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Who ends up sitting on the Iron Throne?


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I wouldn't want to stay in that prison cell either. Just say you believe in whatever bs they selling and get out to get some fresh air.
 
I agree Margery is faking it but, the High Sparrow is a master manipulator. I think he knows that Margery is faking it, he must be plotting something else. Hes too intelligent to let Margery play him for a fool. Unless his faith blinds him...
 
I agree Margery is faking it but, the High Sparrow is a master manipulator. I think he knows that Margery is faking it, he must be plotting something else. Hes too intelligent to let Margery play him for a fool. Unless his faith blinds him...

Yea I don't think he's falling for the yambs. That's all a ploy to see where Margery is in all of this. She needs to be more careful
 
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I agree Margery is faking it but, the High Sparrow is a master manipulator. I think he knows that Margery is faking it, he must be plotting something else. Hes too intelligent to let Margery play him for a fool. Unless his faith blinds him...
I think he knows Margery is trying to play him, doesn't matter tho he has the King in his pocket.

high sparrow might be the best schemer since Tywin.
 
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The Father from Pirates of the Caribbean out here making moves
Oh **** he is Keira's dad from the movie. It was sad when he died and he was sailing to limbo as she was sailing out.

Crazy how he's such a sly bastard on this show.

I agree Margery is faking it but, the High Sparrow is a master manipulator. I think he knows that Margery is faking it, he must be plotting something else. Hes too intelligent to let Margery play him for a fool. Unless his faith blinds him...
Only person he's manipulated is Tommen, the most easily manipulated character on the show. That Aryn kid LF is manipulating at least is eager to kill.

All HS has done is talk Cersi, Jamie, and Olenna in to dead ends and been pretty cunning while at it. The key to his success was striking at the royal family when they were at their weakest leadership wise; no Varys, no Tyrion, no LF, no Tywin. Hell no Joffrey. I ain't seen nothing masterful about his manipulation.
I agree Margery is faking it but, the High Sparrow is a master manipulator. I think he knows that Margery is faking it, he must be plotting something else. Hes too intelligent to let Margery play him for a fool. Unless his faith blinds him...

Yea I don't think he's falling for the yambs. That's all a ploy to see where Margery is in all of this. She needs to be more careful
I honestly did not get any implication that Marge was trying to tempt HS with the yambs when she basically set it up so Tommen would complain about not getting some since she got out.
 
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Tommen complains about the yambs, goes against the HS, margbae in the back hoping tommen deals with the HS, tommen gets rekt, HS gains power, HS gains dem yambs, margbae's life gets flipped and turned upsidedown.
 
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We need more background on the Lord of Light, 7 gods and the new gods. 
I was actually looking into this after that episode where the High Sparrow tells his story, its actually pretty interesting. I also read up on the different Houses, the castles, etc. The amount of material is :wow: here's some light reading for those interested (no spoilers for the show, just didn't want a huge wall of text):

Old God of the Forest:


The Old Gods were originally worshiped by the Children of the Forest, the non-human original inhabitants of Westeros, for thousands of years before the arrival of the First Men from the east twelve thousand years ago. It was the Children of the Forest who carved the faces into weirwood trees. The Children and their priests, the greenseers, successfully fought the First Men to a standstill and they signed a Pact of mutual peace and cooperation. It gave the deep forests to the children, but all other land in Westeros to the First Men, who promised never to cut down the sacred weirwood trees again. Over the succeeding four thousand years, the First Men came to worship the Old Gods as well.

After the war against the White Walkers eight thousand years ago, the Children gradually declined throughout Westeros. The worship of the Old Gods remained strong among the First Men in Westeros until the invasion of the Andals six thousand years ago, who brought the Faith of the Seven with them from the east. The Andals slaughtered the Children of the Forest, viewing their magic as an abomination before the Seven. The Andals cut down the weirwood trees in the south, which were sacred to the Old Gods.
The Faith supplanted the worship of the Old Gods in most lands south of the Neck, but it remained strong in the North, where the First Men were able to halt the Andals' advance. After centuries of religious wars and strife, the two religions settled into a – sometimes uneasy – coexistence.

The wildlings also worship the Old Gods, like their distant cousins in the North. Even in the lands of House Stark, there are a few followers of the Faith of the Seven, often southern noblewomen who come to the north to secure marriage alliances. Beyond the Wall, however, the Old Gods are the only gods.

Faith of the Seven (also referred to as the "New Gods"):


The Faith originated six thousand years before the War of the Five Kings in the continent of Essos, specifically in Andalos where, according to legend, the "God of Seven" manifested before the Andal people. Afterward the Andals sailed west and their invasion of Westeros began. Some of the Andal warriors carved the seven-pointed star, the symbol of their religion, into their flesh to demonstrate their devotion. Bearing weapons made of steel, the Andals conquered the First Men and slaughtered the Children of the Forest, viewing their magic as an abomination before the Seven. The Andals burned down most of the weirwood trees in the south, which are considered sacred in the worship of the Old Gods of the Forest. Soon all the kingdoms of the First Men, except the Kingdom of the North, fell to the invaders, who intermingled with some of the local dynasties, such as House Gardener, or replaced them altogether, as was the case of Mountain Kings of the Vale. As the Andals asserted their dominance over all regions south of the Neck, they asserted their religion over the First Men they conquered, replacing the worship of the Old Gods almost entirely throughout the southern kingdoms of Westeros. Thus the Andals' Faith of the Seven became the dominant religion on the entire continent, except for in the North and the Iron Islands.

Prior to the rule of House Targaryen, the Faith had the right to dispense justice, conduct inquests and trials and pass judgement over all echelons of society, including kings. This justice was enforced by the Faith Militant. However, this right was taken away from it by the Targaryen kings and, whilst the Faith remained an important part of Westerosi customs, they grew corrupt and their practices became little more than a façade. Nevertheless, the Faith's importance could not be understated and most if not all noble Houses had a septa present in their household to raise their daughters, such as Septa Mordane for House Stark (due to the influence of Catelyn Stark, who firmly believed in the Gods, despite the fact that she had married into a Northern family which worshiped the Old Gods).

The Drowned God:


The belief system of the Drowned God justifies the ironborn practices of piracy and raiding. Followers of the Drowned God believe that He brought flame from the sea and that He created the ironborn to reave, raid, and pillage. Much of the religion centers around maritime skills and seafaring ability. It is not simply praiseworthy to kill enemies in battle, it is considered a pious act. A youth in the Iron Islands is not considered a man until he has killed his first enemy. The religion also encourages paying the "iron price" instead of the "gold price" -- that is, it is better not to pay or trade for possessions, but to take them by force from the hands of dead enemies.

To outsiders, the Drowned God religion may seem like a thinly veiled justification for pillaging and plundering, but the ironborn themselves take their religion very seriously, and actually have a fairly well developed cosmology and belief system surrounding it.

Within this belief system, the Drowned God is locked in an eternal struggle against the Storm God. The Drowned God's halls are located beneath the ocean, while the Storm God lives in a castle in the sky with his thunderclouds. The Storm God is constantly trying to send storms to dash ironborn ships against rocks.

Resurrection figures prominently in the religion, in the form of being revived from drowning. The Drowned God himself is said to have drowned in the sea, for the sake of the ironborn, but returned to life "harder and stronger". Drowning is also employed as a method of sacrificing enemies to the Drowned God.

Due to their belief, the ironborn do not fear drowning in the sea. "Godly" ironborn - that is, fearless raiders - who drown are believed to be taken to the Drowned God's watery halls to feast on fish and be tended by mermaids for eternity. Thus, whenever a man dies, ironborn say that the Drowned God is in need of a strong oarsman.

Lord of Light:
The religion of the Lord of Light is centered on belief in the existence of two deities, in the words of Melisandre: "A god of light and love and joy, and a god of darkness, evil, and fear, eternally at war." R'hllor is the god of fire, which provides light, heat, and life, and struggles against darkness, cold, and death, represented by an opposing deity, the Great Other.

Due to the dualistic worldview of this religion, its more fanatical followers believe the Lord of Light is the "one true god", and all other gods from other religions - The Old Gods of the Forest, the Faith of the Seven, the Drowned God, etc. - are demons and false idols that must be cast down and burned.

The Lord of Light's worship involves the idolization of fire and light. Shadows are important too, as they are "created by light". The religion is very focused on prophecy, and on ecstatic visions that are received through communion with the flames. Melisandre claims to receive visions about the future from the Lord of Light by staring into fires.

Unlike the religions of the Old Gods in the North or the Drowned God of the Iron Islands, the faith of the Lord of Light is stated to possess several holy texts, similar to the Faith of the Seven.

While the Faith of the Seven believes in Seven Heavens and Seven Hells, in the Lord of Light religion the current world that everyone lives in now is considered to be "hell", the only hell, but the Lord of Light will save his faithful adherents from this darkness.

The followers of the Lord of Light also believe in the coming of a chosen warrior to combat the coming darkness, The Prince That Was Promised, who is prophesied to be reborn "amidst smoke and salt" and wield the sword Lightbringer.
 
I think HS told Marge about her grandmother's safety to see what she would do. The fact that Unella was there to see Marge tell Olenna to leave confirmed to the HS that Marge was ************ about converting. If she had tried her best to keep Olenna in King's Landing to convert to the Faith, then HS would know that Marge was being honest about converting.
 
Tommen complains about the yambs, goes against the HS, margbae in the back hoping tommen deals with the HS, tommen gets rekt, HS gains power, HS gains dem yambs, margbae's life gets flipped and turned upsidedown.
Unlikely.

Marge couldn't get Tommen to get her out of prison with the power of her yambs already being given. That whole time left it so HS could just get his claws deeper in him.

She didn't make her way out just to rely on Tommen again to fix this. If anything she's plotting to have him killed at the right time too.
 
Yeah, the yellow cloak is distinct. Rare for a person to wear such an ugly cloak but I didn't remember how the character is supposed to look like.
 
Yooooooo, reading about that drowned religion and how savage it is makes Theon out to be even more of a supreme vagina :lol:

Son was never about that life.
 
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Good info posted. I didn't know the children of the forest believed in the old gods and carved the faces in the weirwood trees. Didn't know the andals slaughtered a lot of them either.

Good job by GRRM in developing these interesting faiths. If scientology can be created by a writer and become a money making institution / cult then I wish the GOT religions would be worshipped for real.
 
Yooooooo, reading about that drowned religion and how savage it is makes Theon out to be even more of a supreme vagina :lol:

Son was never about that life.

Yeah they get down in the isles. Its why I'm really pissed that they are downplaying Euron so much. He's a legit threat to the world but the show is minimizing it. If they would have introduced him back in season 3/4 we would have this problem.
 
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