2013 New York Yankees season thread Vol. (85-77) OFFSEASON

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Mark Reynolds wants to come back.

Definitely should keep him. As our DH, or maybe our 3B until A-Rod comes back.

Still working on what we should do. Unfortunately I'm not a man of few words.
 
The 4 Year Window Plan

It’s time that the Steinbrenners faced reality that as long as they have A-Rod, C.C. & Teixiera taking up $75mil for the next 3-4, there is no way that you can responsibly get under $189million, unless you are willing to not even bother to contend. This is something George knew. As long as he had 3-4 large contracts, there is no way to conserve money, unless you are willing to throw out a team that cannot even win 75 wins. A-Rod has 4 years left on his contract, Teixeira has 3, C.C. has 3. So this is a 3-4 year plan to get **** together and try to pull 2 World Series titles at whatever cost. Once 2017 and 2018 hit. That’s when you can decide what you want to do. Because the investment of $189mil and missing the playoffs, is no more financially smart than spending $230mil, $240mil, $250mil and recouping a large amount of your costs. It’s not like we’re the Rays and the difference between playoffs and missing it doesn’t have much financial impact. When the Yankees make the playoffs, or win the world series they make A LOT of money.

I’ll start with the field because it is what I’m most clear about. The Yankees are not a small ball team, they never will be. Nor do they play in a Stadium that allows it. From 2012 to 2013 our batting averaged dropped from .265 (8th) to .243 (24th), OBP dropped from .337 (2nd) to .308 (23rd), Slugging .453 (1st) to .377 (28th), Runs 2nd to 17th with a drop off of 1 run per game, HRs 245 (1st) to 143 (21st), 2B 280 (12th) down to 244 (25th). How bad have the Yankees been offensively, almost every stat the Mets are within 3 or 4 spots of the Yankees.

Catcher

View media item 600376This position is a mess. For all the prospects we have, and all the acclaim about everyone, we don’t have a single catcher that can hit and field at an above average rate. Even Romine who hits but doesn’t field and Stewart who can field but can’t hit, do not do it at a rate that is acceptable to ignore their 1 dimensional game.

Unload the entire catching farm system. With the exception of Sanchez who is 2-3 years away from everything that I have heard. Get what you can from them because none of those guys (with the exception of Sanchez) will develop to an acceptable spot.

The production from our catchers in 496 at bats.. .211BA 8HR 43RBIs. Cervelli who played 17 games had 3 HRs 8RBIs, and about 12% of the at-bats,

The right move is to go after Brian McCann. Very good lefty power hitter. Like almost all lefty power hitters, he has a great swing for the Stadium. There would be two things working for us in getting McCann 1. He is a catcher 2. He will be 30 entering the season. 3. His health is not the most reliable

If the Yankees get him, they could hit him 6th or 7th in the order, get 20-25 HRs and restore themselves as a team that is always dangerous, no lead is safe. And we have a place holder to Sanchez who we all hope is the next franchise guy at Catcher.

You can play McCann 100 games at catcher, 30 or so at DH, and preserve him for a few years. He’s likely to go to the AL just because of his age, his injury history and the ability to DH to prolong his career.

If you can get him for 3 year / $45mil, do it. But it will probably take 4 year $55mil to get him. I may be overvaluing him as well. Just looking at other guys around his age.

Yadier Molina signed a 5 year / $75 mil before 2012 at 29 years old. Franchise guy, and no injury history.

Miguel Montero signed 5 year / $60mil going into his 29 years old season after having a year like McCann did this year


As for backup Catcher. Whoever is left over after unloading all those guys will be the backup catcher. Your backup catcher is almost always pretty bad in terms of hitting, so I could care less.

First Baseman

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Not having Mark Teixiera was big in us being an 85 win team as opposed to 95 wins. Regardless if you think he’s soft or not that was 30 homeruns 100 RBIs in the middle of your lineup not to mention a wizard at 1st.

Overbay didn’t do too bad in Tex’s absence, so if it came down to it, I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing him back, but I think there are a couple of Corner Infield guys on the market (2 are current Yankees, 1 a Former Yankee) that can play backup and be a part of our contingency at Third.


Second Base

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Cano is crazy if he thinks he will get 10 year / $305 mil. He denies that number coming from him, but I think it was floated to see the reaction. Cubs, Angels will go after him. No way I see him going to Chicago there is no future there, I really couldn’t tell you anything they have going for themselves. Angels will be careful considering they just made 2 huge contracts in Pujols and Hamilton. Both look like they were must do deals, but now look like mistakes. Cano looks like a can’t miss have to deal, but they’ll be apprehensive. The Dodgers, I doubt go after Cano for two reasons. 1. If they go after Cano, they lose Hanley. An absolute certainty. They’d be paying $140 mil on 6 guys for 4 years before you factor in anyone else, and have Hanley to look at. Also Alexander Guerrero is close to being a Dodger. 7 years, $32 mil basically ends going after Cano.

I am not opposed to paying Cano. Or giving him a long deal. Whenever I see people say if he wants more than 5 years, let him walk makes me cringe. He is by far the best player at his position. Extremely smart hitter, each year adds more power, and is a very solid fielder. He also has been by-in-large our best player since 2009.

I’d go out and give Cano 8 year / $200 mil. I’d front load the money as well. 14 – 17 give him $30 mil a year, 18-19 $25mil, 20 $20mil, 21 $10mil. The next 4 years he’d be making double that of the next 2nd Baseman. I’d prefer 7 year / $150, but we all know that is not going to get it done. It’d be my initial offer, and see where he’s at, and close in on the extra year + $50mil over the life of the contract.

My honest opinion is that if we let Cano walk, the Yankees will be a bottom dweller in the AL East for a number of years.


Third Base
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I don’t see how A-Rod will get out of a suspension. Extremely doubtful that he gets suspended for steroids because there is no positive test, but he did lie to MLB, impeded their investigation, and did have ties to someone who was giving PED’s to players. I don’t see him getting 214 games because there is no precedent for that long of a suspension for ambiguous charges, but I could see him missing out on the season up to the All-Star Break.

There are a few options for Third Base, and as I alluded to before backing up 1st Base as well.

My #1 choice is to go after Eric Chavez everyone knows how bad I wanted Eric Chavez to stay. I want him back. He did great for us in 2012. Had decent year in 2013 before he was injured. Good fielder, solid hitter. And can also play 1st as well.

Mark Reynolds said he wants to come back, so you put him at DH, and when Tex needs rest move Chavez to first, Reynolds to 3rd. A-Rod is a 20-25 HR guy, 70-85RBIs. Mark Reynolds does strike out a lot, as does everyone on this team. But he will put up the numbers that A-Rod would just at a lesser Batting Average.

Then there is Youk. Would have been nice to have him healthy. If we miss out on 1 of the 2 in Reynolds or Chavez then replace them with Youk. Same thing can play third andbackup Teixeria at 1st.

This is also extremely strategic to get 2 of those 3 guys because whenever A-Rod comes back, hopefully before All-Star Break, you have a solid hitter in Reynolds, Chavez, or Youk to shop around to a team in the hunt for a mid-level prospect.

Shortstop

View media item 600397Sucked not to have Jeter. He is old, but let’s not act like he didn’t put up over 200 hits in 2012. The thing is finding him an extra game or two a month to sit out to stay fresh.
The backup is not Nunez. For all the bluster about we need him because he can hit. He is not a good hitter. His fielding has gotten considerably better, but it is still pretty bad. It’s time to let him go. He’ll land on another team, but where Jeter is at in his career, we need someone who can somewhat hit.

Outfield
Where I think some of you will disagree with me.

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Left Field – I believe Soriano should be in left. Soriano has never been considered a good fielder, but he was actually really solid. He also is the perfect guy to hit around Cano. If Cano gets on, you have a pure fastball hitter who will jump on first pitch fastball if you try to groove it in.
Center Field – I think it is a good idea to not only bring back Granderson, but to do it for multiple years. He is a VERY good fielder. Smart on the base paths, and as we have seen great for the Stadium. The hope is that because he is a high strike out guy, over 30, and his numbers are Yankee stadium inflated that he will have a more difficult time on the market. I think his market is exactly like Nick Swisher’s. Whereas Swisher was expendable with Grandy, Gardy & Ichiro already on the roster, I think you run into trouble and create a huge hole in your lineup power and run producer-wise by letting him go. 4 year / $52 mil, or 3 year / $45mil with a 4th year buyout.
Rightfield – I love Ichiro, but he is no longer an everyday guy. He is an insurance guy. Injuries, rest, late game situations he’s your man. All of that can get him 90 games. I think he knows he won’t be an everyday guy next year. This means Gardner will be our right fielder. He is a very good leadoff guy, decent fielder.

Backups in the outfield – Obviously Ichiro is one. The second, due to we have no choice because he is on contract, Vernon Wells. Considering we’d have 4 guys in front of him, no need to play him.


Designated Hitter –
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Two guys I want are Carlos Beltran or Nelson Cruz. I think it would be great to have either, but it’d be farfetched. I’d call to let them know I was interested, but wouldn’t commit a lot of money to any deal. Only way I go after them persistently is if Granderson leaves. PLEASE DON’T. The much more plausible is to keep Mark Reynolds, and make him the DH instead of having him as the starting 3B, you have Youkillis or Chavez as starting 3B. Since Reynolds is not an everyday guy, it allows us to rest key guys (Jeter, McCann) by getting them days at DH.


Batting Order:
1 – Gardner – RF- L
2 – Jeter – SS - R
3- Cano – 2B - L
4- Soriano – LF - R
5 – Teixiera – 1B - S
6 – McCann – C - L
7 – Granderson – CF - L
8 – Reynolds – DH – R
9 – Chavez or Youkillis – 3B – L or R

Bench:
C – Whoever
MIF – Anyone but Nunez
OF – Ichiro
OF – Wells
 
Great post. :nthat:

Agree that McCann is the play at catcher.

Your Cano contract numbers are ideal, but he is out there to get PAID. I would back up a Brink's truck to keep him at second base for the next 7 years... Don't care what it costs.

As far as A-Rod goes, I see his suspension lasting long past the All-Star Break. Reynolds is fine with me, crazy pop in his bat. Wouldn't hate if Youk stuck around either to backup the corners.


With a full year of Tex and Grandy, we would still be playing baseball right now... :smh:
 
NotoriousLAR said:
Great post. :nthat:

Agree that McCann is the play at catcher.

Your Cano contract numbers are ideal, but he is out there to get PAID. I would back up a Brink's truck to keep him at second base for the next 7 years... Don't care what it costs.

As far as A-Rod goes, I see his suspension lasting long past the All-Star Break. Reynolds is fine with me, crazy pop in his bat. Wouldn't hate if Youk stuck around either to backup the corners.


With a full year of Tex and Grandy, we would still be playing baseball right now... :smh:
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I will be very, very, veryyyyyyyyy upset if we don't do this.
 
I'd give Cano 7 years. Cashman also said that the $189 million figure wasnt a mandate so we will see what happens.


Some FAs that popped into my head not already named were.

Saltalamacchia
Beltran
Pence
Lester
 
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Pence already resigned with SF.

>Granderson

>good defense

Pick one.

This team has more like a 2 year window and I think even that's being generous.
 
Some levity to lessen the sting of missing the postseason:

 
He's a franchise guy. If it takes 7, you give 7. There is not someone even remotely close to his caliber at his position
 
Great News.. Dodgers are out with Cano. Could be bluffing, but it sounds like they are serious.

The reason cited was Kershaw. They have to PAY Kershaw a crap load soon, Hanley is expiring soon, and they already can get the Cuban 2B for a similar amount of Years for a third of the price. The negotiations with Guerrero stalled at 5 year / $32mil. But even if it was 5 year / $42 mil, it is a lot less than going after Cano, and they'd still have a lot of room to resign guys, and go after a few pieces. If they get Cano, they have very little financial room to improve year-to-year.

If you max out for Cano, Dodgers will be looking at over $250mil in salaries a year, and each year growing.


Also Girardi apparently got a big offer from the Yankees. No indication what that is. If they are going to increase his salary to keep him, that means they definitely do not care about $189 anymore.
If Girardi leaves, or decides to sit it out for a bit. I'm hoping Willie Randolph gets a shot here.

And Chad Curtis faces 7-15 years for kissing/fondling teenage girls when he was a substitute teacher.
 
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So I’ve looked at the hitting side of the team, in case you missed it, the post is on this page, and much more in-depth.. Here’s what it said in very quick breakdown

Every big Free Agent that we have, needs to be resigned.

C – Brian McCann (MUST SIGN) - (Whoever out of Romine, Cervelli, JR Murphy, Stewart is left after you clear out the position)
1B – Mark Teixiera / (Backup: See 3B)
2B – Robinson Cano
3B – Eric Chavez or Kevin Youkillis / Mark Reynolds (Whoever is backup at 3B, also backups 1B)
SS – Jeter / (Anyone but Nunez)
LF – Soriano / Wells
CF - Granderson
RF – Gardner / Suzuki
DH – Mark Reynolds

Would be a great power lineup that will score a lot of runs.

Now to pitching..


Rotation
It is a 2 year move to get the rotation the way we need it.

SP # 1 – C.C. Sabathia had a meh year. I expect him to come back and have a very good year next year through figuring out his stuff. How to work with its changing nature as he gets older.

He is great friends with Andy, so I’m sure despite Andy retiring, he will give him some pointers on how to adapt.

SP # 2 - ??? . I have very few answers here. Only thing that I can think of is hope that team tries to unload a #2 or #3 as part of a fire sale. I love Nova, don’t like him as a #2. Pineda has #2 stuff, but hasn’t proved anything due to injury. Free Agency the best pitcher is Garza, and I’m not into him. But if there is no other options, you have to make him your #2 for a year, and then move him down the rotation.
I doubt there is any way that they trade him to us, but I would unload the farm for him in David Price. It looks more and more likely that the Rays may get rid of him to save money because the rotation after Price is solid, and “Don’t need him”. He has 2 years on his contract, and doubtful that the Rays will lock him up long term for big bucks. There are a lot of teams in front of us in better position to get Price, also we have the in-Division problem. But I’d trade “the future” for what Price would do for the rotation for 3-5 years.


SP # 3 – Ivan Nova. After being sent down he came back with a new frame of mind and was absolutely masterful. Nova is a very good pitcher, who has good stuff, just battles with consistency.

SP # 4 - Michael Pineda. Looks like 2014 is finally the year we see him. He has #2 stuff, but due to injury, I don’t trust him. As a #4, he has no pressure, will normally get favorable matchups.

SP #5 – Hiroki Kuroda - Over the entire season, he was our best pitcher. But basically had an awful last month and a half of the season. He ran out of gas, and it happens. Everyone has him going back to Japan or at least assume that’s where he is going. We need to stop him, and convince him to stay for one more year. Give him 1 year / $17 mil.

As for saying our rotation is a 2 year rebuild: Next year Kershaw, Scherzer will be free agents. Both likely get extended, but I think the Yankees can find that #2 guy whether through trade this off season, or free agency/ trade before the 2015 season.

Bullpen:
Our bullpen was actually extremely solid this year, was a big reason why we stayed in so long. But like many things also became a reason we didn’t make the playoffs. They fell apart in the last month and a half.

Spot Starter – Warren, Phelps or Nuno
Warren had the best season, Nuno seems like the best pitcher. Phelps seems like the organizations favorite. They’d basically start once a month, plus long reliever innings.

RHP – Dellin Betances
He has a bit of trouble finding the plate, but if he can mix that 98 heat with his curve and can locate it, he’ll be a huge asset to our bullpen.

RHP – Preston Claiborne
Despite being awful in August and September, May 5 – August 5th he pitched 38 innings in 32 games, allowed only 41 baserunners. 2.13ERA, hitters were only hitting .218 off of him.

LHP – Boone Logan
Have to resign him.. 39 innings, 46 runners… 1.179WHIP. Actually pitched his best this year.

8th Inning Guy –
I wish we never had gotten rid of Soriano, I’d love a Soriano & Robertson combo. But we desparately need a 8th inning guy.

Guys don't get too mad at me, but if nothing pans out for a setup guy, Phil Hughes may be the guy right for the job. :frown: :x

Closer – David Robertson
David is a very good pitcher. His only problem is he is very methodical with his sequence. He throws a lot of pitches. It will be tough to live up to Mo. Hell, no one could, but I think he’ll be one of the 5 best closers next year.

Rotation
1 – CC
2 – Garza?
3 – Nova
4- Pineda
5 – Kuroda

Bullpen
Long RP – Phelps
LHP - Logan
One more guy for insurance (Shawn Kelly or you can go Cesar Cabral for more insurance against Lefties)
RHP – Betances
RHP – Claiborne
8th Inning - ???
Closer – Robertson
 
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Dope post again.

I really hope CC can adapt to his new game. With the money he is getting, he NEEDS to be a 20 win type guy for this team to succeed.

I have a little more faith in Pineda coming up and being a top end starter than you, but agree we need to sign a guy in the 3-4 slot that can win games. Garza could be the answer.

And about your 8th inning solution, Phil Hughes should never wear pinstripes again. :rofl:
 
NotoriousLAR said:
Dope post again.

I really hope CC can adapt to his new game. With the money he is getting, he NEEDS to be a 20 win type guy for this team to succeed.

I have a little more faith in Pineda coming up and being a top end starter than you, but agree we need to sign a guy in the 3-4 slot that can win games. Garza could be the answer.

And about your 8th inning solution, Phil Hughes should never wear pinstripes again. :rofl:
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I think Phil has the stuff for 1 inning.. Anything more is a lost cause.

I don't like him, but that track record does exist that he can be a good reliever

Joba on the other hand. Needs to go. And go far far away.

If there is a better answer for the 8th. I.e. we get Rafael Soriano again somehow, and keep High Socks in the 8th aka best setup man in the league.


As for Pineda.. Nova is a more reliable pitcher. Just because he hasn't missed 2 seasons. And had ace like stuff after coming back up to the majors. And the further you can move Pineda down in the rotation, and for a legitimate reason, the better your rotation. You generally have a #4 starter going up against a #3-#5. Very rarely have you played more than a game or two than another team. It would help to make Pineda trail coming back much easier. And for the hope of the world, I hope Rays will shop Price. Trade everyone who is in the minors for him. Don't even have a farm system anymore.
 
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K- Rod apparently isn't going to stay with the O's. I think that is great news.

1. He is inexpensive. He only made $2mil last year.
2. He is only 31, and while it is old in baseball, for a closer, or relief pitcher, he has years left in him. He has been a product of teams giving up on him.
3. If you look at stats vs. Robertson & Mo. He's not better, but he is pretty solid.
Stats are listed Rivera, Robertson, K-Rod, then compared to Boone who was our second best reliever...
WHIP 1.040-1.040 - 1.200 (Boone had his best year this year at 1.719)...
ERA 2.11 - 2.04 - 2.70 (Boone was a 3.23 ERA)..
ERs Mo in 64IP, 15 ER, DRob 66IP, 15 ER, K-Rod 46IP, 14 ER, Boone 39 IP, 14 ER
SO / 9 Mo 7.6, DRob 10.4, K-Rod 10.4, Boone 11.5​


If your bullpen is
Phelps​
Betances​
Claiborne​
Kelly​
Logan. Who we definitely need to resign​
K-Rod​
Robertson​

You are in pretty good shape.
 
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Since the Yankees won't have enough money to pay Cano, they should give Derek Jeter a chance at second and let Nunez become their short stop full time.
 
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