Let's face it, Jay-Z is the bar in which we compare rappers to because he is the best. PERIOD

Absolutely correct

Great rapper but hasn't made an album that lyrically separates him from anyone else since 97. ALBUM, not song. He's got plenty of lyrical songs but his albums are always commercial.

A lot of people, many of you on here included, consider him to be the best because of his status, the money, the girl, and the limelight.

Hate to break it to you, and antidope, he isn't the best rapper... in my opinion of course.

Like I listen to his guest verses that he drops lately and it's so wack bruh but everyone eats it up because it's Jay

That's when you know someone isn't as great as they are made out to be when their mediocre crap gets hailed as best thing because it's being based off of their status and fanbase.

Negative. Haven't paid him any mind since 2002

Jay is the GOAT

Fab is the most consistent.

I'm a Jay fan but I also know that he's overrated as hell.

He's no where close to the best/most talented MC/rapper ever.....lyrically or song wise.

He's had the Greatest Career of All Time, no question.....but MC's like Nas, Pun and Em rap circles around him, post RD

Ya'll just be out here saying the most outlandish isht lol. No wonder I come in here less and less.

Not surprised at who made this thread.

Fallacies upon fallacies.

Might as well rename it Jay-Z Stan Convention. I mean really man were your jimmies that rustled by that SDE thread?

Jay-z has YET to make a album better then it was written or illmatic, hell Lost tapes is better then 99% of hova's discography and those were discarded Tracks

from da butchered I am... second disc.

his classic reasonable doubt is a canal street bootleg of only built for cuban linx, from da concept to da raps.

try again OP.

In terms of success, substance, best catalog,  impact, longevity, and ability? Yes. He's the perfect rapper in that sense.

 

You couldn't say someone like Nas because he hasn't had the success of a Jay Z. I like Nas tho. Him and Jay are definitely the two greatest to ever do it.

 

Can't really say Em because . . . let's face it Em is a cornball, never could really rock with him. Definitely probably the most successful rapper in terms of straight up numbers.

 

But if you disagree . . . If not Jay, who?

Edited by Meek Meals - 2/2/13 at 8:49pm

These Jay-Z stan threads are getting outta control

Blatant hating going on in both directions on the music forum today

Nah.

Co-MF sign

No way

Lyrically?

Eminem

I can get down with this.

Great post OP. I agree with this. Repped.

The Jay hate on this forum has reached unprecedented levels.

no, just no.

Get out.

Jay Z is NOT the bar. He is the pinnacle. The bar means standard. Pinnacle is the top/best.
I disagree tho. He is the pinnacle of "success" : respected among peers (other rappers) and globally,
Successful wife and kid, wealthy, and accomplished. Hes not the best rapper tho. Ide say Em.
He bodied Biggie, Jay, Wayne, and everyone else he ever rhymed wit. The QUALITY of his
Discography is comparable, has more mainstream successs, and damn near deemed untouchable
by his peers( norapper in their right mind wanted war wit him. He only.beefed wit weirdos)

Rakim set the standard.

at OP starting a JayZ circle jerk thread for no reason.....

Never seen so much truth spoken in one post!

Couldnt agree more. Hit the nail on the head with this post.

Jay to me has gotten lazy the past couple years. He knows that no matter what he does people are gonna eat it up so the effort isnt really there anymore. Kanye's beats are what carries most of his songs.

Now if you ask me who is a Better rapper to me is Nas or Eminem.

Music is subjective but one thing Hov makes sure he does is cover all bases and gives just enough polictics,emotion, and personal story to feel authentic. 

 

Not sure how people don't consider him one of the best if not thee best lyricist tho.  Hov has bars for days while having flow and some content within his rhymes.

 

He's #1 to me. While he can't/won't do a Tupac or Nas type song.  They can't do what he does either

Agreed.

That's one hell of a statement.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree... i'm not saying you're right or wrong... i'm just saying that's one hell of a statement.

"Rakim set the standard"

Indeed.

Even if these new kids don't mention him by name you can bet your bottom dollar that they were influenced by someone... who was DIRECTLY influenced by Rakim (Jay,Nas etc).

You just can't avoid the God.