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"S.D.E. >>>> ANY JAY ALBUM NOT NAMED REASONABLE DOUBT OR THE BLACK ALBUM"

 

 

 

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post #32 of 52
Jay-Z fans constantly unbunching their panties
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post #34 of 52
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jay-z's discography has DEFINITELY aged terribly. i think by da time we're all 50+ history will revise how overrated they are and knock him off his pedestal.



Not to make this a NaS vs. Jay thread but after listening to "Life is Good" it made me go back and listen to Jay. I agree 100% with this. To see where NaS is today and hear his lyrics compared to Jay's last few albums is embarrassing. NaS is rapping about grown man stuff and topics I can relate to. People say Jay is rapping about grown man stuff but I can't relate to him talking about being a hundred millionaire and being on yachts and buying expensive pictures. Jay will always have classic songs and is talented but he's dropped significantly in my book because of how unimpressive his albums have been.



Guess we should all be pseudo intellectuals and rap about the black mans plight while not doing anything about it then. I rather listen to the guy who is being true to himself in his raps, than a huge fraud.
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You a clown son.

Talk out ya *** with nothing but empty baseless statements.

What did the guy I quoted do? Say that Nas is talking about grown man things while JAY-Z isnt? If that isnt baseless and empty then IDK what is. 

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post #36 of 52

nope, and 

Confessions of Fire>S.D.E.

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post #37 of 52
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You a clown son.


Talk out ya *** with nothing but empty baseless statements.
What did the guy I quoted do? Say that Nas is talking about grown man things while JAY-Z isnt? If that isnt baseless and empty then IDK what is. 
I swear you're such a stan it's like you only read what you want to read or just make up **** and say that's what was said. That person actually stated their opinion and even stated the difference between the two when it comes to content now. He specifically said he didn't relate while you emotionally reacted like a lame saying things you couldn't back up if you tried.
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And I didn't? The only real difference between the two posts was wording and I will definitely admit that I worded it in a way that was intended on taking a shot at nas.

But seriously I relate to JAY-Zs music way more than his. I don't think his persona on his raps are genuine, he always seems like he's only saying "grown man things" because he knows it will evoke a specific response from the public, on the other hand JAY-Z will sit on the other side and rap about being a hundred millionaire and expensive paintings knowing that it can easily garner a negative response from many but not caring about. To me that is staying true to yourself. If that makes me a Stan then eh....
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post #39 of 52
Comparisons aside, this was a great album smokin.gif

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post #40 of 52
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And I didn't? The only real difference between the two posts was wording and I will definitely admit that I worded it in a way that was intended on taking a shot at nas.

But seriously I relate to JAY-Zs music way more than his. I don't think his persona on his raps are genuine, he always seems like he's only saying "grown man things" because he knows it will evoke a specific response from the public, on the other hand JAY-Z will sit on the other side and rap about being a hundred millionaire and expensive paintings knowing that it can easily garner a negative response from many but not caring about. To me that is staying true to yourself. If that makes me a Stan then eh....

Talking about the black man's plight in a country where the majority are Caucasian is far from a subject that will gain you plenty of fans. Especially when they are also the majority of music buyers. But that's your opinion so...
post #41 of 52
I will agree that some of Hov's more recent albums have been lackluster but to say his music doesn't age well is absurd if you ask me. All of his classics will forever be classics. RD, Blueprint, Vol 2, Black Album, and AG all sound just as good as when they came out. Vol 3 will forever be trash, so will a majority of vol 1 and kingdom come. But to say Nas classic will be viewed differently or held higher than hov's classics over time is ridiculous. And that boy nas still has a ****** ear for beats, at least when hov phones it in it's still listenable because of production. When Nas phones it in, forget about it
post #42 of 52
Nas had the weakest verse on Maybach Curtains. He was with Ross and Meek Mill. That says a lot..
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And I didn't? The only real difference between the two posts was wording and I will definitely admit that I worded it in a way that was intended on taking a shot at nas.

But seriously I relate to JAY-Zs music way more than his. I don't think his persona on his raps are genuine, he always seems like he's only saying "grown man things" because he knows it will evoke a specific response from the public, on the other hand JAY-Z will sit on the other side and rap about being a hundred millionaire and expensive paintings knowing that it can easily garner a negative response from many but not caring about. To me that is staying true to yourself. If that makes me a Stan then eh....

Talking about the black man's plight in a country where the majority are Caucasian is far from a subject that will gain you plenty of fans. Especially when they are also the majority of music buyers. But that's your opinion so...
It will when the main demographic you're trying to market yourself to is black people. He could very well be doing this and be 100% genuine about it, but I just don't get that feeling from him.
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nope, and 
Confessions of Fire>S.D.E.

Cam was mase's dude at that time and for him to make confessions of fire

After his homie put out da classic harlem world made me think album borderline suck.

S.D.E. redeemed him. Alot of ya forget cam was turned too soft for confessions after that

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post #45 of 52
SDE is Cam's best joint.

Seemed like he was trying to duplicate Mase's success in Confesions... And it didn't go well. He really did redeem himself on SDE. Then he dumbed down on everything after that.

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nope, and 
Confessions of Fire>S.D.E.

Nope.

While a nice debut, SDE is miles ahead of confessions.
post #47 of 52
Cam said with that being said this shouldn't even be up for discussion

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Purple Haze is a CLASSIC!!!

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post #49 of 52
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And I didn't? The only real difference between the two posts was wording and I will definitely admit that I worded it in a way that was intended on taking a shot at nas.

But seriously I relate to JAY-Zs music way more than his. I don't think his persona on his raps are genuine, he always seems like he's only saying "grown man things" because he knows it will evoke a specific response from the public, on the other hand JAY-Z will sit on the other side and rap about being a hundred millionaire and expensive paintings knowing that it can easily garner a negative response from many but not caring about. To me that is staying true to yourself. If that makes me a Stan then eh....
Nah not at all. That guy agreed with someone else that Jay's music has aged badly and then went on to speak about content, subject matter and how he doesn't relate to it.

All you did was take weak shots at Nas to make yourself look even more like a stan for Jay/Nas hater. That's all you did.

What I think your problem is on a topic like this is you can't accept other ppl having a different opinion from you because you have an extreme bias.

Now you can go ahead and defend Jay and come up with any interpretation for why his music has this content and spin it w/e way you like but that's just your view on it. Don't make it true, right, or a fact. You have to deal with that. I can easily say the opposite of what you're saying as far as content. What Jay talks about easily gets him a pass cuz he's talking about what most ppl don't have, pitching the same get rich living the lavish life ****. That is not going to easily garner more negativity. That's just ppl calling out that bull **** as far as the message in his music. What that comes down to is target audience though, just cuz you like it and can relate it does not mean that other Jay fans do, they just might want to be sold a dream.
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I cant really relate to JAY-Z's music either, I never moved weight and I'm not a millionaire. Its still the best product out IMO
Son which is it then?

What's with this blatant hypocrisy in two different threads?

You relate to Jay's music more to Nas yet you don't relate to Jay's music either? Nas' rap content is less relate-able than Jay-Z's?
Edited by Master Zik - 2/4/13 at 7:43pm
post #50 of 52

Come on man, I'm not that intolerant of other peoples opinionslaugh.gif
 

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post #51 of 52
SDE is Cam's best lyrical work...one of my favorite albums.

I'd say its about on par to AG and behind RD, BP, BA
post #52 of 52
S.D.E. is nice but some of the production is terrible. Cam will always be one of my favorite rappers but his biggest downfall is his beats. I know he has plenty of classic records Killa Cam, Get Em Girls and Oh Boy but a lot of his albums the production is bad.


As for my man riding for Jay in this thread, my point is. I can listen to Street's Disciple or Life is Good and what NaS is talking about on a lot of those records I can apply to my life today. He speaks some good **** that a lot of people need to hear. I've bought EVERY Jay album. His latest albums Blueprint 3 and American Gangster, i can apply any of that to my life. You hear records like Stay, Bye Baby, Trust, Daughters and a few others. They can teach a grown man more about life than anything Jay has dropped from his last few albums.
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