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thought it was obvious that it was Tywin.

If Tywin didn't kill Tyrion as a baby because of family loyalty, why would he conspire against his grandson the king?
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Tywin stay schemin... 



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Yeah, not sure why they wrote the scene that way. The show writers are weird. They did the same thing in season 1 when they wrote that Khal Drogo forced himself in Dani on their wedding day. They change sex scenes to rape scenes when it's not necessary.

that got under my skin as well. in the book Dany said yes. its ok. then Drogo proceeded

 

To emphasize how Danerys "tamed" a beast.  They don't have as much time as a book to show all the intricacies of Khal Drogos personality and his relationship with Danerys.  So instead they show a dude who's wildin on a hunnit 24/7 then out of nowhere he's simping because his new wife got it like that.

 

The Jamie scene I don't really get the point of other than to shock, show how messed up his and Cersei's relationship has become and take the easy route in explaining why they become mad/weird with each other.

 

If they could give more screen time they'd show it's because Jamie's seen some ****, prob has mild ptsd, is depressed bout his hand, is disenchanted with the war and conflicts, bummd about his reputation being a treacherous kingslayer who bones his sister, knows his family has done dirt, sees that his sister lover is ALWAYS just being foul to everyone around her, and that his son was an ******* and its their fault because of incest and poor parenting.

 

No time for all that though, so the show runners are like rape = we can't be friends anymore.

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Yes they are veering away from the book in some aspects. Just slight ones so far though. I'll put a couple from this past episode in a spoiler. It doesn't spoil anything yet to happen though....
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In the books, Jamie isn't even at the wedding when Joffrey dies. Jamie doesn't "rape" Cersei either.

Daario isn't the one who fights that champion. It was a dope character named Strong Belwas. He was a eunuch pit fighter who originally would have showed up with Ser Barristan. It has already been confirmed that he has been cut from the show.

Also, I was surprised about Tywin mentioning Daeny, the dragons, and the wildlings approaching the wall lastnight cause in the books, no one seemed to know at that time. It was all considered "hearsay and rumors" but nothing concrete.

 

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Most interesting storyline right now is Carcetti. Dude is all types of schemin

Agreed. 

 

Maybe it was just that it was his first appearance in a while, but that accent is horrible.

 

The actor's Irish though. The accent isn't a huge stretch from how he really talks.

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Was thinking about this earlier, but doesn't the fact that Little Finger already had Sansa's escape planned mean that he was involved in Joffery's death?

At first I thought it was only Tywin that was behind it, but now I think it was Little Finger and the Tyrells.
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I'm going with Petyr and Lady Olenna as the masterminds behind Joffrey's murder. She just seems like a behind the scenes schemer and Petyr handled the Dontos aspect.

 

 

Guys... this isn't really a spoiler... but still:


 

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that opening scene was Littlefinger confessing to planning the entire thing. He said Dontos lied and that the jewel necklace was made by him, Littlefinger, and given to Dontos to give to Sansa so that she would be wearing it at the wedding. Him then showing how the werent jewels either but something that easily turned into a powder is also important. He was straight up telling you the necklace had something to do with the poisoning.

 

Add that to the clearly missing jewel and the fact that "someone" plucked it off Sansa's necklace last week and you have your conspiracy:

 

Little Finger, Dontos, and maybe another party.

 

The show spelled it out for all of us. They're prob not gonna delve into the planning of it any further than that. It's not a "whodunnit" anymore. We know who because he told us.


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Most interesting storyline right now is Carcetti. Dude is all types of schemin
Agreed. 

Maybe it was just that it was his first appearance in a while, but that accent is horrible.

The actor's Irish though. The accent isn't a huge stretch from how he really talks.

He didn't speak like that in the early seasons though. It's way more raspier now ala Dark Knight. It's kind of annoying.
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Nako dropping that knowledge on you poor fools, repped for both posts.

On the topic of Jaime: I have a lot of sympathy for the guy, thing is y'all are forgetting his past. Famb was supposed to be the heir of Casterly Rock and the immense fortune that comes with it, but in a plot to slight Tywin, the Mad King inducts him into the Kingsguard, thereby robbing him of his heir. Then famb is kidnapped and gets his hand chopped off, essentially robbing him of the only thing he's truly good at. Famb then finally comes back expecting the yambs and love from his pops but instead everyone sees him as some sort of freak similar to his brother. His supposed nephew, who is really his son, treats him like his *****. The only person who treats Jaime with any ounce of respect is Tyrion, but his ***** sister wants him dead and he's too much of a simp to speak up. So yeah, I can't help but feel bad for the guy.

TL;DR: Jaime's life sucks, I feel bad for famb.
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To emphasize how Danerys "tamed" a beast.  They don't have as much time as a book to show all the intricacies of Khal Drogos personality and his relationship with Danerys.  So instead they show a dude who's wildin on a hunnit 24/7 then out of nowhere he's simping because his new wife got it like that.

The Jamie scene I don't really get the point of other than to shock, show how messed up his and Cersei's relationship has become and take the easy route in explaining why they become mad/weird with each other.

If they could give more screen time they'd show it's because Jamie's seen some ****, prob has mild ptsd, is depressed bout his hand, is disenchanted with the war and conflicts, bummd about his reputation being a treacherous kingslayer who bones his sister, knows his family has done dirt, sees that his sister lover is ALWAYS just being foul to everyone around her, and that his son was an ******* and its their fault because of incest and poor parenting.

No time for all that though, so the show runners are like rape = we can't be friends anymore.

which is crazy to me but you're right.
as someone mentioned earlier. Jaime wasn't even there. so that little conversation about Jamie being too late (in the show) was hogwash.
considering when he showed up she was dumb excited about it. sad about joff but was super excited
as the pic i posted.

I can't blame the show too much but hopefully next episode she explains how she wanted it
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I read an interview with the director of the episode. Didn't seem like he knew what was going on in that scene.
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Just when I was starting to like Jaime again sick.gifmean.gif
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Dude was like a young metrosexual Schwarzenegger laugh.gif

This guy looks like he teaches college algebra as a side gig.  

LMAO. Nailed it.
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new Daario still sucks. 


Still better than that fabio looking fool they cast last season.

Dude was like a young metrosexual Schwarzenegger laugh.gif

This guy looks like he teaches college algebra as a side gig.  

I think the og guy looked more "sleezy" which seemed to make his smooth player characteristic look more believable than this fake Eric Bana/Hector knockoff.
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I read an interview with the director of the episode. Didn't seem like he knew what was going on in that scene.
yea read the same one.
sad. but it is what it is i guess
hopefully he'll redeem himself to show only watchers in the next few eps.
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Or the writers just didn't write that scene well. Most that watched it didn't think it looked consensual. Seemed like he was already a few pumps in before she stopped resisting.
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Guys... this isn't really a spoiler... but still:


  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
that opening scene was Littlefinger confessing to planning the entire thing. He said Dontos lied and that the jewel necklace was made by him, Littlefinger, and given to Dontos to give to Sansa so that she would be wearing it at the wedding. Him then showing how the werent jewels either but something that easily turned into a powder is also important. He was straight up telling you the necklace had something to do with the poisoning.

Add that to the clearly missing jewel and the fact that "someone" plucked it off Sansa's necklace last week and you have your conspiracy:

Little Finger, Dontos, and maybe another party.

The show spelled it out for all of us. They're prob not gonna delve into the planning of it any further than that. It's not a "whodunnit" anymore. We know who because he told us.

It looks like Littlefinger will tell Sansa the detail next episode, in previews he tells her "but you were invovled". IMO The breaking of the necklace was more to show her that it was fake and not some family heirloom, not that it turned to powder easily. The fact that he had Dontos there instantly to take Sansa away to him, sort of already implies that he was involved or at least knew it was going to happen. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise in regards to him knowing about it.

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Nako dropping that knowledge on you poor fools, repped for both posts.

On the topic of Jaime: I have a lot of sympathy for the guy, thing is y'all are forgetting his past. Famb was supposed to be the heir of Casterly Rock and the immense fortune that comes with it, but in a plot to slight Tywin, the Mad King inducts him into the Kingsguard, thereby robbing him of his heir. Then famb is kidnapped and gets his hand chopped off, essentially robbing him of the only thing he's truly good at. Famb then finally comes back expecting the yambs and love from his pops but instead everyone sees him as some sort of freak similar to his brother. His supposed nephew, who is really his son, treats him like his *****. The only person who treats Jaime with any ounce of respect is Tyrion, but his ***** sister wants him dead and he's too much of a simp to speak up. So yeah, I can't help but feel bad for the guy.

TL;DR: Jaime's life sucks, I feel bad for famb.

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I think the backlash to what the show did is a little over the top, considering the angle people keep coming from.

From what I understand, the show has made many changes from the book before. The biggest I've heard is "suddenly we're stabbing pregnant ladies in the baby now." But people are going at the Jaime-Cersei scene, but not putting anything on Jaime? I'm positive it's because they all wanted their romantic novel to play out between them, and NOW that's all tainted...Now...

Now the most toxic, cancerous relationship from the second this show began, is suddenly as ugly as it always was?

Am I misremembering or didn't they try to kill Bran, starting the war of five kings, cuz he caught their incest? Didn't they create that inbred demon spawn? Didn't they Lance Armstrong anyone who tried to out them? But nooooow the show made it ****** up. grin.gif

In the show...Jaime was vile. He hated or didn't gaf about anyone except Tyrion and Cersei and himself. He killed kids. He killed cousins just to break out of prison. He'd do just about anything, so long as it doesn't make him look like the bad guy that he is. That's why he hates being known as the Kingslayer. Because he's supposed to be the golden child. He was just temporarily humbled last season, and liked that Brienne liked him.

The ******* is back afaic. And it seems like the people being the loudest about it, are the ones who refuse to hate him, so they need to blame D&D or Alex Graves? Because I keep seeing the passage from the book posted, and that reads pretty clearly, about as ****** up and not very consensual as it showed. The mental gymnastics people are doing to try and say...nonono, in the book it was a passionate rough sex scene next to their dead son's body, that halfway through Cersei gave consent to, so that's better! mean.gif

People acting like this is the worst thing the show has ever done, or that now it's all ruined and they might as well cancel the series. I don't get it.
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^ Probably watched the comicbookgirl19 vids, which are really very informative (and the reason I started reading the books).

 

Jaime was offered Casterly Rock again by Tywinn in King's Landing, but he wanted to stay and "protect the king" (bang Cersei).  Can't feel too bad for him though, even if hes got nothing left, hes still a Lanniester.  

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It was a reality check for his character IMO. Like @MrONegative stated we aren't really supposed to like him. He's truly vile scum. I was warming up to him last season and after that I just can't root for the guy any longer. Tyrion still my dude though smokin.gif
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I was wondering what the hell d&d stood for in that gif. Thought it might be dungeons & dragons but that made no sense.

A lot of fans like jaime. I do too. We didn't like seeing him do something bad again. I guess if you're further along in the story you might feel similar.
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Its a dude telling a little kid he's going to eat his parents after killing them and people upset about a Jaime and Cersei like they wasn't already ****** up.
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^her reviews > Talking Dead

HBO needs to cut her a check asap.
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talking dead sucks. He interviews "celebrities" that no one cares about and listens to them say how prepared they are if the world turns to crap. Plus if the episode sucked you can't say it because its the network's show.

It's good she's on youtube and can somewhat speak freely.
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I guess joffery quit drinking today

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just saw the wedding episode
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HBO always doing the most. laugh.gif
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all of those hbo go commercials are :lol esp the true blood one

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Pretty irked at how they did Jamie like that especially after they showed him losing his hand trying to stop Brienne from being raped herself mean.gif
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'Game of Thrones' director says rape scene was 'meant to be consensual'
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Following initial interviews done with "Game of Thrones" director Alex Graves about the controversial sex scene in Season 4, episode 3 "Breaker of Chains," Vulture followed up with him to allow him to have a chance to explain himself. Many fans and critics viewed the Jaime/Cersei scene in question as non-consensual rape, but Graves stands by his initial stance that the sex scene is supposed to end with Cersei wanting the sex.

"What was talked about was that it was not consensual as it began, but Jaime and Cersei, their entire sexual relationship has been based on and interwoven with risk. And Jaime is very much ready to have sex with her because he hasn't made love to her since he got back, and she's sort of cajoled into it, and it is consensual," Graves explains. "Ultimately, it was meant to be consensual. [The writers] tried to complicate it a little more with her rejecting his new hand and the state of things."

There has been some speculation that perhaps Graves did not edit together the cut of the scene, and that is why it didn't turn out the way that he initially described it. Other people suggested that perhaps the full scene was cut short in the final cut of the episode. But Graves does say this is the scene as he intended it.

"It's my cut of the scene," he says. "The consensual part of it was that she wraps her legs around him, and she's holding on to the table, clearly not to escape but to get some grounding in what's going on. And also, the other thing that I think is clear before they hit the ground is she starts to make out with him. The big things to us that were so important, and that hopefully were not missed, is that before he rips her undergarment, she's way into kissing him back. She's kissing him aplenty."

Coming back to the sexual politics of "Game of Thrones," Graves says he personally believes this scene -- and previous ones where Cersei denied Jaime sexual intercourse -- are her ways of manipulating Jaime. He also suggests that Jaime "found a soul mate" in Brienne that "he'll never recover from."

Graves words likely won't sway people who initially criticized the "Game of Thrones" scene. Zap2it reached out to comment from showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, but they declined to speak about specific Season 4 episodes.
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