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[omgitswes]

that actually was sadder than the episode

 

[KingParappa]

nvm

http://www.dorkly.com/comic/52100/how-people-reacted-to-last-nights-game-of-thrones

 

[flip5stacks]

Non-book readers vs. book readers

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[aepps20]

I feel sorry for aryia. She seems to be the only member of her family with enough ruthlessness to survive

 

[mackmittenzz]

I'm upset Jon snow was so close to bran and they didn't like shout out the window too him

Edit. Rooting for Kaleesi now, shes a bad b, I hate how they killed all the Starks, the sisters married to the ******, and how powerful is the paralyzed kid really, in comparison to some of the other people with powers, like the fire lady

 

[larryeastwood]

I knew I should've stayed out f this thread til the end of the season.

 

[theswagofsweetjones]

Great scene...I'm glad they killed off Robb's wife...it didnt make sense for her to be alive on the show...she had no banner men in the show oppose to the book, where she isn't pregnant and just gets took captive. Also why didnt they announce Robb's will before the red wedding...basically stating that if something happens to him Jon snow will become his heir to winterfell...I hope it's brought up..because it's very important

 

[jayvee1220]

not trying to be a pompous book reader here but the show really pulled the heartstrings by having Rob's wife there. extra sad when they discussed the baby's name and how he'd learn to ride a horse. they did her dirty with the Oz style shanks to start off the festivities. also Walder Frey is so hated today as Joffrey is he did have some funny moments before the real stuff went down.

 

[theswagofsweetjones]

Don't want exact details but for anyone that has read the books, do the Lannisters take ANY L's on their side anytime soon? **** seems so damn one sided right now, the Starks only got two men left and one can't eem walk

The lannisters will take a major L next season..just have patience...also everyone will learn to love Jamie




Also did they cut the greatjon from the story ? They need him

 

[shogun]

with all the madness i forgot how much of a goon arya was in the conversation with the hound. said something to the effect of "im gonna put a knife through your eye to the back of your skull" pure piff

He'd probably laugh while she did it and then smack her.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Oh, I just remembered why I never enter this thread.

 

[ravagebx]

Oh, I just remembered why I never enter this thread.

Spoilers galore and ppl asking for spoilers smh. Take that to the other thread!

 

[mcraptor]

The look on Jorah's face when Dany asks where Dario is

 

[legendairy stinson]

Another example

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

'Game of Thrones' author George R.R. Martin: Why he wrote The Red Wedding -- EXCLUSIVE

Spoiler alert: Millions of Game of Thrones fans are feeling sadness, outrage, and, sure, some perverse excitement after watching Sunday’s episode titled “The Rains of Castamere.” But for Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin, such reactions to “The Red Wedding” are nothing new. Martin has been receiving exclamatory emails about the disastrous Stark-Frey union for more than a decade, ever since he published his Song of Ice and Fire saga’s third novel, A Storm of Swords. Below, the author reveals why Robb had to die, gives his reaction to upset readers and spills the scene’s horrifying real-life inspiration.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How early in the process of writing the book series did you know you were gonna kill off Robb and Catelyn?

GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: I knew it almost from the beginning. Not the first day, but very soon. I’ve said in many interviews that I like my fiction to be unpredictable. I like there to be considerable suspense. I killed Ned in the first book and it shocked a lot of people. I killed Ned because everybody thinks he’s the hero and that, sure, he’s going to get into trouble, but then he’ll somehow get out of it. The next predictable thing is to think his eldest son is going to rise up and avenge his father. And everybody is going to expect that. So immediately [killing Robb] became the next thing I had to do.

Since Song of Ice and Fire so often subverts reader expectations and avoids traditional fantasy storytelling structures, should fans have any real hope that this tale will have a happy ending? As The Boy recently said on Thrones, “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”

I’ve stated numerous times that I anticipate a bittersweet ending.

What sort of reactions have you received from readers over the years about the scene?

Extreme. Both positive and negative. That was the hardest scene I’ve ever had to write. It’s two-thirds of the way through the book, but I skipped over it when I came to it. So the entire book was done and there was still that one chapter left. Then I wrote it. It was like murdering two of your children. I try to make the readers feel they’ve lived the events of the book. Just as you grieve if a friend is killed, you should grieve if a fictional character is killed. You should care. If somebody dies and you just go get more popcorn, it’s a superficial experience isn’t it?


Why do you think it has such a powerful reaction? Robb wasn’t one of your “viewpoint characters” in the books and Catelyn wasn’t really a beloved personality.

[Long pause] That’s an interesting question. I don’t know if I have a good answer. Maybe the way I did it. There’s a certain amount of foreboding leading up to it. It’s a betrayal. It comes out of left field. It’s at a wedding feast. Robb has made his peace and you think the worst is over. Then it comes out of nowhere. There’s also secondary characters killed. Then outside hundreds of Stark people are killed. It’s not just two people.

To me, that Robb and Catelyn are family makes it worse. And Catelyn has suffered so much and lost so many people around her, and she actually thinks she’s lost more than she really has (since she doesn’t know for sure that Arya, Bran and Rickon are alive). Then this happens.

She also has the moment there to plead. There’s also her murdering the hostage. He’s not a son that Frey particularly values.* So in the end her bluff is empty. And she does. She carries through. There’s a certain power to that too.

I’m pretty sure I know the answer to this, but: Have you ever regretted the scene?

Martin: No. Not as a writer. It’s probably the most powerful scene in the books. It cost me some readers, but gained me many more. It’s going to be hard for me to watch it [on the show]. It’s going to be a tough night. Because I love these characters too. And in a TV show you get to know the actors. You’re also ending that relationship with an actor that you have affection for. Richard Madden and Michelle Fairley have done an amazing job.

What do you say to readers who are upset about the scene?

It depends on what they say. What can you say to someone who says they’ll never read your book again? People read books for different reasons. I respect that. Some read for comfort. And some of my former readers have said their life is hard, their mother is sick, their dog died, and they read fiction to escape. They don’t want to get hit in the mouth with something horrible. And you read that certain kind of fiction where the guy will always get the girl and the good guys win and it reaffirms to you that life is fair. We all want that at times. There’s a certain vicarious release to that. So I’m not dismissive of people who want that. But that’s not the kind of fiction I write, in most cases. It’s certainly not what Ice and Fire is. It tries to be more realistic about what life is. It has joy, but it also had pain and fear. I think the best fiction captures life in all its light and darkness.

One of my favorite elements of the scene is you introduce this idea of “salt and bread.” We accept that as readers — Okay, in this fantasy world, people don’t harm each other once they eat a host’s bread and salt in their home. Then you break your own rule. It’s like you’re smacking the reader upside the head for being so dense — “Of course they’re not going to follow that silly rule ALL the time!”

It was stolen from history. Hospitality laws were real in Dark Ages society. A host and guest were not allowed to harm each other even if they were enemies. By violating that law, the phrase is, they “condemn themselves for all time.”

What about the Red Wedding itself? Is that based on history too?

The Red Wedding is based on a couple real events from Scottish history. One was a case called The Black Dinner. The king of Scotland was fighting the Black Douglas clan. He reached out to make peace. He offered the young Earl of Douglas safe passage. He came to Edinburgh Castle and had a great feast. Then at the end of the feast, [the king's men] started pounding on a single drum. They brought out a covered plate and put it in front of the Earl and revealed it was the head of a black boar — the symbol of death. And as soon as he saw it, he knew what it meant. They dragged them out and put them to death in the courtyard. The larger instance was the Glencoe Massacre. Clan MacDonald stayed with the Campbell clan overnight and the laws of hospitality supposedly applied. But the Campbells arose and started butchering every MacDonald they could get their hands on. No matter how much I make up, there’s stuff in history that’s just as bad, or worse.

 

[cruzzz]

I have given up any hope of Lannisters dying. I should of have known how this story was going to go when they Killed Ned, I was a 100% sure he was going to be saved and reunited with Snow so he could tell him about his mother. I'm just going to watch this as a [color= rgb(32, 32, 32)]Tragedy and not get too emotionally drawn in [/color]

 I guess Robb was cursed ever since that one guy said you shouldn't kill family.

 

[cruzzz]

The look on Jorah's face when Dany asks where Dario is

Right I thought he was dead or something, little did I know she just wanted the D.

 

[denni5themenace]

Don't want exact details but for anyone that has read the books, do the Lannisters take ANY L's on their side anytime soon? **** seems so damn one sided right now, the Starks only got two men left and one can't eem walk

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those asking to be spoiled, just read the wiki. some people just can't help themselves

 

[cruzzz]

So I wonder if Cat's sister even cares that she got murked. I'm talking about the crazy one with the tower that has a hole in the ground.

 

[dwileykyot]

Another example

2 more examples... These cats will never learn

Should we start calling people out?

 

[tdogg2k]

I've read the books and I'm annoyed by some posters.

I came in here just to read reactions and some people just HAVE to let everyone know they know what's happening next. It's like how is ego involved with something everyone could read if they chose. People don't want to know future possibilities. They don't care that its different in the books or if they left something out from the books. Take that to the book thread. Stop dropping wink winks and hints. Let people decide on their own

Rant over

My feels exactly since day 1. Thanks to this thread this entire event was spoiled for me so I just gave in and read the books. And even after reading the books, I still feel NO SPOILER TAGS SHOULD BE POSTED HERE. Any book material being discussed should be in the BOOK thread. Keep this as the SHOW thread.

I said this about 4 pages ago. before the ep came on last night. and most brushed it off. like. well they shouldn't read spoiler tags or blah blah they shouldn't even be in here I'm a book reader but I don't spoil and I'm an advocate to make our book thread more popular..
this counts for the people who read wiki and other sites also.

 

[slicknick951]

So I wonder if Cat's sister even cares that she got murked. I'm talking about the crazy one with the tower that has a hole in the ground.

keep in mind i havent read the book but i think littlefinger would be more upset than she is so Frey better watch out cause u know how he gets

 

[T0INE]

My patience isn't going to allow me to wait til January so I just copped the 5 book bundle on my iPad.

Should I just read all the books from the beginning or can someone tell me where to start

If you watched season 1, you can start with book 2.

Season 1 did a great job of portraying the events of the first book almost precisely.

From book 2 on is where things the discrepancies between the books and the show begin to emerge.

 

[castomere]

So the Wildling is still alive but in the form of a Hawk?

Who survived the Red Wedding aside from Blackfish and his nephew?

What about the dude who started all this? The one that got his finger bit by Grey Wolf? 

The dude who proclaimed this idiot as the King in the North?

 

[theswagofsweetjones]

If you watched season 1, you can start with book 2.

Season 1 did a great job of portraying the events of the first book almost precisely.

From book 2 on is where things the discrepancies between the books and the show begin to emerge.

No he needs to read them all, I did that and started with the second book...and when I read a DWD characters, stories, and theories from the first book came up and I was lost