjoyed a jay z album since the blueprint, but its a matter of opinion.


to each his own
that sucks for you bro cause AG and Black Album were both pimp.gif

i played the Black Album a lot when it dropped. i like the album, but i don't hold it in the same regard as everyone else
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post #40 of 162
1/31/13 at 8:55am
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Whao...I just peeped some of the responses...Lemme talk my ish again.....


^^First, Kingdome Come was EASILY the worst Jay-Z album ever. Even worse than Watch the Throne, if you count that as a Jay album. Take the intro, I Made it, and (sparingly) Beach Chair...Throw the rest in the hold that Jay-Z dug on that lbum.

Now, on to the topic at hand....


American Gangstar IS/WAS the best album of the second half of Jay's career. It is STILL his best album since it's release (yes, better than BP3 and WTT and whatever else half *** raps he did since then)...Shout to AntiDope for that.

I personally think Late Registration is Kanye's best album...I know, a lot of people disagree, goign with College Dropout...My issue with College Dropout was Kanye's rapping was sub-par, at best. Beats were on point, but he was such a novice, lyrically, on that album. And his flow still continues to falter...He still does things like singing out syllabals to fill bars and stretching out words and ending raps at 14 and 15 bars instead of filling out the whole 16. Kanye has improved greatly as a rapper, but no kanye album is better than AG. Yes, I said that.

I wonder how much of this argument has to do with age...myself, I'm 28. Does that make me older or younger than most of the people in this thread?

I don't listen to the intro
Pray and American Dreamin were dope. "We need a town, we need it now, we need a place to pitch, we need a mound"...C'mon son...Oh, and don't even get me started on teh Marvin Gaye sample...any of you guys bother to check what Marvin is saying in the sample?

"I never gave head before but there's always the first time you know"

Hello Brooklyn is whack...I understand why it's on the album, but I can certainly do without it

I actually like "No Hook" less than most.

Roc Boys is a good single...Had the homie Nas in the video...I aint complaining

and now here's where the album picks up...

Sweet and They Know have such a 70's heron vibe. From the samples to Jay's lyrics. I absolutely do NOT think that just cuz Neptunes made the beat, it's a classic, and They Know is certainly not their best music together, but both songs are dope nonetheless.

Party Life might be the best song on the album

I prefer the original version of ignorant sheet that didn't have Beans on it, but shout to Jay for getting Beans one more check.

Say Hello is whack, but the album ends with 3 really good songs, especially Blue Magic.

Guess we'll just agree to disagree.
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post #41 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:01am
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i listen to none of those songs. i haven't enjoyed a jay z album since the blueprint, but its a matter of opinion.

to each his own

Black Album is a certified classic.  RDxBlueprintxBA are all nearly perfect.

Those are his top 3 no question.

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Whao...I just peeped some of the responses...Lemme talk my ish again.....


^^First, Kingdome Come was EASILY the worst Jay-Z album ever. Even worse than Watch the Throne, if you count that as a Jay album. Take the intro, I Made it, and (sparingly) Beach Chair...Throw the rest in the hold that Jay-Z dug on that lbum.

Now, on to the topic at hand....


American Gangstar IS/WAS the best album of the second half of Jay's career. It is STILL his best album since it's release (yes, better than BP3 and WTT and whatever else half *** raps he did since then)...Shout to AntiDope for that.

I personally think Late Registration is Kanye's best album...I know, a lot of people disagree, goign with College Dropout...My issue with College Dropout was Kanye's rapping was sub-par, at best. Beats were on point, but he was such a novice, lyrically, on that album. And his flow still continues to falter...He still does things like singing out syllabals to fill bars and stretching out words and ending raps at 14 and 15 bars instead of filling out the whole 16. Kanye has improved greatly as a rapper, but no kanye album is better than AG. Yes, I said that.

I wonder how much of this argument has to do with age...myself, I'm 28. Does that make me older or younger than most of the people in this thread?

I don't listen to the intro
Pray and American Dreamin were dope. "We need a town, we need it now, we need a place to pitch, we need a mound"...C'mon son...Oh, and don't even get me started on teh Marvin Gaye sample...any of you guys bother to check what Marvin is saying in the sample?

"I never gave head before but there's always the first time you know"

Hello Brooklyn is whack...I understand why it's on the album, but I can certainly do without it

I actually like "No Hook" less than most.

Roc Boys is a good single...Had the homie Nas in the video...I aint complaining

and now here's where the album picks up...

Sweet and They Know have such a 70's heron vibe. From the samples to Jay's lyrics. I absolutely do NOT think that just cuz Neptunes made the beat, it's a classic, and They Know is certainly not their best music together, but both songs are dope nonetheless.

Party Life might be the best song on the album

I prefer the original version of ignorant sheet that didn't have Beans on it, but shout to Jay for getting Beans one more check.

Say Hello is whack, but the album ends with 3 really good songs, especially Blue Magic.

Guess we'll just agree to disagree.

A lot of this was on point. Espeically the Late Registration thing, it is his best album, followed by MBDTF. If youre counting Black Album as the back half like I do cause it was after the first 6 then I'm giving it to that.

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post #42 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:06am
I don't agree with OP but AG is smokin.gif

No Hook mean.gif
Say Hello.... Toomp killed that **** smokin.gif
Party Life... swag on a million when I hear it smokin.gif
Roc Boys smokin.gif
Ignant ****
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post #43 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:25am

I can't believe the number of people that like FRAUDYE's rhymes after College Dropout.  Just goes to show you how the listener/consumer of hip hop music has tumbled in recent years.

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post #44 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:45am
AG the best Album Jay has dropped in the last 10 years tho.

Say Hello, Ignorant s_, No Hook, Fallin, Pray, Party Life >>>>

Say Hello is in my top 10 Jay tracks EASILY. Probably even top 5.
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post #45 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:46am
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AG the best Album Jay has dropped in the last 10 years tho.

The Black Album- November 2003

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post #46 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:54am
Black Album came out decemeber of 2003 the same day as G-unit Beg For Mercy. TBA is easily better than AG IMO. Classic album hands down.
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post #47 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:55am
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dude, american gangster sucked.

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No hook > sick.gif
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post #48 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:56am
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I can't believe the number of people that like FRAUDYE's rhymes after College Dropout.  Just goes to show you how the listener/consumer of hip hop music has tumbled in recent years.

You can agree that Kanye sounds more polish and refined as an emcee on his later albums. I would on LR he got better lyrically and as a producer got far more creative.

I still don't get the hype about MBDTF. Its a great record but a classic? Kanyes best work? NO
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post #49 of 162
1/31/13 at 9:57am
Nothing will top TBA. It would've been flawless if he didn't put Justify My Thug on there. I actually hate DJ Quik for that lol
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post #50 of 162
1/31/13 at 10:04am
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Black Album came out decemeber November of 2003 the same day as G-unit Beg For Mercy. TBA is easily better than AG IMO. Classic album hands down.

 

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post #51 of 162
1/31/13 at 10:29am
Na op your fooling graduation and his first cd trumps AG ..but AG is one hell of a cd... its almost skipless to me
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post #52 of 162
1/31/13 at 10:34am
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AG is a damn good album and I don't think the OP's statement is crazy. AG has more replay for me than most Ye' albums.

Agreed. I still have a hard time even considering Kanye a "rapper" but he has crazy productions and as a whole puts out good music (no pun). No doubt imo AG is a top five Jay album. I thought it was classic after the first few listens. I don't know how Kingdom Come came up in the discussion lol but no one is saying Jay is perfect. If you rap long enough you're bound to put out a bad and/or mediocre album.
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post #53 of 162
1/31/13 at 10:49am
CD and LR were better than AG no doubt everything else is either a no go or debateable
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post #54 of 162
1/31/13 at 10:59am

what's the best track off American Gangster? I only heard Roc Boy, Sucess, Blue Magic. Is it that good?

 

Kanye first 2 albums were ill as hell

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1/31/13 at 11:01am
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what's the best track off American Gangster? I only heard Roc Boy, Sucess, Blue Magic. Is it that good?

 

Kanye first 2 albums were ill as hell

I think Fallin is the best song on the album, but if I had to pick a few standout tracks it would be Fallin, American Dreamining, Party Life, No Hook, and Say Hello

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post #56 of 162
1/31/13 at 11:11am
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Black Album came out decemeber of 2003 the same day as G-unit Beg For Mercy. TBA is easily better than AG IMO. Classic album hands down.
Damn you're right I remember copying both the same day. Damn G-Unit fell off laugh.gif
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post #57 of 162
1/31/13 at 11:27am
This thread is all over the place. laugh.gif

Anyway...


Kingdom Come is trash. Then and now. The Prelude was dope, the title track was hard and Lost Ones other than that I can't mess with it. But American Gangster is classic IMO from beginning to end. The lyrics, the production and the story.... Everything just flowed perfect. It's damn near flawless other than Wayne's terrible verse on Hello Brooklyn. I think it's Jay's 3rd best album after Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt.



Jay was in his zone lyrically on American Gangster pimp.gifmean.gifpimp.gif


I would still take Late Registration over it though.
Edited by Maximus Meridius - 1/31/13 at 11:36am
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post #58 of 162
1/31/13 at 11:28am
Im a big fan of AG... I personally think its a top 5 Jay album behind RD, BP, TBA, & Vol. 1. Overall, I think the album flows real nice... The smooth feel it gives off with all the soul samples is great, especially the Marvin Gaye sample of Soon I'll Be Loving You Again on American Dreamin'.

Lyrically the album delivered too, whether story telling on Pray, the double entendre of I Know, & then just classic Jay lines such as Survive the droughts, i wish you well. Great album & from start ( the intro with the AG sound bites & that transition to Pray eek.gif ) to finish I can play every track (except for Hello Brooklyn) laugh.gif

With all that being said, I don't think this album tops CD or LR. Ye's production was at his best on these two albums (from my preference at least). I loved the sound he created with these 2 projects. Lyrically he was at his best during this time too... CD had Never Let Me Down, Through The Wire, Family Business, Last Call, All Falls Down, etc. LR he was at his best lyrically with tracks like Heard Em Say, Crack Music, Roses, etc.

Im on the fence with Graduation... It was a great project, but in comparison, I think AG & Graduation are pretty close. Don't know if I could put one over the other nerd.gif
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1/31/13 at 12:05pm
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How was ignorant shhh wack?
in the same way whatever you think is wack is
preference, preference, preference
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wow ag trash? I pray to god yall ****** was born in the 90s
when I judge an album as a whole I use a simple method: fractions! songs I like/total songs. For me AG was 6/15 ...less than 50% man. Joint was wack to me.
But I mess w/ Reasonable Doubt heavy even though I was a baby when it released and had to eventually mail Jay-Z personally to get a copy to listen to since I was such a big fan and couldn't find copies of any of his old cds ANYWHERE! mean.gif
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post #60 of 162
1/31/13 at 12:13pm
I use that same criteria for albums. 6 out of 15? Really now. Name the 6
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