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'Game of Thrones' director says rape scene was 'meant to be consensual'
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Following initial interviews done with "Game of Thrones" director Alex Graves about the controversial sex scene in Season 4, episode 3 "Breaker of Chains," Vulture followed up with him to allow him to have a chance to explain himself. Many fans and critics viewed the Jaime/Cersei scene in question as non-consensual rape, but Graves stands by his initial stance that the sex scene is supposed to end with Cersei wanting the sex.

"What was talked about was that it was not consensual as it began, but Jaime and Cersei, their entire sexual relationship has been based on and interwoven with risk. And Jaime is very much ready to have sex with her because he hasn't made love to her since he got back, and she's sort of cajoled into it, and it is consensual," Graves explains. "Ultimately, it was meant to be consensual. [The writers] tried to complicate it a little more with her rejecting his new hand and the state of things."

There has been some speculation that perhaps Graves did not edit together the cut of the scene, and that is why it didn't turn out the way that he initially described it. Other people suggested that perhaps the full scene was cut short in the final cut of the episode. But Graves does say this is the scene as he intended it.

"It's my cut of the scene," he says. "The consensual part of it was that she wraps her legs around him, and she's holding on to the table, clearly not to escape but to get some grounding in what's going on. And also, the other thing that I think is clear before they hit the ground is she starts to make out with him. The big things to us that were so important, and that hopefully were not missed, is that before he rips her undergarment, she's way into kissing him back. She's kissing him aplenty."

Coming back to the sexual politics of "Game of Thrones," Graves says he personally believes this scene -- and previous ones where Cersei denied Jaime sexual intercourse -- are her ways of manipulating Jaime. He also suggests that Jaime "found a soul mate" in Brienne that "he'll never recover from."

Graves words likely won't sway people who initially criticized the "Game of Thrones" scene. Zap2it reached out to comment from showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, but they declined to speak about specific Season 4 episodes.
well through his cut of the scene he didnt convey it CLEARLY
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Um yeah y'all dudes talking about Jamie got done dirty are clowns. Son is a scumbag and is one of the worst characters in the show. Now everything is messed up cuz he's seen as a rapist to you. That just shows how touchy how y'all are given I don't like dude and want him dead and didn't interpret that scene as rape. If he did though so what. That aint outside of his wheelhouse. Keep thinking dude is gonna get some redemption arc for what he's done.

Hope George has one of the cruelest deaths in store for him.
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At the end of the day Jamie still pushed Bran off of a building and enjoys smashing his sister lol
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Is the new King (Joffrey's lil bro) also a product of Jaime and Cersei's incest? I'm assuming he is but don't remember it being mentioned in any earlier episodes.
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Is the new King (Joffrey's lil bro) also a product of Jaime and Cersei's incest? I'm assuming he is but don't remember it being mentioned in any earlier episodes.

Yup sure is
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all of cersei's kids are and robert was too drunk, busy philandering, and resentful of cersei to notice. her only real baratheon kid died in child birth.

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Um yeah y'all dudes talking about Jamie got done dirty are clowns. Son is a scumbag and is one of the worst characters in the show. Now everything is messed up cuz he's seen as a rapist to you. That just shows how touchy how y'all are given I don't like dude and want him dead and didn't interpret that scene as rape. If he did though so what. That aint outside of his wheelhouse. Keep thinking dude is gonna get some redemption arc for what he's done.

Hope George has one of the cruelest deaths in store for him.

I'm interested to know who you root for in this show?
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Um yeah y'all dudes talking about Jamie got done dirty are clowns. Son is a scumbag and is one of the worst characters in the show. Now everything is messed up cuz he's seen as a rapist to you. That just shows how touchy how y'all are given I don't like dude and want him dead and didn't interpret that scene as rape. If he did though so what. That aint outside of his wheelhouse. Keep thinking dude is gonna get some redemption arc for what he's done.

Hope George has one of the cruelest deaths in store for him.

I'm interested to know who you root for in this show?
Tyrion, Aarya, and a few new characters from the book I won't mention. Those are who I actually root for and want to see them come out successful at the end of this.

I'm interested to see where Bran's story goes, nothing to really root for there. Son is on his mystery journey grind right now.

The ppl I like are Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Davos, Dany and her whole crew, and Margery but if any of them die I wouldn't be angry about it. I just like their characters and what they bring to the show So other than the ppl I want to die the rest of ppl I'm just watching to see what happens to them that I don't already know about. So like Stannis is only bearable cuz of Davos and Melissandre. Jon Snow too only cuz of his situation, Ygritte and Sam.
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Um yeah y'all dudes talking about Jamie got done dirty are clowns. Son is a scumbag and is one of the worst characters in the show. Now everything is messed up cuz he's seen as a rapist to you. That just shows how touchy how y'all are given I don't like dude and want him dead and didn't interpret that scene as rape. If he did though so what. That aint outside of his wheelhouse. Keep thinking dude is gonna get some redemption arc for what he's done.

Hope George has one of the cruelest deaths in store for him.

You seem a bit upset Zik :lol

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Jaime is a great character in the show, dunno what Zik is talking about.  He's not all about laws, and oaths.  He said it to Catlyn while he was captured, protect the king, protect those who can't protect themselves.  What if the king asks to kill those who can't protect themselves.  The mad king told Jaime to bring him Tywin's head, and sent a guard to tell the pyromancer to burn the whole city..  Dunno about ya'll but he was right in killing that mfer.  

 

I do get where you're coming from tho, in the TV show he killed his own cousin while captive, in the book, the cousin comes along for the ride with Brianne and gets killed by those who cut Jaime's hand off.

 

He bangs Cersei the moment he sees her when he first gets to Kings Landing, and she wanted it too.

 

 

The show does a great job of making him a bad guy, but he's actually one the realest dudes in Westeros.

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It's not that serious Zik laugh.gif,I'm just disappointed that all the work they put into Jamie redeeming himself last season seems to have been flushed down the drain with what was initially meant to be a consensual act.
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Jaime is a great character in the show, dunno what Zik is talking about.  He's not all about laws, and oaths.  He said it to Catlyn while he was captured, protect the king, protect those who can't protect themselves.  

How does tossing a defenseless kid out a window fit into that code?
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How does tossing a defenseless kid out a window fit into that code?
No one is trying to say it was a good thing to do. The fact is Cersei, Jamie, Joffrey, Tommen and the sister all would of been killed if Robert had found out. He was protecting his family. People need to stop acting like he did it just for fun and to be evil. It wasn't a good act, nor would he have wanted to do it randomly, but it all fits into his own code of protecting those he loves.
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Jaime is a great character in the show, dunno what Zik is talking about.  He's not all about laws, and oaths.  He said it to Catlyn while he was captured, protect the king, protect those who can't protect themselves.  

How does tossing a defenseless kid out a window fit into that code?

That was ****** up but he actually was protecting his family


Cersei
Walder Frey
Bolton & his bastard are still worse imo
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Um yeah y'all dudes talking about Jamie got done dirty are clowns. Son is a scumbag and is one of the worst characters in the show. Now everything is messed up cuz he's seen as a rapist to you. That just shows how touchy how y'all are given I don't like dude and want him dead and didn't interpret that scene as rape. If he did though so what. That aint outside of his wheelhouse. Keep thinking dude is gonna get some redemption arc for what he's done.


Hope George has one of the cruelest deaths in store for him.
You seem a bit upset Zik laugh.gif
Not really I just don't like Jamie Lannister (on the show or in the book). Same way I didn't like Joffrey. The show does invoke some emotions if you're in to it.

My thing is I've talked about wanting to see Jamie die before and ppl seem to really get hoodwinked last season with his story arc with Brienne like he is a nice guy or misunderstood or that he's learned his lesson and bad ways. No he's an a-hole like the rest. He should've got his severed hand shoved up his ***. So I'm over aghast at dudes actually rooting for this dude like 1st ep he aint push a child out a window and cripple him. Of all the foul **** I've seen on tv. Son just don't got any redeeming qualities for me to like compared to other bad guys I've rooted for on tv (Frank Underwood, Walter "H" White, etc.)
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How does tossing a defenseless kid out a window fit into that code?
No one is trying to say it was a good thing to do. The fact is Cersei, Jamie, Joffrey, Tommen and the sister all would of been killed if Robert had found out. He was protecting his family. People need to stop acting like he did it just for fun and to be evil. It wasn't a good act, nor would he have wanted to do it randomly, but it all fits into his own code of protecting those he loves.
Fam, I don't care what you say there is no rationalization or justifying what he did. Protect his family my ***. He did something wrong to cover up something else that was wrong.
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Bolton & his bastard are still worse imo

I agree with this. With Joff gone, Ramsay is definitely the worst character currently on the show.
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It's not that serious Zik laugh.gif,I'm just disappointed that all the work they put into Jamie redeeming himself last season seems to have been flushed down the drain with what was initially meant to be a consensual act.
Yeah it's not that serious, I'm not out here boycotting the character or something.

I just look forward to his death. There's some things fans of the show can overlook and some things others can't. I aint rooting for dude at all or even really like him.

Yeah he spared Brienne from being raped and did the right thing with the crazy ol Targareyn king but all of your actions reflect who you are.

The incest aint even a main contention to hate dude but I will say how it's depicted will change pp.'s views. If you watch The Borgias, you can see how the relationship and incest with the brother and sister on that show is really different than how it is in GoT despite them being in similar situations.
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Bolton & his bastard are still worse imo

I agree with this. With Joff gone, Ramsay is definitely the worst character currently on the show.

The show doesn't really show ****** up he is
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Fam, I don't care what you say there is no rationalization or justifying what he did. Protect his family my ***. He did something wrong to cover up something else that was wrong.
Explaining =/= rationalizing or justifying. And yes when I say "not good" it is the same thing as it's wrong.

Someone asked how it fit to his "code", and its pretty simple.
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Fam, I don't care what you say there is no rationalization or justifying what he did. Protect his family my ***. He did something wrong to cover up something else that was wrong.
Explaining =/= rationalizing or justifying. And yes when I say "not good" it is the same thing as it's wrong.

Someone asked how it fit to his "code", and its pretty simple.
**** his code.


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Jaime is a great character in the show, dunno what Zik is talking about.  He's not all about laws, and oaths.  He said it to Catlyn while he was captured, protect the king, protect those who can't protect themselves.  

How does tossing a defenseless kid out a window fit into that code?

That was ****** up but he actually was protecting his family


Cersei
Walder Frey
Bolton & his bastard are still worse imo
To me Cersei is just an extension of the entire Lannister fam. Only Tyrion seems to be an exception.

Frey will get his but to me he did what he did based off of being wronged in the past and to survive. Bolton and his bastard are sick ***** definitely but luckily Ramsey tortured and maimed a traitor so I don't feel that bad about the situation. Hunting innocents and **** is messed up but I dunno I'll wait to he try to pull that **** with a character I care about. That other stuff just seems to be displays of cruelty to get across how Ramsey and the Bolton's get down.
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There's only two clean characters in the entire series. Brienne and Davos. I might let people include Jon but I would personally disagree.

Everyone else is a liar, murderer, oath-breaker, adulterer, or generally ****** human being.

That being said I root for Arya, Melisandre, and Jaime.
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Cersei is the, killed a king and more notable people, she is whole reason for this war, ***** her brother, and she's just getting started.
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There's only two clean characters in the entire series. Brienne and Davos. I might let people include Jon but I would personally disagree.

Everyone else is a liar, murderer, oath-breaker, adulterer, or generally ****** human being.
What about Rickon?!?!!?!!?


But yeah I agree with almost everyone being dirty. Too long of a list. People upset Jamie tried to pushed a 10 year old kid to his death, King Rob had 10 month old babies slaughtered.
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I can see why people are upset about it, but it's for the better imo. Yeah, it stalls his 'redemption', but it makes him more complex of a character. I don't think it's as simple as the man is an *******. The man is an emotional wreck. Lost his sword hand, lost his son and so failed his king, Cersei snubs him constantly...nothing's right. He broke. Like he said, "I don't care." Makes for a deeper narrative...not just another run-of-the-mill redemption arc.
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Incest, you can't choose who you love.  And you'd do anything for the ones you love.

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There's only two clean characters in the entire series. Brienne and Davos. I might let people include Jon but I would personally disagree.

Everyone else is a liar, murderer, oath-breaker, adulterer, or generally ****** human being.

That being said I root for Arya, Melisandre, and Jaime.
Davos was a smuggler and pirate before joining Stannis though. Pretty sure he's not clean.
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There's only two clean characters in the entire series. Brienne and Davos. I might let people include Jon but I would personally disagree.

Everyone else is a liar, murderer, oath-breaker, adulterer, or generally ****** human being.

That being said I root for Arya, Melisandre, and Jaime.

Brienne as much of murderer as Arya.

Davos is a former smuggler and cost hundreds if not thousands of people lives at the Blackwater.
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Cersei is the, killed a king and more notable people, she is whole reason for this war, ***** her brother, and she's just getting started.

No hate for Littlefinger nerd.gif ?
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Cersei is the, killed a king and more notable people, she is whole reason for this war, ***** her brother, and she's just getting started.

No hate for Littlefinger nerd.gif ?

Forgot about him, I don't hate any characters besides the Freys & a lot of the Greyjoys

Cersei Jaime, etc... are a necessary evil imo
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