Father Indicted For Beating Daughters Over ‘Twerking’ Video

BALH ENH · Apr 5, 2013

ill steelo said:
Simply taking away privileges is more effective.

Find out what they love the most, and take it away for a few weeks/months.

Doesn't work if they still have a school life. All they gotta do is not come home.

If you never been beat with foreign objects, yall would stand up and defend the girls. I hope yall dont have daughters, cause they're gonna run yall ****** in the ground.

BALH ENH · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
How to not be a lazy parent 101:

Luckily American kids are privileged and have things that could be taken away. Even the poorest of Americans have luxuries that can be taken away.

1. Strictly enforced curfew
2. Take away cell phone
3. Take away TV
4. Take away internet and comp (this one is critical). They can't fb, instagram, talk to friends, or post twerk vid at least not from home.
5. Go through her clothes, take away anything that could be considered sexy or fashionable. Replace with Mormon clothes with the chastity belt attached.
6. Take locks off doors.
7. It takes money to buy make-up, get hair done. Take all that away so she looks as unattractive as possible.
8. Suspend all after-school activities that don't have to do with academics (eg cheerleading)-This would take collaboration with school staff.

OK, so what about when they go stay with their moms? Complete opposite.

spiceman80 · Apr 5, 2013

Meek Meals said:
Says in da article that da mother's call because she noticed da welts on their bodies was what caused da police to take action.

so my man beats the fire out his daughters, and you telling me nobody {him or the daughters} let the moms no what went down? I'm sorry but that is kind of strange. I can't see him whooping them like that then, they all walk around like nothing happened. I'm sure any father in here would have let the mom's know what their daughters were doing and why he had to take action the minute it was over.

shoelyesses · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
How to not be a lazy parent 101:

Luckily American kids are privileged and have things that could be taken away. Even the poorest of Americans have luxuries that can be taken away.

1. Strictly enforced curfew
2. Take away cell phone
3. Take away TV
4. Take away internet and comp (this one is critical). They can't fb, instagram, talk to friends, or post twerk vid at least not from home.
5. Go through her clothes, take away anything that could be considered sexy or fashionable. Replace with Mormon clothes with the chastity belt attached.
6. Take locks off doors.
7. It takes money to buy make-up, get hair done. Take all that away so she looks as unattractive as possible.
8. Suspend all after-school activities that don't have to do with academics (eg cheerleading)-This would take collaboration with school staff.

Positive reinforcement and return of privileges + additional reward for good behavior

1. Good grades
2. Obeying the rules

Getting physical should always be a last resort. Grounding does nothing, parents ground their kids to go to their room full of stuff they can do (TV, comp, etc). Doing it wrong. I forget the comedian who said kids get grounded to their room, so they can fap on the internet all day.

Most importantly be there to talk to your kids as much as possible, know what's going on in their lives. Apparently, this dude didn't even live with them.

Ideally these all sound good, but in this particular situation it wouldn't work. One because they don't live with him so he really can't control all those factors you mentioned. Two more then likely, if he confronted the mom and suggested the things you said, the mom just out of sheer I'm independent, I don't need you how to tell me to raise my kids, you ain't even here everyday etc..... Would almost in a sense encourage the bad behavior just to try to spite the dad. Three even if it was enforced, the mom would make it out like they are good kids, nothing is wrong with what you're doing and it's your evil daddy, that just wanna punish you etc... All to get back at me.

And that would lead to the good cop/bad cop type of situation, in which the girls would resent him and not want to even visit and spend time with their father. So in a traditional family where mom/dad are in the same household, are unison on raising the kids, and just doing what's in their best interest, I agree with you. But with majority of families in which the father is systematically position as a pt parent, and a scorn revengeful hurt mother uses the kids like pawns, your suggestions just aren't feasible.

Mound Raised · Apr 5, 2013

U can clearly tell who doesn't have kids.

Original Playa Records · Apr 5, 2013

This is the perfect example of a woman using the legal system to attack the father.

Original Playa Records · Apr 5, 2013

mgrand15 said:
Man, I wish there was a study done of all the minorities that are criminals, deadbeats and ****. I bet 90% of them would tell you they were whipped as children. Maybe it'd stop you guys from acting like whipping children turns them into great upstanding citizens.

You'll realize a lot of thise kids came from homes with no discipline with the closet racisim.

I was disciplined as a child, i got the message.

rather have my parents beat me than harris county jail .

ya'll are lost, especially in a country that used to allow punishment in schools

i used to get the paddle all the time, i learned lessons.

antonlavey · Apr 5, 2013

H60D said:
OK, so what about when they go stay with their moms? Complete opposite.

Yea, people hate talking. They rather just beat instead of collaborating with the other parent on what's going on with their kids lives. This is rocket science and involves way too much work and thinking, its just easier to pull the cord out :nerd:

antonlavey · Apr 5, 2013

shoelyesses said:
Ideally these all sound good, but in this particular situation it wouldn't work. One because they don't live with him so he really can't control all those factors you mentioned. Two more then likely, if he confronted the mom and suggested the things you said, the mom just out of sheer I'm independent, I don't need you how to tell me to raise my kids, you ain't even here everyday etc..... Would almost in a sense encourage the bad behavior just to try to spite the dad. Three even if it was enforced, the mom would make it out like they are good kids, nothing is wrong with what you're doing and it's your evil daddy, that just wanna punish you etc... All to get back at me.

And that would lead to the good cop/bad cop type of situation, in which the girls would resent him and not want to even visit and spend time with their father. So in a traditional family where mom/dad are in the same household, are unison on raising the kids, and just doing what's in their best interest, I agree with you. But with majority of families in which the father is systematically position as a pt parent, and a scorn revengeful hurt mother uses the kids like pawns, your suggestions just aren't feasible.

Of course, because they are bad parents who refuse to communicate the kids have to suffer for it? :nerd:

Believe it or not there are parents who don't live together who are amicable and collaborative when it comes to their children's affairs. But I suppose I can't expect that from everyone.

heliumclinton · Apr 5, 2013

There's a difference between spanking and abuse

and tbh it would be much more harder for me to spank my daughter than my son, idk how he was hitting them like that :smh:

memphisboi55 · Apr 5, 2013

Ohio..

kingkoopa · Apr 5, 2013

memphisboi55 said:
Ohio..

mytmouse76 · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
This is what happens when an adult can't control his emotions and beat his children in anger. There's a fine line between discipline and crimes of passion. I hope they lock dude up and throw away the key.

hypebeast5 said:
Any beating leaving welts is excessive

I don't hope they throw away the key but I do believe he took it to far.

shoelyesses said:
Ideally these all sound good, but in this particular situation it wouldn't work. One because they don't live with him so he really can't control all those factors you mentioned. Two more then likely, if he confronted the mom and suggested the things you said, the mom just out of sheer I'm independent, I don't need you how to tell me to raise my kids, you ain't even here everyday etc..... Would almost in a sense encourage the bad behavior just to try to spite the dad. Three even if it was enforced, the mom would make it out like they are good kids, nothing is wrong with what you're doing and it's your evil daddy, that just wanna punish you etc... All to get back at me.

And that would lead to the good cop/bad cop type of situation, in which the girls would resent him and not want to even visit and spend time with their father. So in a traditional family where mom/dad are in the same household, are unison on raising the kids, and just doing what's in their best interest, I agree with you. But with majority of families in which the father is systematically position as a pt parent, and a scorn revengeful hurt mother uses the kids like pawns, your suggestions just aren't feasible.

Where do you get that from?

unknwn · Apr 5, 2013

My dad used to beat the **** out of me as a kid but this dude went to far.

He used a video cable, that would make most grown men cry from pain.

mytmouse76 · Apr 5, 2013

heLiumcLinton said:
There's a difference between spanking and abuse

and tbh it would be much more harder for me to spank my daughter than my son, idk how he was hitting them like that

daddy's girl FTW

my brother and cousins got it way worse from my dad than i did

i was also scared of getting spanked so the fear was enough to keep me straight lo

ill steelo · Apr 5, 2013

H60D said:
ill steelo said:

Simply taking away privileges is more effective.

Find out what they love the most, and take it away for a few weeks/months.

Click to expand...

Doesn't work if they still have a school life. All they gotta do is not come home.

If you never been beat with foreign objects, yall would stand up and defend the girls. I hope yall dont have daughters, cause they're gonna run yall ****** in the ground.

they could avoid beatings by not coming home as well. So what are u saying?

Where they gon be at anyway? Non academic After school extra curriculars? Collab with the school staff & end that

Over a friend's house all day? Collab with the friend's parents and end that

shoelyesses · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
Of course, because they are bad parents who refuse to communicate the kids have to suffer for it?

Believe it or not there are parents who don't live together who are amicable and collaborative when it comes to their children's affairs. But I suppose I can't expect that from everyone.

it doesnt have to be bad parents...if one usually its the mother..she wont communicate and do whats in the best interest of the child. Trust me they even call it a disease now...P.A.S... parent alienation syndrome. Yes theyre are some amicable parents who despite their differences put the childs best interest first....but thats like pulling straws...hitting the lottery man...

Also the main reason why it isnt that way because from a legal standpoint the fathers dont even have rights and priviledges unless they are paid for ie....higher a lawyer, pay court fees etc... then get rights...and even then its nothing more then paper...even if violated you have to wait until it becomes chronic and habitual and after that go back to court, in which the judge will at best give a firm talking to and a warning.

You have to see it for it is...a person who has free range to do as they please with little to no ramifications, plus not being held accountable, plus a father having to have the funds just to have a loopsided say so in theory. A person who can do as they please with no one to answer to, and no one to be held accountable to, plus more then likely spiteful.petty etc towards you, isnt exactly going to be the most understanding and compromising person. Then not to mention the other factors such as society depiction of fathers as nothing more then check earners, who when it comes to the basic domestic skills, raising kids, and making sound decisions in reference to kids are idiots at best, not to mention the oh "woman and men are the same" you dont need a man miss independant, talk to the hand blazay blazay.

I mean i hear you and it sounds like you speak from a young man, looking at stats/internet...never been married etc...with no kids...see these type of situations like x and o's..and basing your comments on sheer logic. But thing about it is having kids, and not being married with the mother etc.. logic especially on the womans end when emotions flairs goes out the window.

harlemtothebronx · Apr 5, 2013

Yo, a lot of y'all had some terrible childhoods. :lol:

antonlavey · Apr 5, 2013

shoelyesses said:
it doesnt have to be bad parents...if one usually its the mother..she wont communicate and do whats in the best interest of the child. Trust me they even call it a disease now...P.A.S... parent alienation syndrome. Yes theyre are some amicable parents who despite their differences put the childs best interest first....but thats like pulling straws...hitting the lottery man...

Also the main reason why it isnt that way because from a legal standpoint the fathers dont even have rights and priviledges unless they are paid for ie....higher a lawyer, pay court fees etc... then get rights...and even then its nothing more then paper...even if violated you have to wait until it becomes chronic and habitual and after that go back to court, in which the judge will at best give a firm talking to and a warning.

You have to see it for it is...a person who has free range to do as they please with little to no ramifications, plus not being held accountable, plus a father having to have the funds just to have a loopsided say so in theory. A person who can do as they please with no one to answer to, and no one to be held accountable to, plus more then likely spiteful.petty etc towards you, isnt exactly going to be the most understanding and compromising person. Then not to mention the other factors such as society depiction of fathers as nothing more then check earners, who when it comes to the basic domestic skills, raising kids, and making sound decisions in reference to kids are idiots at best, not to mention the oh "woman and men are the same" you dont need a man miss independant, talk to the hand blazay blazay.

I mean i hear you and it sounds like you speak from a young man, looking at stats/internet...never been married etc...with no kids...see these type of situations like x and o's..and basing your comments on sheer logic. But thing about it is having kids, and not being married with the mother etc.. logic especially on the womans end when emotions flairs goes out the window.

Yea, just because you have all these horrible experiences with marriage and having children doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone else or should be. I know parents who went through HORRENDOUS divorces who put their differences aside for their children. Don't give me that you're young nonsense, we've all been in conflicts with parents, siblings, coworkers, etc and a mid-20s male like myself knows about settling conflicts. This has nothing to do with logic, this has to do with doing what's RIGHT. This is about being mature adults and putting your differences aside to do what's right for your children. Society gives men a bad wrap but at the end of the day this isn't about the man, his needs and his ego, its about the children.

Regardless of what's going on, there is no excuse to strike a child like that. It almost sounds like you're making excuses for it. I can't be there 24/7 and my ex-wife frustrates me so I'm a hit my daughter. That's BS.

denni5themenace · Apr 5, 2013

it really depends on the mentality of the child, IMO. all kids react differently to disciplinary action.

my siblings and i got beat when i was a kid by belt/slipper/open palm. never to the point where it left marks, though.

whenever our parents took away a luxury, we found out ways around it. like when they tried to hide our video games,we would locate them when they're not looking. swap them out with another game/disc and play cool :lol:

whenever we got grounded, we would just stay in our rooms and occupy ourselves with videogames/toys.

but when they beat us, we knew we had to get right.

my parents eventually stopped as my siblings and i grew more disciplined. we all grew up fine and we love our parents :smile:

i dont think ill beat my kids, though.

shoelyesses · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
Yea, just because you have all these horrible experiences with marriage and having children doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone else or should be. I know parents who went through HORRENDOUS divorces who put their differences aside for their children. Don't give me that you're young nonsense, we've all been in conflicts with parents, siblings, coworkers, etc and a mid-20s male like myself knows about settling conflicts. This has nothing to do with logic, this has to do with doing what's RIGHT. This is about being mature adults and putting your differences aside to do what's right for your children. Society gives men a bad wrap but at the end of the day this isn't about the man, his needs and his ego, its about the children.

Regardless of what's going on, there is no excuse to strike a child like that. It almost sounds like you're making excuses for it. I can't be there 24/7 and my ex-wife frustrates me so I'm a hit my daughter. That's BS.

i never said it was for EVERYONE..... but family court...dfcs, family attorneys etc.... sure aint feeling the affects of this depression we as a nation are going through. Being a child and having conflicts with your ma/dad isnt the same as being a parent... i dont even see how can you even compare being a child to being responsible for a child.

Again you keep saying and using lets just use logic and do whats best for the child....if it was that simple their would be no family court, family attorneys etc... Hell wouldnt even have a such thing as p.a.s. nor fathers rights, or father rights attorneys. Clearly this whole notion of logic do whats in best interest for the kid isnt all that common...so uncommon to the point to where there are mediators, special attorneys... and a newfound diease for parents who dismiss logic and do whats best for the kid out of sheer, dislike, pettiness, wanting to be difficult, or just simply refuse to compromise.

Yes compromise is ideal...but usually compromise takes to willingly parties, and it takes two ppl willing to see the others perspective, and also be humbled enough to say your right im wrong... kinda hard to do that when a system and a society says pretty much no matter what you do is right, and pretty much what the other party does is wrong.

I personally was whooped and i see it as how we as a whole in society deal with things...temporary solution to a permenant problem..a bandaid on a bullet wound if you will. Ive always looked a whooping as promoting fear, instead of instilling good values/lessons etc... But not everyone agrees...i can say i never had to whoop my girls or even threating to whoop them and so far so good. i dont know if this was his first response...or did he talk to them first, try to explain to them etc. And i seriously doubt his ex-wife has anything to do with him whooping them. I just think he was so shocked and mortified he reacted offa emotions rather the ration.

I dont knock ppl who do whooping i just dont see the point in it. I know it can be effective...but i dont agree with this whole notion of whoopings are like the be all to end all...and its like so 100% success rate. Plus at their ages whooping seemed kinda silly. Tell you the truth id probably teach them on pyschological ish... like ok yall wanna act like ohs...ill show you a ohs life... show them prostitutes. show them some old washed up strippers.... let them see the life of some of these multi baby daddy welfare urchans... etc..kinda try a scared str8 approach.

Things like that have so far worked for me...although i really dont have to discipline them that much.

antonlavey · Apr 5, 2013

shoelyesses said:
i never said it was for EVERYONE..... but family court...dfcs, family attorneys etc.... sure aint feeling the affects of this depression we as a nation are going through. Being a child and having conflicts with your ma/dad isnt the same as being a parent... i dont even see how can you even compare being a child to being responsible for a child.

Again you keep saying and using lets just use logic and do whats best for the child....if it was that simple their would be no family court, family attorneys etc... Hell wouldnt even have a such thing as p.a.s. nor fathers rights, or father rights attorneys. Clearly this whole notion of logic do whats in best interest for the kid isnt all that common...so uncommon to the point to where there are mediators, special attorneys... and a newfound diease for parents who dismiss logic and do whats best for the kid out of sheer, dislike, pettiness, wanting to be difficult, or just simply refuse to compromise.

Yes compromise is ideal...but usually compromise takes to willingly parties, and it takes two ppl willing to see the others perspective, and also be humbled enough to say your right im wrong... kinda hard to do that when a system and a society says pretty much no matter what you do is right, and pretty much what the other party does is wrong.

I personally was whooped and i see it as how we as a whole in society deal with things...temporary solution to a permenant problem..a bandaid on a bullet wound if you will. Ive always looked a whooping as promoting fear, instead of instilling good values/lessons etc... But not everyone agrees...i can say i never had to whoop my girls or even threating to whoop them and so far so good. i dont know if this was his first response...or did he talk to them first, try to explain to them etc. And i seriously doubt his ex-wife has anything to do with him whooping them. I just think he was so shocked and mortified he reacted offa emotions rather the ration.

I dont knock ppl who do whooping i just dont see the point in it. I know it can be effective...but i dont agree with this whole notion of whoopings are like the be all to end all...and its like so 100% success rate. Plus at their ages whooping seemed kinda silly. Tell you the truth id probably teach them on pyschological ish... like ok yall wanna act like ohs...ill show you a ohs life... show them prostitutes. show them some old washed up strippers.... let them see the life of some of these multi baby daddy welfare urchans... etc..kinda try a scared str8 approach.

Things like that have so far worked for me...although i really dont have to discipline them that much.

I'm not even sure how this digressed to talking about marriage, and courts, and child support. Saying "do what's best for the child" is not logic, it's a value. I empathize with you, but I do not sympathize with you. Irregardless of what's going on with parents, kids should not have to suffer for it.

shoelyesses · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
I'm not even sure how this digressed to talking about marriage, and courts, and child support. Saying "do what's best for the child" is not logic, it's a value. I empathize with you, but I do not sympathize with you. Irregardless of what's going on with parents, kids should not have to suffer for it.

cause all that plays a part... in this situation...i know ppl like to see life like a movie and skip fast forward and only focus on the parts of the movie they like...but life doesnt work that way...and something lead to them girls being how they are...something lead to him acting out how he did...and all those factors play a huge part into what the overall outcome of this story is. To dismiss it to say um this was modern day brady bunch june cleaver family...and dad just came home went postal on some post war ptsd type steez, snapped and just went ape ish on this kids. I agree kids shouldnt have to suffer... but its waaaaaaaaay bigger then that...and its to many ppl, business, corps etc... who have money/business livelihood invested on all of those factors which will lead to ultimately something like this....which will result in money being spent...and money being made.

Im fortunate enough to not have to have dealt with this too much...but i have seen it far to many times and far to often. Where the kids best interest is somewhere near the bottom of the totem pole. I still believe he isnt a horrible man...and i think he went overboard and believe he had good intentions and just went about it in the wrong manner. And at worst i would hope he get fined etc... Him serving time..isnt in the best interest in the kids...despite the latest trends of kids in particular girls dont need a man/father. Until more comes about the story...im not ready to label dude joe jackson...

antonlavey · Apr 5, 2013

shoelyesses said:
cause all that plays a part... in this situation...i know ppl like to see life like a movie and skip fast forward and only focus on the parts of the movie they like...but life doesnt work that way...and something lead to them girls being how they are...something lead to him acting out how he did...and all those factors play a huge part into what the overall outcome of this story is. To dismiss it to say um this was modern day brady bunch june cleaver family...and dad just came home went postal on some post war ptsd type steez, snapped and just went ape ish on this kids. I agree kids shouldnt have to suffer... but its waaaaaaaaay bigger then that...and its to many ppl, business, corps etc... who have money/business livelihood invested on all of those factors which will lead to ultimately something like this....which will result in money being spent...and money being made.

Im fortunate enough to not have to have dealt with this too much...but i have seen it far to many times and far to often. Where the kids best interest is somewhere near the bottom of the totem pole. I still believe he isnt a horrible man...and i think he went overboard and believe he had good intentions and just went about it in the wrong manner. And at worst i would hope he get fined etc... Him serving time..isnt in the best interest in the kids...despite the latest trends of kids in particular girls dont need a man/father. Until more comes about the story...im not ready to label dude joe jackson...

Yea, don't abuse your kids. I'll save you the long rant. I could entertain why someone would do that all day. Father beat me, I live in the hood, my family is a broken home, we aint the Brady bunch. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

shoelyesses · Apr 5, 2013

AntonLaVey said:
Yea, don't abuse your kids. I'll save you the long rant. I could entertain why someone would do that all day. Father beat me, I live in the hood, my family is a broken home, we aint the Brady bunch. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

but why is physical abuse being emphasized so much...and not emotional and psychological abuse? Its like your almost downplaying that portion to say physical abuse (and its really in question in this case) trumps/dismisses emotional/psychological abuse.

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