2013 New York Yankees season thread Vol. (85-77) OFFSEASON

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i mean i know the old man doesn't know how to use twitter...so no way he saw all those BS tweets about that ridiculous deal they had :lol:
 
U mother #&*@ers :lol:

I'm at work and I got people txting me bad info. I'm asking everywhere but nothing.

I hate matlock , I watch cheers .... even though its from Boston ...
 
onewearz said:
U mother #&*@ers :lol:

I'm at work and I got people txting me bad info. I'm asking everywhere but nothing.

I hate matlock , I watch cheers .... even though its from Boston ...
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Woooooooooooooooooo Cheers... You sure that isn't a little too current for you?
 
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Love that **** . Been watchin on netflix since ep 1.

Going to to some work, keep me updated ...
 
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Can't wait till u a##holes are being made fun of for watching the walking dead and remembering wifi.

I can't wait to park at the door for real ... 2 from 40 :smokin
 
Essential1 said:
Man I teach I'm only 24 and half the **** I know is ancient to 18 year olds.
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I was talking to my daughter's about a show called battle of the network stars and they literally looked at me like I had something till I showed em on YouTube. Look it up whoever don't remember. It was stars from shows competing in sports. I feel mad old right now :lol:
 
My sources just hit me up and said $200 mil for 8 is the mariners offer. Yanks gotta keep him ..
 
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With Ticket Revenue Down, Yankees Must Keep Spending
A Revealing Look at Their Ticket Revenue Shows the Importance of Making the Playoffs
By Brian Costa

When the Yankees announced their $85 million signing of catcher Brian McCann earlier this week, owner Hal Steinbrenner cited the team's "singular and unwavering desire" to play deep into October. That desire likely will be mentioned again when the Yankees announce their seven-year, $153 million deal with ex-Red Sox outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury in the coming days.

But a look at the Yankees' finances reveals that a lust for trophies isn't the only thing fueling this free-agent splurge. When the Yankees fail to make the playoffs, as they did in 2013, their revenues plummet.

Proceeds from ticket sales and stadium suite licenses alone totaled $295 million through Sept. 30 this year, according to public records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. That is down from $353 million in 2012, $377 million in 2011 and $384 million in 2010, the records show.

The figures appeared on financial statements the Yankees are required to file with the city to demonstrate their ability to make payments on the bonds used in the construction of Yankee Stadium. Attendance represents just one of the Yankees' revenue streams, but it highlights the enormity of the financial incentives for the team to make the playoffs.

People with knowledge of the team's finances said the drop-off from 2012 is almost entirely a result of the fact that they missed the playoffs for the first time since 2008.

Had the Yankees failed to reach the playoffs in 2012, their ticket and suite revenues would have been closer to $300 million rather than $353 million, the people said. Similarly, in 2010 and 2011, postseason games accounted for $59 million and $58 million of all such revenues, respectively.

In other words, a Yankees team that wins 93 games and makes the playoffs brings in about 15% more ticket and suite revenue than a Yankees team that wins 88 games and misses the playoffs. And that is to say nothing of the boost in merchandise and concession sales and next-year ticket sales.

"What this clearly shows is that the Yankees' whole financial equation is built around winning," said Vince Gennaro, author of "Diamond Dollars: The Economics of Winning in Baseball" and a consultant to major-league teams. "If you take that away, they become mere mortals from a financial standpoint."

Whether the additions of McCann and Ellsbury, whose deal was still being completed Wednesday, will be enough to get back to October remains to be seen. They remain in talks with Robinson Cano, and they need to shore up their pitching.

But the Yankees were an old and injury-battered team in 2013 and still managed to win 85 games. According to FanGraphs, Ellsbury and McCann had a combined value of 8.5 wins more than the expected value of a Triple-A fill-in this year. If Cano returns and CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira have bounce-back seasons, it could add up to a return to the playoffs.

If that happens, lavishing a combined $238 million on Ellsbury and McCann and perhaps $170 million or more on Cano will be well worth it.

"The financial payoff at this juncture, coming off a missed postseason, is way more than any other team stands to gain by improving themselves by three, four, five, six wins—whatever the number might be," Gennaro said. "Some people will say, 'Well, is it an overpay?' With the Yankees, that's the wrong question. The second-biggest problem the Yankees could have is overpaying for a free agent. The biggest problem is not getting the free agent they need to get back to the postseason and make a deep run into it."

If all had gone to plan, the Yankees wouldn't have needed to spend much on free agents at all. Steinbrenner believes the team shouldn't require an exorbitant payroll to win championships. And he is right: A better farm system would make such an outlay less of a necessity.

But the Yankees' farm system took a step backward in 2013. There are no top prospects primed to reinvigorate the franchise. And so they faced a choice: Remain conservative, don't bet too much on 2014 and adopt a more patient, long-term mind-set. Or go out and do whatever it takes to assemble a legitimate contender for 2014.

Door No. 1 would have made it easier to bring the payroll under the $189 million luxury tax threshold in 2014. But the Yankees still believe they can do so, even with McCann, Ellsbury, Cano and perhaps a free-agent starting pitcher on board.

And if they don't? Their bottom line will take a hit. But considering how much their revenues plunge when they miss the playoffs, it beats the alternative.

"I know there's people out there who have said, 'Well, the Yankees just have this money machine that just keeps printing money,'" Gennaro said. "Let me tell you: If the Yankees were an 85-win team or an 83-win team for three or four years in a row, they would suffer financially orders of magnitude more than any other franchise."
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Gotta spend money to make money
 
As for the $189mil plan.. Let's assume A-Rod is suspended for the whole season because no way this happens if he is on the team next year.


Current on the roster:

Teix - $23.125
C.C. - $23.00
Ellsbury - $21.00
McCann - $17.00
Jeter - $12.00
Ichiro - $6.5
Soriano - $5.00
Kelly Johnson - $3.00
Ryan - $2.00

9 players - $112.625 million (assumes Vernon Wells will be cut).


Cano - $26
Kuroda - $15


11 players - $153.625 million


Arbitration players (projected by MLB Trade Rumors):
Robertson - $5.07
Gardner - $4
Nova - $2.8

14 players - $165.495million
($23.505 mil from threshold)

We are still missing a 3B, RF/DH, Backup Catcher, Backup 1B, 4th Starter (Couldn't find Pineda's estimates), 5th Starter, Long Reliever, Closer, Lefty Specialist, 2 More Relievers

These 11 players have to come at an average of $2.13million

A good 5th starter, closer & lefty specialist alone puts us over $189mil


Staying under $189million would mean 2 huge holes at the bottom of our lineup, a terrible 5th starter, and mediocre bullpen. If they spent $260mil on Ellsbury & McCann, you can't have these types of holes on the roster and expect to win a world series.
 
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Ballerific703 said:
What the **** am I gonna do with my Granderson jersey? SMMFH
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Same thing I did with my swisher jersey

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I thought Curtis was gonna be around for a while :smh: Might throw it on eBay but I doubt I'll get anything


onewearz said:
My sources just hit me up and said $200 mil for 8 is the mariners offer. Yanks gotta keep him ..
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Mariners need to offer at least 220 to make it even interesting for Cano. They'll use this offer to try to get more money from us BUT they're a small market team and he won't leave NY for that.

Yankees have to raise their deal. I'm guessing 180-190. 200 is possible but NY knows what they're doing.
 
Andrew Marchand ‏@AndrewMarchand 18m

With proposed new posting system, if Yanks sign Cano, then they will likely need A-Rod's money to come off books to get Tanaka & under $189M
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Andrew Marchand ‏@AndrewMarchand 10h

Been told same thing about $175M max for Cano, but at the end of day I sort of see Yanks adding a $25M team option/$8M buyout & get to $200M
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News on Tanaka...not sounding all that great for the Yanks.

Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball are reportedly close to an agreement on a new posting system that would cap the fee at $20 million, but there is growing concern that the overhaul might result in the Rakuten Golden Eagles declining to post star pitcher Masahiro Tanaka, according to multiple reports.

More: NPB will reportedly accept MLB's proposal
Tanaka could be offered a nine-figure contract in addition to the posting fee, which likely wouldn't have been the case under the old system. The proposed agreement would direct more of the money Tanaka's way and less to his NPB club. That might steer teams away from posting their players in the future, an executive of one American League team told Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan.

If Tanaka's club decides to keep him off the market, the impact it would have on the MLB trade market could be huge. Teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers and others who would likely be the de facto front-runners on signing Tanaka might instead focus their attention on trying to acquire a pitcher such as the Rays' David Price, who is under team control for two more seasons, or another front-line starter.

Tanaka's potential unavailability may also place a higher premium on starting pitchers such as Ubaldo Jimenez and Ervin Santana, both of whom remain on the free-agent market.
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Essential1 said:
As for the $189mil plan.. Let's assume A-Rod is suspended for the whole season because no way this happens if he is on the team next year.


Current on the roster:

Teix - $23.125
C.C. - $23.00
Ellsbury - $21.00
McCann - $17.00
Jeter - $12.00
Ichiro - $6.5
Soriano - $5.00
Kelly Johnson - $3.00
Ryan - $2.00

9 players - $112.625 million (assumes Vernon Wells will be cut).


Cano - $26
Kuroda - $15


11 players - $153.625 million


Arbitration players (projected by MLB Trade Rumors):
Robertson - $5.07
Gardner - $4
Nova - $2.8

14 players - $165.495million
($23.505 mil from threshold)

We are still missing a 3B, RF/DH, Backup Catcher, Backup 1B, 4th Starter (Couldn't find Pineda's estimates), 5th Starter, Long Reliever, Closer, Lefty Specialist, 2 More Relievers

These 11 players have to come at an average of $2.13million

A good 5th starter, closer & lefty specialist alone puts us over $189mil


Staying under $189million would mean 2 huge holes at the bottom of our lineup, a terrible 5th starter, and mediocre bullpen. If they spent $260mil on Ellsbury & McCann, you can't have these types of holes on the roster and expect to win a world series.
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honestly, I think the Yankees and management threw away their "proposed BS" plan of 189 mil when they realized in how bad of shape they were last year and how not making the playoffs this year would effect them.
 
I think the 189 is still a goal but I don't think it'll happen.

I could see Cano getting his 200 mil due to an option or something
 
Look we really can't let Cano go... Doesn't mean we need to match the 10 year / $240... Offer him 7 year - $200mil..

Doesn't kill us.. It's an extra $4mil a year..


Year 5, 6 & 7 will be painful.. But Year 1,2,3,4 will be painful without Cano.

If you were sick to your stomach that we let Mo and Andy bounce without another World Series, you better feel the same way about letting Cap go out like that as well.
 
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