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illmatic = reasonable doubt

 

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif @ even comparing them...

 

yall throwin rocks at the throne just cause now...saying dude only has one good album, or the lost tapes >> his discography..lol..the disrespect is blatant

 

 

 

get real, yall kno jay miles ahead of anybody not named biggie (including tupac and nas)..its that knowledge that your hate stems from...you dont want him to be better than your fav rapper...but you know he is..

 

 

 

not even bringing up the numbers, or the 'girl' or anything else..bar for bar, song for song jay z >>>> your fav rapper(not big) ...

 

 

'cause a N wear kufi it dont mean that he bright

cause you dont understand him it dont mean that hes nice'

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illmatic = reasonable doubt

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif
 @ even comparing them...

it was written is better conceptually and lyrically than the blueprint. better story telling, imagery and singles. i like the blueprint, but its not better.
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'cause a N wear kufi it dont mean that he bright
cause you dont understand him it dont mean that hes nice'

cause a N tell you he's the nicest for his entire career doesn't make him the nicest.
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illmatic = reasonable doubt

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif
 @ even comparing them...

I don't see what's so funny about this. It Was Written is a criminally underrated album. It may not be the commercial success The Blueprint was (though it still went platinum) but it's an album full of high quality songs.
post #34 of 417

I see it like this Jay-Z is the greatest cause he proved he can make any type of song and his influence on the culture. He's really the Mike Jordan of rap. Jordan was great, but was he a better shooter than Reggie? Could he rebound better than Barkley? Did he have a better eye than Kidd? No. Just he was a great overall player and if you tested him he'll drop 10 assist, just cause. 6 rings and 11 #1 albums, no matter if Glen Rice could out shoot Jordan or if AZ can rap circles around Jay-Z, they're still the greatest. 

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illmatic = reasonable doubt

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif
 @ even comparing them...

This statement is a clear indicator of which rapper you prefer

Blueprint is great, lyrically it's great but the production is what makes it so phenomenal but let's not act like there isn't TRASH on this album.

I would take It Was Written over Blueprint without a doubt and I love Blueprint. Blueprint has some of his best work but some of the songs sound too similar after awhile.
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illmatic = reasonable doubt

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif
 @ even comparing them...

it was written is better conceptually and lyrically than the blueprint. better story telling, imagery and singles. i like the blueprint, but its not better.
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'cause a N wear kufi it dont mean that he bright
cause you dont understand him it dont mean that hes nice'

cause a N tell you he's the nicest for his entire career doesn't make him the nicest.
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I don't see what's so funny about this. It Was Written is a criminally underrated album. It may not be the commercial success The Blueprint was (though it still went platinum) but it's an album full of high quality songs.

IWW actually went double plat and I don't see how anybody other then the biggest Jay fans can say Blueprint is so much better then IWW. It as better production but going bar for bar comparing tracks on each album, Nas comes up on top
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Great post OP. I agree with this. Repped.

The Jay hate on this forum has reached unprecedented levels.

It sure has. This is the third thread on the front page where people are just tossing around JAY-Z hate. But its a consequence of being the best. When you're the best, people always have to try and discredit you and replace you with someone else who is clearly unworthy.

 

 

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illmatic = reasonable doubt

 

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif @ even comparing them...

 

yall throwin rocks at the throne just cause now...saying dude only has one good album, or the lost tapes >> his discography..lol..the disrespect is blatant

 

 

 

get real, yall kno jay miles ahead of anybody not named biggie (including tupac and nas)..its that knowledge that your hate stems from...you dont want him to be better than your fav rapper...but you know he is..

 

 

 

not even bringing up the numbers, or the 'girl' or anything else..bar for bar, song for song jay z >>>> your fav rapper(not big) ...

 

 

'cause a N wear kufi it dont mean that he bright

cause you dont understand him it dont mean that hes nice'

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It sure has. This is the third thread on the front page where people are just tossing around JAY-Z hate. But its a consequence of being the best. When you're the best, people always have to try and discredit you and replace you with someone else who is clearly unworthy.

It's also possible people are growing up and realizing certain songs or albums just don't move them anymore.
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It sure has. This is the third thread on the front page where people are just tossing around JAY-Z hate. But its a consequence of being the best. When you're the best, people always have to try and discredit you and replace you with someone else who is clearly unworthy.

It's also possible people are growing up and realizing certain songs or albums just don't move them anymore.


Unlikely. This is how the music forum has always been, Hov slander is just the cool thing to do, so people hop on the bandwagon and say crazy things like 90% of his work is bad, yet NaS' catalogue is flawless. I'm just starting to think that theres a giant trolling conspiracy going on around here.

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post #41 of 417
Da difference between nas & jay-z is da people crowned Esco da best

While hova crowned him self.

Reasonable doubt dropped and it aint nake a peep compared to more worthy

Classics that same year (fugees, it was written, all eyez on me)

Cuz he was jumpin on that mafioso rap bandwagon late & unoriginal.

There's a reason he didnt blow till vol. 2.

And who said it was written wasnt commercially successful? Lol

Back packers for years ruined da perception of that album till cooler heads

Prevailed. Thats still my favorite Nas album.

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It sure has. This is the third thread on the front page where people are just tossing around JAY-Z hate. But its a consequence of being the best. When you're the best, people always have to try and discredit you and replace you with someone else who is clearly unworthy.


It's also possible people are growing up and realizing certain songs or albums just don't move them anymore.


Unlikely. This is how the music forum has always been, Hov slander is just the cool thing to do, so people hop on the bandwagon and say crazy things like 90% of his work is bad, yet NaS' catalogue is flawless. I'm just starting to think that theres a giant trolling conspiracy going on around here.

Who the hell said all that? We all know Nas got a few duds in his catalog too. No one says he doesn't. But Jay isn't some untouchable my dude. He can get criticism thrown his way. While there have been some outlandish statements over the past few days let's not act like Jay is flawless.
post #43 of 417
Nas' catalog is not flawless but its better than Jay-z's

Blueprint better than It was written? laugh.gif

Blueprint is nice but it's not better than RD or IWW. Not even close.
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It sure has. This is the third thread on the front page where people are just tossing around JAY-Z hate. But its a consequence of being the best. When you're the best, people always have to try and discredit you and replace you with someone else who is clearly unworthy.

It's also possible people are growing up and realizing certain songs or albums just don't move them anymore.

THIS.



I appreciate Jay for the great artist and business man that he is but some of his fans really think he is some deity that can't be criticized and has no flaws.

Like...BIG doesn't have enough music, Pac wasn't lyrical enough, Nas can't make club songs, Em is corny, Cam fell off, Rakim is too old school....

BUT JAY-Z IS GOD.

Get that man's meat out of your throats. He's human like everyone else and has a lot of weaknesses musically.

If someone talks about those weakpoints it doesn't mean that they're hating.

A lot of dudes older work sounds extra average when you take your head out of the hype cloud....a lot of tracks on Vol. 1 sound like Clue tape throwaways tracks.
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post #45 of 417

Its ok man, you know the truth. SDE is better than all of JAY-Zs post RD work. Only you have realized the trutheyes.gif
 

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post #46 of 417
Jay groupies talking about Jay haters. Hysterical.

And, of course, the people right in between are making the most sense.
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illmatic = reasonable doubt

Dude is really trying to re-write history here.

Comedy.

As someone said, it's easy to see which artist you prefer. Along with the rest of the jokers in here.
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Unlikely. This is how the music forum has always been, Hov slander is just the cool thing to do, so people hop on the bandwagon and say crazy things like 90% of his work is bad, yet NaS' catalogue is flawless. I'm just starting to think that theres a giant trolling conspiracy going on around here.

laugh.gif @ "Hov slander" and the pedestal you've put this man on.

No one said anything about 90% or Nas having a flawless catalog. Stop with the hysterical projecting.

It's not a trolling conspiracy. It's just a reality that your idol worship will not allow you to grasp.

Jay, Kanye, or any artist for that matter is not above criticism. It's just laughable to see people get all bent out of shape about it.
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post #47 of 417
I think Jay, Big, Pac Nas and Em are pretty much on the same level but what separates Jay is his consistency(unfortunately we don't know how Pac and Big careers would have gone). He'll have a Kingdom Come or BP3 but for the most part he has consistently put out great albums.

Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Black Album
American Gangster

In no order those are his top 4 albums and they ish on any other rappers top 4 albums. And its funny to me how the people that say he's overrated ALWAYS compare their favorite rappers to Jay especially Cam and Nas fans. Jay is in a whole different league than Cam as a rapper. Nas and Jay... Same league but that debate been old.
post #48 of 417

When your the best, your the standard and at the top of your field.  With that being said currently, it's Jay and everybody else is a a distant second.

 

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Music is subjective but one thing Hov makes sure he does is cover all bases and gives just enough polictics,emotion, and personal story to feel authentic. 

Not sure how people don't consider him one of the best if not thee best lyricist tho.  Hov has bars for days while having flow and some content within his rhymes.

He's #1 to me. While he can't/won't do a Tupac or Nas type song.  They can't do what he does either

Agreed dude might not be the best lyricist to u guys but he's definitely is the best all around / most complete rapper
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Da difference between nas & jay-z is da people crowned Esco da best

While hova crowned him self.

Reasonable doubt dropped and it aint nake a peep compared to more worthy

Classics that same year (fugees, it was written, all eyez on me)

 

illmatic didnt have the SUCCESS other classics that came out that year either...

 

ready to die blew it out the water, and as you mentioned, only built for cuban linx also had more success....your moving the goal post now b..

 

ready to die sold 4 million in 1994, illmatic didnt go platinum until 2000...same logic your using to discredit rd can be used here...

 

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Jay groupies talking about Jay haters. Hysterical.

And, of course, the people right in between are making the most sense.
Dude is really trying to re-write history here.

Comedy.

As someone said, it's easy to see which artist you prefer. Along with the rest of the jokers in here.
laugh.gif @ "Hov slander" and the pedestal you've put this man on.

No one said anything about 90% or Nas having a flawless catalog. Stop with the hysterical projecting.

It's not a trolling conspiracy. It's just a reality that your idol worship will not allow you to grasp.

Jay, Kanye, or any artist for that matter is not above criticism. It's just laughable to see people get all bent out of shape about it.

 

not tryna reqrite history, nor am i 'idol worshipping' im using the parameters set in this post..dude said minus the numbers, minus the celebrity, minus beyonce..i didnt take any of that into account, casue that owuldnt even be fair to esco...

 

 

 

unlike alot of NTers..i dont think just because i prefer ross, that makes jeezy lame...just because i prefer Jay doesnt take anything away from nasir...i know both their discographies literally WORD FOR WORD...

 

people in here giving everybody else credit for Hovs success, its the producers, then its the others that paved the way for 'mafioso rap' ..whatever the case, hov been running rap since vol 2...

 

nasty nas is my dude, def prefer dude to tupac or eminem or some of the other 'greats'...not putting dude nowhere near hov or big tho..nowhere close.

post #52 of 417

It Was Written > The Blueprint from a rapper perspective. 

 

Just Blaze and Kanye West deserve a lot of credit for making The Blueprint the classic that it is today. Those are two producer legends who were steaming up and gave Jay Z some of their best work. Jay Z was very fortunate to have those beats, at that time, from those producers.

 

Nas had for the most part, the Trackmasters on It Was Written. Jay had one Trackasters track on the Blueprint, which also happened to be the worst song on that album, J**** that *****.

 

Now, if you take away production, It Was Written is miles ahead of The Blueprint. So from that perspective, from their performance as a rapper and what they did with the beats given to them, Nas > Jay on It Was Written and The Blueprint. 

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illmatic = reasonable doubt

the blueprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was written ..roll.gif
 @ even comparing them...

yall throwin rocks at the throne just cause now...saying dude only has one good album, or the lost tapes >> his discography..lol..the disrespect is blatant



get real, yall kno jay miles ahead of anybody not named biggie (including tupac and nas)..its that knowledge that your hate stems from...you dont want him to be better than your fav rapper...but you know he is..



not even bringing up the numbers, or the 'girl' or anything else..bar for bar, song for song jay z >>>> your fav rapper(not big) ...


'cause a N wear kufi it dont mean that he bright
cause you dont understand him it dont mean that hes nice'
It Was Written is a better overall album than The Blueprint
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post #54 of 417

So basically ya'll just wanna talk about It Was Written?  Reading this thread it looks like nitpicking and not looking at the big picture. 

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illmatic didnt have the SUCCESS other classics that came out that year either...

ready to die blew it out the water, and as you mentioned, only built for cuban linx also had more success....your moving the goal post now b..

ready to die sold 4 million in 1994, illmatic didnt go platinum until 2000...same logic your using to discredit rd can be used here...


not tryna reqrite history, nor am i 'idol worshipping' im using the parameters set in this post..dude said minus the numbers, minus the celebrity, minus beyonce..i didnt take any of that into account, casue that owuldnt even be fair to esco...



unlike alot of NTers..i dont think just because i prefer ross, that makes jeezy lame...just because i prefer Jay doesnt take anything away from nasir...i know both their discographies literally WORD FOR WORD...

people in here giving everybody else credit for Hovs success, its the producers, then its the others that paved the way for 'mafioso rap' ..whatever the case, hov been running rap since vol 2...

nasty nas is my dude, def prefer dude to tupac or eminem or some of the other 'greats'...not putting dude nowhere near hov or big tho..nowhere close.

No where near Jay or BIG? laugh.gif ok guy.
post #56 of 417
I can't even have this debate on the internet because Jay stans like to tip toe around facts too much. I need them to look me in the eye and say some blasphemous **** like Jay is better than 2pac, Nas or Em.
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I can't even have this debate on the internet because Jay stans like to tip toe around facts too much. I need them to look me in the eye and say some blasphemous **** like Jay is better than 2pac, Nas or Em.
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post #58 of 417

Not only was It Was Written better than the Blueprint but Stillmatic that dropped that same year was better. You Jay-Z fans are going to need to start justifying some of your ludicrous statement because I see really good points from one side and then I hear a bunch of dudes salty that people don't think he is the greatest of all time. So let's break this down, what makes "Blue Print" so great? Was it that it dropped on 9/11 because besides that, I don't see much material that would equate this to be a great album. Production solely does not make a great album and that's the only thing the Blue Print has. What is Jay saying lyrically on IZZO, Girls, Girls, Girls, J**** That N***a?? Y'all still jamming out to Hola Hovito or All I Need? Renegade is the easily the best track with lyrical content, and he was CLEARLY out shined by Eminem. And please stop with this consistency talk because if you're not talking about Jay putting out albums from 96-03 then I don't want to hear it because I want to know what the hell has happened over the last decade for his name to still be in the same sentence with consistency.

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illmatic didnt have the SUCCESS other classics that came out that year either...

 

ready to die blew it out the water, and as you mentioned, only built for cuban linx also had more success....your moving the goal post now b..

 

ready to die sold 4 million in 1994, illmatic didnt go platinum until 2000...same logic your using to discredit rd can be used here...

 

 

 

 

Ready to die didn't sell 4 million albums in 1994, it took like 2 years for that album to sell 2 million copies. And after that it pushed 4 mill

post #60 of 417
Take all of the "greats" (Em, Nas, Big, Pac, Jay) in their prime and put them all on the same wack beat, no chorus help or anything. Jay's song will be the worst (not meaning it will be bad). I would bet my last dollar on it. Thats a big picture for you. Take Big and Pac out of the equation, and do it right now. You will get the same result.
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