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An update from Zach Lowe on SportVU:
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The SportVU Follow-up: Answering the Most Common Questions and More Ghost Players
I have a ton of cool information from the Raptors’ analytics program that didn't fit in yesterday's original big-picture piece, so I wanted to share at least some of it here. A roundup of leftover thoughts on analytics, the evolution of the NBA, and the Raptors:
• The two most common responses I got from both league executives and fans were versions of:
1. Holy cow! The Raptors are way ahead of (Insert Team X) in gleaning useful data from the SportVU camera systems.
2. If Toronto’s front office is so savvy, and so determined to combine traditional “eye test” analysis with the most advanced data available, why are they still a mediocre team? And why did they trade for Rudy Gay, an inefficient player whom a new, analytics-savvy front office in Memphis dumped within months of their ascension?
That question in part gets at the simplistic cause-and-effect assumptions that infect too much NBA analysis: A team is smart; ergo, it should be good. Or: A team is dumb; ergo, it should be bad. The real NBA doesn’t work that way over short time spans, and it’s especially strange to argue that it would in connection with a piece of technology that's practically brand-new. A bunch of key variables outside the smart/dumb continuum affect the success of an NBA team: geographic location, ownership, willingness to approach the luxury tax, injuries, and plain old luck. Yup, luck. R.C. Buford, Gregg Popovich, and Sam Presti are clearly three of the smartest basketball people alive, but the “models” upon which their long-term success is built collapse without a piece of insanely good lottery fortune at Step 1. They’d all happily concede the same.
All the advanced analytics in the world won’t change the fact that teams generally need a top-15 player, or multiple top-30 players, in order to seriously contend for the title. (We can argue later about whether Denver is bucking this trend now.) Houston probably has the largest team of analytics-oriented front-office people, and every time a franchise-level star becomes available, they chase them as giddily as I chased Swin Cash around All-Star weekend. (Note: Swin’s restraining order does not cover mentions on Grantland).
As for the proliferation of inefficient and overpaid players on Toronto’s roster — Gay, DeMar DeRozan, Andrea Bargnani, Landry Fields — it’s fair to question all of those signings and re-signings, all of which happened before Toronto had gotten this far along in the SportVU revolution. Front offices are not a monolith. It’s possible some within Toronto’s front office disagreed with general manager Bryan Colangelo when it came time to sign off on all these deals. And if you ask Colangelo about them, he’d probably cite a number of “traditional” variables that factored into each one — the desire for a star attraction (Gay), the team’s willingness to approach or pay the luxury tax, the time it put into developing a young player (DeRozan), the misguided signing of Fields to block New York’s pursuit of Steve Nash, and the goal of locking up a young asset in DeRozan at a tradeable (if inflated) price — just as Denver did with JaVale McGee. The Gay trade was a calculated risk that probably won’t move the needle much, but it represented an understandable move from a team that doesn’t attract star free agents and needed to monetize both an expiring deal (Jose Calderon) and a non-core asset about to go up dramatically in price (Ed Davis). Gay’s next contract will be telling, though.
They’re all questionable moves. But they don’t discredit the importance of analytics as a tool.
• The natural follow-up question: If teams need a franchise player (duh) and use all sorts of “traditional” criteria in making decisions, does all this fancy stuff even matter? Does it make any difference?
Of course it can, and it does. No smart person would dismiss any piece of information, which is why no NBA team is dismissing SportVU or analytics in general. Even the Knicks, long and justifiably derided as James Dolan’s brainless money pit, have invested in the cameras and hired well-qualified analytics people.
On the simplest level, the cameras will give coaching staffs much better information in preparation for specific opponents. The Raptors, for instance, have tracked how teams defend the pick-and-roll over tens of thousands of those plays: Do they have the big man defending the screener blitz out at the ball handler, effectively trapping him? Or do they prefer to drop that big man back toward the foul line? Is there a middle ground? And do they like forcing pick-and-rolls left and/or toward the sideline?
Toronto knows those answers, and even better, they know how effective teams are when they employ particular strategies. Miami, for instance, blitzes (or “shows”) on about 52 percent of pick-and-rolls — by far the highest percentage in the league. You probably could've guessed that, but it’s still good to know, and it’s interesting to think about the other 48 percent of pick-and-rolls.
But did you know that Portland is No. 2 so far this season, dispatching a big man in some form on 45 percent of opponents' pick-and-rolls? Or that most of the best pick-and-roll defenses lean toward a more aggressive style of play, pursuing opponents' point guards a bit farther from the hoop than less successful teams? Boston and Oklahoma City are both around Portland’s territory in this department, and the data shows that Boston is especially stingy when their big-man defender takes an aggressive stance. “The best pick-and-roll defense teams hardly ever drop [their big man back],” says Raptors director of analytics Alex Rucker. The exceptions, according to the data: Chicago and San Antonio.
• It might sound counterintuitive, but opponents of Boston and New York, respectively, have much more success generating points when they involve Kevin Garnett and Tyson Chandler directly in pick-and-roll plays by using their man as the screener, according to Toronto’s data. Why? Probably because doing so removes an elite defender from the back line, although there is still much to learn here. Wouldn’t you like to know this stuff?
• The Raptors have also studied the flip side: How does Opponent X do on offense when defenses blitz the pick-and-roll? What happens to their points per possession when defenses drop back instead?
• Most pick-and-rolls involving two wing players or guards — the Kevin Durant-Russell Westbrook or LeBron James-Dwyane Wade versions, for instance — are devastatingly effective, according to Toronto’s data. This is partly because teams are using them judiciously, Rucker says, reserving them for elite player combinations. Should teams perhaps broaden their use of this type of play, given its effectiveness around the NBA so far?
• And now, since people really seem to like these ghost videos, a video interlude:
This is a pretty common NBA action, with John Lucas III (No. 5 in white) running a pick-and-roll with Terrence Ross (No. 31) on the left side of the floor while Alan Anderson (No. 6) curls around two screens and comes out on the opposite side for a possible jumper.
Ross, not exactly a thick man or a rugged screener, somehow destroys George Hill (No. 3) with his pick, allowing Lucas to approach the foul line unguarded. Here’s how the Pacers’ defenders (in blue) and their ghosts (transparent, same jersey numbers) respond to this semi-crisis:
That’s Ian Mahinmi, No. 28, in the middle of the paint, and he’s done an almost perfect job mimicking his ghost in order to contain Lucas in an emergency; he’s abandoned his original mark (Amir Johnson, No. 15 in white) in order to wall off the paint.
But look at Lance Stephenson (No. 1 in blue) and Ghost Lance behind him. The real Stephenson has continued along the path he’d normally take on this play, trailing Anderson wide around Johnson’s screen. But Ghost Lance has recognized that Mahinmi has called an audible and adjusted in kind — by cutting off his normal path, darting to the inside, and doing his best to contain the suddenly wide-open Johnson.
Real Stephenson’s failure to do this — a very difficult snap judgment, it must be said — becomes important when Lucas's shot misses, and Johnson winds up in total control of a large chunk of rebounding territory:
The Raptors can actually measure this. See that little “X” right above Johnson’s No. 15? That's the exact spot at which the ball will reach 9 feet in height after ricocheting off the rim, according to Toronto’s algorithms, which use the camera data to track speed of the ball, shot trajectory, and other variables to come up with that “X.” The different shadings correspond to areas of the court that individual players “control” when the rebound phase of a possession begins; that purple chunk of real estate belongs to Johnson, and the program can factor in Johnson’s length, height, and rebounding skills to determine the size of that chunk.
The implications of this are interesting, and lots of teams have already started using the camera data to investigate rebounding. They can evaluate individual players by figuring out how often a player actually nabs a rebound that lands within his controlled space. Wouldn’t you like to know that kind of thing before handing a power forward $10 million per year? “When we were growing up, you’d always ask, ‘Is this guy hustling? Is he playing hard?’ says Ed Stefanski, Toronto’s executive vice-president of basketball operations. “Now, with these cameras, you can’t hide.”
League executives, especially on the 15 teams who've purchased the SportVU system from STATS, hope this kind of data can work to put a dollar figure on work ethic, defense, and other skills beyond scoring.
Teams, including the Raptors and a group of academics who presented at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, have also started looking at whether teams are too cautious in crashing the offensive glass, i.e., whether the gains in sending an extra guy to the boards outweigh the ground you might lose in transition defense. The MIT team recommended crashing more aggressively, and although the Raptors haven’t embraced that conclusion with quite the same gung-ho enthusiasm, they’re also leaning toward the idea that crashing the offensive glass more aggressively is a good thing — especially for teams with players capable of both chasing a rebound and retreating hard on transition defense on the same play. Among players who can do both very well, per Toronto’s data: Kevin Love and Amir Johnson.
• A lot of people asked about Rucker’s assertion that a 28 percent 3-point shot is better than a 42 percent mid-range jumper. That statement obviously doesn’t necessarily apply universally; personnel, time in the game, scoring margin, and the shot clock are all important variables. But three is greater than two, and every study of rebounding has found 3’s also lead to a much higher number of offensive rebounds than mid-range shots. They might also lead to long rebounds and fast-breaks for opponents, but the evidence of damage there is less clear.
• The Raptors have also started looking at which teams are best at using particular offensive plays to finish possessions. In other words, everyone runs a bunch of pick-and-rolls, but which teams most often gain an advantage via the pick-and-roll that actually leads to a shot — and not the resetting of the offense for some other action?
Golden State, for instance, runs relatively few pick-and-rolls in raw terms, but a whopping 67 percent of those pick-and-rolls start a cascade of events that lead to the end of a possession — the highest “conversion” rate in the league. Brooklyn ranks at the bottom of that list, meaning Nets’ pick-and-rolls are more likely than those of any other team to go nowhere and lead to the resetting of the offense. That’s not necessarily a bad thing; Miami's way down there, as well. But unlike the Nets, the Heat are ridiculously efficient on possessions where a pick-and-roll does lead to a conclusive event. This suggests that Miami is (a) just really good, and (b) smart about recognizing when a pick-and-roll hasn’t done enough, and something else, even another pick-and-roll, might yield something better, Rucker says.
• Tony Parker runs 36 pick-and-rolls per 36 minutes, or one per minute. Shaun Livingston runs about 14 per 36 minutes. Just a fun fact. Both have been among the league’s 15 or 20 most efficient ball handlers, in terms of team points scored when they run a pick-and-roll, and that pick-and-roll leads to the end of a possession.
• Here’s something interesting: Toronto’s analytics team believes isolations — those selfish and allegedly inefficient plays — might be very good things for some offenses, and the Raps’ current data suggests possessions that end via some event that results from an isolation are about as efficient as pick-and-rolls that do the same. This is where the SportVU data can go beyond something like Synergy, a stat-tracking tool every team uses. Isolations come out as very low-efficiency on Synergy, since Synergy measures only shots that come from the player isolating one-on-one. It doesn’t precisely measure what happens when that player draws help and kicks to a spot-up shooter, and when that spot-up shooter then drives, draws more help, and kicks to an even more open shooter who knocks down a 3.
The Raptors are doing that, and they’ve found isolations in that larger sense are quite efficient — at least for teams with the right personnel. “They’re fabulous for us,” Rucker says.
• The same is true of post-ups, which are low efficiency on their own, but much higher when you include shots that come via kick-out passes to open shooters and other trickle-down events — at least according to Toronto’s data. Post-ups are also more likely than other plays to lead to some end-of-possession event, and not to the resetting of the offense.
• One of the very best isolation players in the league, by this metric, is Clippers guard Jamal Crawford. According to Toronto’s data, Crawford runs about 8.5 isolations per 36 minutes. The Clips have scored about 1.36 points per possession on those plays, which is so far above the average isolation number (about 1.02) as to be ridiculous. Interestingly, Crawford’s pick-and-rolls have been among the league’s least efficient.
• The Raptors have filtered out garbage time, but they could also filter their numbers to include only garbage time, if they’re ever curious to learn the real garbage-time All-Stars. According to Toronto’s internal standards, the average NBA game contains just over 45 minutes of meaningful basketball, and 2.5 minutes or so of garbage time.
• One more fun ghost video from a Pacers-Raptors game: Keep an eye on Kyle Lowry (No. 3 in white) and Ghost Lowry as Indiana swings the ball around. Real Lowry gambles for a steal, as real Lowry is prone to do, and Ghost Lowry frowns upon this risky behavior. Fun times.
• I could go on. The point is that even though the sheer amount of data can be overwhelming, if a team has the right people looking at it in the right ways — a task that will literally take years — it is clearly helpful. It won’t rig the draft lottery, land a franchise player, and eliminate bad decisions and bad general managers; Michael Beasley will still be drawing a paycheck years from now. Data will never replace watching games and all the dirty work of scouting, and no sane person has ever argued it could. But it can help on the margins, and the margins are very important as the level of competition tightens. It can help a team unearth bargains, identify market inefficiencies, serve as the final nudge toward a decisive lineup change (e.g., the Mavericks' decision to start J.J. Barea midway through the 2011 Finals), and guide a team toward players with specific skill sets it values highly because of the camera system. In other words, if you want players who defend like ghosts, find them and sign them, especially if the marketplace undervalues them.
I think Ghost DeRozan is still available.
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So with the ghosts, they have to assume that the player hears or knows an audible, and adjusts himself to it, rather than continuing on with his current defense? Doesn't that get dicey?
So and so gambled for a steal, but he should have played back. What if that player read the passers eyes, or had timed the pass, just missed by an eyelash? I don't see how ghosting that helps determine anything, defensive is about being aggressive, ghosting seems like being cautious and safe.
So and so gambled for a steal, but he should have played back. What if that player read the passers eyes, or had timed the pass, just missed by an eyelash? I don't see how ghosting that helps determine anything, defensive is about being aggressive, ghosting seems like being cautious and safe.
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A couple things:
1. Good team defenders see everything happening before it actually happens. So for example - once Stephenson saw that George Hill got smashed by the screen, he should know Mahinmi is supposed to step up and protect the rim. He doesn't need to hear anything or hear an audible. As soon as he realizes Mahinmi is going to have to step up, he needs to slide down and rotate over to Mahinmi's man because Amir Johnson is open at the rim. Theoretically, he should understand that Johnson being open at the rim is a much bigger threat than his man open 17 feet away.
2. It does get a little dicey because it does depend on your defensive schemes + if Stephenson was guarding Ray Allen there - he wouldn't know whether to leave Allen open for a 3 or crash down and help on the big at the rim. Players are humans, so there are going to be mix-ups, miscommunications, etc. Lowe is pointing out very specific plays but patterns start to develop over a larger sample size. Maybe you notice that Stephenson is far too worried about mid-range shooters when he should be worried about protecting the rim? This stuff should help a lot. It's hard but these are the reads that separate guys like KG/Tyson Chandler from guys like Ibaka, McGee. Team defense is not easy.
3. The ghosting system doesn't encourage players to jump the passing lane like that because very few defensive schemes actually want you to do that. Doesn't mean the play is right or wrong. Players get the leeway to do it because if it works, it's 2 points - but you can bet that a coach like Thibs - is very unhappy when someone gambles like that and completely whiffs. So again - sample size. On this one play, you can live with Lowry trying and missing. If you notice he only gets a steal on like 5% of times when he jumps the passing lane, the coaching staff can tell him to stop completely because it's hurting the defense.
I wonder how the coaching staff is using this. They'd be crazy to ignore a program like this. Absolutely nuts.
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In part 1 of Lowe's article there were examples where the ghosts were much more aggressive than the real players who were being cautious and safe. But he pointed out the energy it takes to play that style might be unsustainable for most players not named LeBron.
This stuff is fascinating to me.
This stuff is fascinating to me.
So these overhead cameras just use the dots as action, they don't include actual video of the plays from above? So like if a player tripped, how does that convey in the vid?
I noticed in the first one the ball handler turned green as he went around the pick, is that in motion or something to the effect?
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I noticed in the first one the ball handler turned green as he went around the pick, is that in motion or something to the effect?
BTW, it's very comfy in here. Like it.
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Thanks to the detox, cortisone shot and short rest from All-Star Weekend, Deron Williams has seemed to regain his old form. Over his last ten games: 24.5 PPG (49.4/42.7/84 for a TS% of 62.5%) and 7.2 APG (1.9 TPG). When on the court, the Nets have scored 108.3 points per 100 possessions, while giving up 101.2 points per 100 possessions on defense. The Nets are 6-4 in this time and could still nab the #2 seed in the East.
It's nice to have you back D-Will.
Thanks to the detox, cortisone shot and short rest from All-Star Weekend, Deron Williams has seemed to regain his old form. Over his last ten games: 24.5 PPG (49.4/42.7/84 for a TS% of 62.5%) and 7.2 APG (1.9 TPG). When on the court, the Nets have scored 108.3 points per 100 possessions, while giving up 101.2 points per 100 possessions on defense. The Nets are 6-4 in this time and could still nab the #2 seed in the East.
It's nice to have you back D-Will.
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Since the All-Star Break (12 games, 3-9 record):
The Youngsters
Gordon Hayward - 16.7 PPG (42.8/47.2/83.9) and 3.1 APG (1.3 TPG) in 33.3 MPG.
Derrick Favors - 9.1 PPG (46.1/68.3), 8.5 RPG (18.5% TRR) and 2.4 BPG in 25.6 MPG.
Enes Kanter - 10.6 PPG (57.3/89.3) and 5.9 RPG (17.1% TRR) in 20.2 MPG.
Alec Burks - 8.6 PPG (41.5/33.3/76) in 22.7 MPG.
The Veterans
Al Jefferson - 15.2 PPG (46.3/52) and 8.4 RPG (15.2% TRR) in 33.3 MPG.
Paul Millsap - 14 PPG (47.5/78.3) and 7.3 RPG (14.4% TRR) in 28.9 MPG.
Marvin Williams - 6.7 PPG (41.9/34.8/76.9) in 21.8 MPG.
Randy Foye - 5.8 PPG (28.1/30.2/100) in 22 MPG.
Mo Williams - 8.6 PPG (35.4/37.5/71.4), 4.9 APG (2.6 TPG) in 27.1 MPG.
At least Dennis Lindsay and Kevin O'Connor get to reset the roster this summer. The way things have gone on since the All-Star Break,I think they'll let the current veterans go, even if that means no compensation in return. Their team cap for 2013-14 is $26.1 million (counting Marvin Williams' player option, but not factoring two first round draft picks' cap holds), so I expect them to acquire a stop gap or two to get to the salary cap floor (Pau Gasol and Jose Calderon?) while letting the youngsters soak up the majority of the minutes next season.
Since the All-Star Break (12 games, 3-9 record):
The Youngsters
Gordon Hayward - 16.7 PPG (42.8/47.2/83.9) and 3.1 APG (1.3 TPG) in 33.3 MPG.
Derrick Favors - 9.1 PPG (46.1/68.3), 8.5 RPG (18.5% TRR) and 2.4 BPG in 25.6 MPG.
Enes Kanter - 10.6 PPG (57.3/89.3) and 5.9 RPG (17.1% TRR) in 20.2 MPG.
Alec Burks - 8.6 PPG (41.5/33.3/76) in 22.7 MPG.
The Veterans
Al Jefferson - 15.2 PPG (46.3/52) and 8.4 RPG (15.2% TRR) in 33.3 MPG.
Paul Millsap - 14 PPG (47.5/78.3) and 7.3 RPG (14.4% TRR) in 28.9 MPG.
Marvin Williams - 6.7 PPG (41.9/34.8/76.9) in 21.8 MPG.
Randy Foye - 5.8 PPG (28.1/30.2/100) in 22 MPG.
Mo Williams - 8.6 PPG (35.4/37.5/71.4), 4.9 APG (2.6 TPG) in 27.1 MPG.
At least Dennis Lindsay and Kevin O'Connor get to reset the roster this summer. The way things have gone on since the All-Star Break,I think they'll let the current veterans go, even if that means no compensation in return. Their team cap for 2013-14 is $26.1 million (counting Marvin Williams' player option, but not factoring two first round draft picks' cap holds), so I expect them to acquire a stop gap or two to get to the salary cap floor (Pau Gasol and Jose Calderon?) while letting the youngsters soak up the majority of the minutes next season.
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Wouldn't it be smarter for them to bottom out next year especially considering how strong next year's draft should be?
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I could see that as well.
But I don't think they'll be bad enough to "bottom out".
But I don't think they'll be bad enough to "bottom out".
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From an excellent Grantland article about the Jazz.
Among other things, it suggests that they may try to sign-and-trade Jefferson/Millsap, but could just as easily let them walk. Also, possibly keeping one of them, and that Millsap would be the better option because Jefferson wears an invisibility cloak on defense.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9042169/al-jefferson-paul-millsap-tyrone-corbin-future-utah-jazz
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Kev, if you haven't you should follow @Lockedonsports on Twitter. He's the Jazz radio PBP guy. He provides a lot of information on the team (and league) on a daily basis. I pretty much listen to him everyday in the morning.
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Awesome. Thanks.
I can't get enough of this Jazz team, man. That article isn't exaggerating; they really might be the most fascinating team/situation in the league.
I hope they don't stop their Bledsoe pursuit. He's not the "pure" point guard that they need, but he's in the realm, and his defense and athleticism would go a long way with the guys around him.
I have a feeling Ty Corbin might not make it into the next era (or even until his contract is up after next season), especially with this cliff-dive and a newish regime.
What I would love to see next season, somehow:
Kanter
Millsap
Hayward
Free agent
Bledsoe
Favors
Burks
Carroll
Evans (underrated)
Hopefully not Ma. Williams
Draft pick
Draft pick
Losing Jefferson and Millsap would open up so many doors. I just have a feeling I wouldn't personally like the outcome. Not that I'm much of a Millsap fan at all, but I'm already expecting them to sign Kevin Martin and hate that.
I can't get enough of this Jazz team, man. That article isn't exaggerating; they really might be the most fascinating team/situation in the league.
I hope they don't stop their Bledsoe pursuit. He's not the "pure" point guard that they need, but he's in the realm, and his defense and athleticism would go a long way with the guys around him.
I have a feeling Ty Corbin might not make it into the next era (or even until his contract is up after next season), especially with this cliff-dive and a newish regime.
What I would love to see next season, somehow:
Kanter
Millsap
Hayward
Free agent
Bledsoe
Favors
Burks
Carroll
Evans (underrated)
Hopefully not Ma. Williams
Draft pick
Draft pick
Losing Jefferson and Millsap would open up so many doors. I just have a feeling I wouldn't personally like the outcome. Not that I'm much of a Millsap fan at all, but I'm already expecting them to sign Kevin Martin and hate that.
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Marvin Williams. 
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:x- Fits under the 2014 plan
- Reduces the team's cap
- A proven rotation player
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So these overhead cameras just use the dots as action, they don't include actual video of the plays from above? So like if a player tripped, how does that convey in the vid?
I noticed in the first one the ball handler turned green as he went around the pick, is that in motion or something to the effect?
BTW, it's very comfy in here. Like it.
I would assume that they have these dots just to make it easier/quicker to see. I bet if they wanted to look at play 24, they could see an actual clip of it. It's just as important to know why something happened. From what I see is that it turns green when some sort of action happens on the ball - so in that play, it turned green because there was a pick and roll - it was highlighting the two players involved.
On the Jazz, I actually think they've handled their young players very poorly. I'm a Net fan, so I got to see Favors and his potential first hand for awhile - so I'm rooting for him BUT he's about to go into his 4th year and hasn't played more than 20 mpg. Kanter hasn't played more than 15 mpg in 2 years. I don't think young guys should be rushed but these two are top 3 picks. They need experience. Not sure how or why you keep Millsap AND Jefferson this long. Hopefully they clean house and get rid of all these mediocre vets. That's why I don't find the Jazz exciting or fascinating, they just piss me off.
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In seven games since the Grantland article: 23.4 PPG (55.5/71.4/84.1 for a 63.4 TS%), 4.9 RPG, 10.4 APG (3.4 TPG) in leading the Wizards to a 5-2 record. He's responsible for 46.5% of the assists recorded for the Wizards in this period.
Get that money.
In seven games since the Grantland article: 23.4 PPG (55.5/71.4/84.1 for a 63.4 TS%), 4.9 RPG, 10.4 APG (3.4 TPG) in leading the Wizards to a 5-2 record. He's responsible for 46.5% of the assists recorded for the Wizards in this period.
Get that money.
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Lillard since the trade: 21.4 PPG (47.9/43.3/86 for a 59.5%) and 6.5 APG (2.5 TPG) in 39 MPG.
Maynor since the trade: 7.3 PPG (43.4/35.7/73.7 for a 52.3% TS%) and 3.7 APG (1.8 TPG) in 21.2 MPG.
Blazers' record since the trade: 8-8 (8-7 in games Maynor has logged minutes)
Really encouraging signs for a team that's depth hurt their playoff chances. I'm not sure about the market Maynor will attract this summer as a free agent, but I'm thinking he won't get more than two years given his slow start to this season thanks to the ACL tear. But two years with a player option sounds perfect for both Maynor and the Blazers.
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Lillard since the trade: 21.4 PPG (47.9/43.3/86 for a 59.5%) and 6.5 APG (2.5 TPG) in 39 MPG.
Maynor since the trade: 7.3 PPG (43.4/35.7/73.7 for a 52.3% TS%) and 3.7 APG (1.8 TPG) in 21.2 MPG.
Blazers' record since the trade: 8-8 (8-7 in games Maynor has logged minutes)
Really encouraging signs for a team that's depth hurt their playoff chances. I'm not sure about the market Maynor will attract this summer as a free agent, but I'm thinking he won't get more than two years given his slow start to this season thanks to the ACL tear. But two years with a player option sounds perfect for both Maynor and the Blazers.
When do we give up on the ceiling of Batum? Another year gone by, another year of him turning in random awesome performances, followed by "did he play tonight?" performances.
Hell, LMA gettin close to 30 already ain't he? And Batum isn't helping out full time, yet?
If Hickson leaves, but Maynor stays, are they even stepping forward? Losing Hickson will piss off LMA pretty good I would imagine, he'd have to do a lot more heavy lifting down low.
Hell, LMA gettin close to 30 already ain't he? And Batum isn't helping out full time, yet?
If Hickson leaves, but Maynor stays, are they even stepping forward? Losing Hickson will piss off LMA pretty good I would imagine, he'd have to do a lot more heavy lifting down low.
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I never was a Batum believer, but he was really good to start the season (legitimately the second best SF in the Western Conference). I think his decline the last few months is due as much to over-exhaustion as anything.When do we give up on the ceiling of Batum? Another year gone by, another year of him turning in random awesome performances, followed by "did he play tonight?" performances.
Hell, LMA gettin close to 30 already ain't he? And Batum isn't helping out full time, yet?
If Hickson leaves, but Maynor stays, are they even stepping forward? Losing Hickson will piss off LMA pretty good I would imagine, he'd have to do a lot more heavy lifting down low.
Aldridge is 27, going on 28 in July. I don't think they have to make a move involving him until the middle of next season to avoid a Carmelo Anthony hijacking the season situation (smaller scale of course).
I think Hickson will leave for the money elsewhere. I'm thinking management hopes Leonard is ready to be a serviceable starter next season.
So that's hopefully:
Leonard
Aldridge
Batum
Matthews
Lillard
Freeland
Claver
Barton
Maynor
They should figure to have a low lottery pick and around $13 million in cap space to round out the roster. I don't think they'll get a star by any means in free agency (see 2009), but I think a reliable rotation player can be had.
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I've been wanting Splitter to get this much PT since last year, I wasnt a fan of the Boris Diaw thing at all. It just made us too small and for years I've wanted more size in the roster. I still think we need some but Splitter
iaw and Blair combined.
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I never was a Batum believer, but he was really good to start the season (legitimately the second best SF in the Western Conference). I think his decline the last few months is due as much to over-exhaustion as anything.When do we give up on the ceiling of Batum? Another year gone by, another year of him turning in random awesome performances, followed by "did he play tonight?" performances.
Hell, LMA gettin close to 30 already ain't he? And Batum isn't helping out full time, yet?
If Hickson leaves, but Maynor stays, are they even stepping forward? Losing Hickson will piss off LMA pretty good I would imagine, he'd have to do a lot more heavy lifting down low.
Aldridge is 27, going on 28 in July. I don't think they have to make a move involving him until the middle of next season to avoid a Carmelo Anthony hijacking the season situation (smaller scale of course).
I think Hickson will leave for the money elsewhere. I'm thinking management hopes Leonard is ready to be a serviceable starter next season.
So that's hopefully:
Leonard
Aldridge
Batum
Matthews
Lillard
Freeland
Claver
Barton
Maynor
They should figure to have a low lottery pick and around $13 million in cap space to round out the roster. I don't think they'll get a star by any means in free agency (see 2009), but I think a reliable rotation player can be had.
I'd be shocked if Leonard is ready as early as next year. Shocked.
Everyone ready for Jarret Jack to look like a max contract player tonight?
Dude would be in Michael Jordan discussion if he played us 82 xs a year.