The Sopranos...ending

gambit215 said:
Soprano's = One of the most overrated shows of all time...................... :smh:


Magic Russian gets shot in the head, gets away never to be seen again................ :D


Ending = Big middle finger to all of you sheep, who surrounded their lives around this show when it was still on air........... :rofl:



The fact that some of you started/finished this series in 2013 means ya need to step up ya cable bill....... |I
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movie was supposed to happen.  The owner of satin dolls (the bada bing) strip club wanted to remodel the whole club, but was told to wait because of certain events that might take place.  But that was a like 3 years ago.
 
[h1]'The Sopranos' Writer David Chase Talks HBO Series Finale[/h1]
By JAKE COYLE 12/17/12 05:10 PM ET EST
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In a recent interview with David Chase about his new film, "Not Fade Away," the conversation inevitably turned to "The Sopranos" and its infamous ending. Below are Chase's comments reflecting on watching the final episode for the first time two years ago, with only an occasional interjection from a reporter.

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I thought the episode itself might have been kind of a dud, but it wasn't. I was proud of it. I was satisfied that we'd done something. What I didn't understand was that the ending would be so talked-about that it would completely obliterate the rest of the episode that came before it. No one ever even saw it, talked about it, mentioned it or anything about it – and I think didn't even interpret it correctly because all they talked about was that ending. I did not know that would happen.

I think a lot of people thought they were being made a fool of, that I was being really meta – is that the word? – and postmodern or just showing my quote-unquote "contempt" for the audience or going "Ha, ha, ha. It's just a TV show." None of that was what was going on. That was the best ending I knew to come up with and I thought it said some things but people didn't get it because they were angry. Or maybe it wasn't executed well.

I do wish that connection had been made better. To me the question is not whether Tony lived or died, and that's all that people wanted to know: "Well, did he live or did he die? You didn't finish the show. You didn't answer the question." That's preposterous. There was something else I was saying that was more important than whether Tony Soprano lived or died. About the fragility of all of it. The whole show had been about time in a way, and the time allotted on this Earth. That whole trip out to California was all about that – what people called a dream sequence. And all the dream sequences within the show. Tony was dealing in mortality every day. He was dishing out life and death. And he was not happy. He was getting everything he wanted, that guy, but he wasn't happy. All I wanted to do was present the idea of how short life is and how precious it is. The only way I felt I could do that was to rip it away. And I think people did get it. It made them upset emotionally, but intellectually they didn't follow it. And that could very well be bad execution.

Did Tony die or didn't he die? Well, first of all, it really comes down to this: There was, what, six seasons of that show? Seven? Am I supposed to do a scene and ending where it shows that crime doesn't pay? Well, we saw that crime pays. We've been seeing that for how many years? Now, in another sense, we saw that crime didn't pay because it wasn't making him happy. He was an extremely isolated, unhappy man. And then finally, once in a while he would make a connection with his family and be happy there. But in this case, whatever happened, we never got to see the result of that. It was torn away from him and from us. I forget what my point was.

(AP: That the meaning of the show didn't have to be there in that final moment. It was there all along.)

Exactly. That's what I felt. It's really about time, to me – just to me – and love. What else do we have in this universe? It's a cold universe. People said, "Oh, the show is so dark," and it posited the notion that nobody ever changes. That was never my intention. Change is hard to come by, and like most of us, he wasn't trying hard enough. People said, "Oh, it got worse and worse and worse." I think he's the same guy in the beginning as he was in the end. Maybe had a little bit more capacity for compassion for people, I don't know.

I said it's a cold universe and I don't mean that metaphorically. If you go out into space, it's cold. It's really cold and we don't know what's up there. We happen to be in this little pocket where there's a sun. What have we got except love and each other to guard against all that isolation and loneliness?

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SoleByThePound said:
JChambers said:
Even he knows he messed up the finale. :smh:
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It happens, what I remember is there was in fact supposed to be a movie. If a movie would have been made the crybabies wouldn't have anything to complain about.
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What would the movie be about though? If it was after the finale, it would have to be about Tony getting indicted or killed, if they were gonna' do that, they should have just done it with the finale. I think a prequel would be a better fit for a film. Show Tony coming up in the ranks, meeting his wife, having his kids, etc.
 
Based on that interview he totally misread his viewers. After 7 years you would think he would have had a lock on the people that enjoyed the show.
 
JChambers said:
What would the movie be about though? If it was after the finale, it would have to be about Tony getting indicted or killed, if they were gonna' do that, they should have just done it with the finale. I think a prequel would be a better fit for a film. Show Tony coming up in the ranks, meeting his wife, having his kids, etc.
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I think the Finale was written with the idea of a movie being made. There was enough clues for viewers to believe Tony was killed; however if he weren't and the movie did come out people wouldn't have made such a big deal.
 
SoleByThePound said:
JChambers said:
What would the movie be about though? If it was after the finale, it would have to be about Tony getting indicted or killed, if they were gonna' do that, they should have just done it with the finale. I think a prequel would be a better fit for a film. Show Tony coming up in the ranks, meeting his wife, having his kids, etc.
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I think the Finale was written with the idea of a movie being made. There was enough clues for viewers to believe Tony was killed; however if he weren't and the movie did come out people wouldn't have made such a big deal.
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True. David Chase wanted to have his cake and eat it too. If the movie came out, he could say "here is the conclusion". But if they never make it, he can just pretend like he created some revolutionary piece of art, and that some people just "don't get it".
 
Maybe the execution could have been better, but it fit with everything we were given the entire run of the series, so people shouldn't be that surprised.

And if he wanted to do a movie, he would have done it.

We have a conclusion to the story that's the whole point. Just because it cuts to black doesn't mean there's no conclusion.
 
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Big J 33 said:
Maybe the execution could have been better, but it fit with everything we were given the entire run of the series, so people shouldn't be that surprised.

And if he wanted to do a movie, he would have done it.
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Yeah, we should have known ,after they never explained the missing snow Russian, that they would leave us like this. :lol:
 
I read that they were goin to put a scene in that showed the missing Russian working in a bar operated by the Russian mob. Chris and Tony walk in an the boss explains that the guy was found by some boyscouts in the woods. He suffered brain damage where he was shot and therefore did not remember Chris. But they decided against it.
 
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I read that they were goin to put a scene in that showed the missing Russian working in a bar operated by the Russian mob. Chris and Tony walk in an the boss explains that the guy was found by some boyscouts in the woods. He suffered brain damage where he was shot and therefore did not remember Chris. But they decided against it.
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Man, that would have been fire. :smokin
 
Big J 33 said:
Maybe the execution could have been better, but it fit with everything we were given the entire run of the series, so people shouldn't be that surprised.

And if he wanted to do a movie, he would have done it.

We have a conclusion to the story that's the whole point. Just because it cuts to black doesn't mean there's no conclusion.
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Exactly.  But most people need things wrapped up nicely in a package with a bow, presented to them on a platter made of gold from Saddam's palace.  

Not everything in life wraps up neatly and nicely.  Sometimes in life there isn't the resolution we want, or feel that we're owed.  And honestly, I think The Sopranos kind of showed that before the finale even aired.  

Yeah, would it have been great if we found out what happened to literally every important character in the show?  Sure.  But it didn't happen.  That doesn't mean what did happen is garbage.  
 
superblyTRIFE said:
Big J 33 said:
Maybe the execution could have been better, but it fit with everything we were given the entire run of the series, so people shouldn't be that surprised.


And if he wanted to do a movie, he would have done it.


We have a conclusion to the story that's the whole point. Just because it cuts to black doesn't mean there's no conclusion.
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Exactly.  But most people need things wrapped up nicely in a package with a bow, presented to them on a platter made of gold from Saddam's palace.  

Not everything in life wraps up neatly and nicely.  Sometimes in life there isn't the resolution we want, or feel that we're owed.  And honestly, I think The Sopranos kind of showed that before the finale even aired.  

Yeah, would it have been great if we found out what happened to literally every important character in the show?  Sure.  But it didn't happen.  That doesn't mean what did happen is garbage.  
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Yeah, you're right, I guess that the other 90% of Sopranos viewers just didn't "get it" like some of you internet intellectuals. >D
 
JChambers said:
I always thought that it was open to interpretation. Maybe he got shot, maybe he gets indicted, etc. Sopranos is far from realistic, bruh. Remember when Bobby shot dude with no gloves and dropped the gun right by the body?
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It was in Canada, they don't have his prints. That was the point of Bobby doing the hit.
 
Why you take everything THAT far is confusing. Stop pretending to be a victim of intellectual elitism, that's not the case.

Saying someone didn't "get it" isn't an insult, but likely a fact. People who NEEDED to know if he died are missing the larger point. That's not necessarily an insult their intelligence either. But the larger point has been explained and it isn't meant to be a definite answer.
 
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JJ1223 said:
JChambers said:
I always thought that it was open to interpretation. Maybe he got shot, maybe he gets indicted, etc. Sopranos is far from realistic, bruh. Remember when Bobby shot dude with no gloves and dropped the gun right by the body?
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It was in Canada, they don't have his prints. That was the point of Bobby doing the hit.
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Good point. Seems like the US and Canada would share fingerprint databases with each other. He is still a brave soul to use no gloves and leave the weapon at the scene. Contrary to popular belief, fingerprints aren't all that easy to retrieve from a firearm, that's another discussion though.
 
Big J 33 said:
Why you take everything THAT far is confusing. Stop pretending to be a victim by intellectual elitism, that's not the case.

Saying someone didn't "get it" isn't an insult, but likely a fact. People who NEEDED to know if he died are missing the larger point. That's not necessarily an insult their intelligence either. But the larger point has been explained and it isn't meant to be a definite answer.
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This is Niketalk, everybody loves playing the victim.Nah it isn't that serious. I personally didn't like the ending. After all that time, I felt like there should have been some sort of finality or closure, not just a life goes on, maybe he did, maybe he didn't approach. I think that the series could have ended three seasons ago with the same scene. Nobody wants to know what happened to every character in the series, but this was Tony's story from the beginning, and we don't even know what happened to him. It was anticlimactic.
 
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JChambers said:
Big J 33 said:
Why you take everything THAT far is confusing. Stop pretending to be a victim by intellectual elitism, that's not the case.

Saying someone didn't "get it" isn't an insult, but likely a fact. People who NEEDED to know if he died are missing the larger point. That's not necessarily an insult their intelligence either. But the larger point has been explained and it isn't meant to be a definite answer.
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This is Niketalk, everybody loves playing the victim.Nah it isn't that serious. I personally didn't like the ending. After all that time, I felt like there should have been some sort of finality or closure, not just a life goes on, maybe he did, maybe he didn't approach. I think that the series could have ended three seasons ago with the same scene. Nobody wants to know what happened to every character in the series, but this was Tony's story from the beginning, and we don't even know what happened to him. It was anticlimactic.
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But you DO know what happened to Tony. The same thing that happened to a lot of the characters in the show--dead or in prison. Why would his story be any different from any of his underlings? If anything, he had more people gunning for him than most of the other characters that got whacked. If Phil Leotardo could be touched, so could Tony.

Could he have survived to be an old man without getting whacked or setting foot in prison? Sure. But why would anyone want to watch that? People wanted the dude to be killed or indicted, just like everyone else. So in essence you already knew what the outcome was gonna be. The problem you have is that they just didn't show it.
 
superblyTRIFE said:
JChambers said:
Big J 33 said:
Why you take everything THAT far is confusing. Stop pretending to be a victim by intellectual elitism, that's not the case.

Saying someone didn't "get it" isn't an insult, but likely a fact. People who NEEDED to know if he died are missing the larger point. That's not necessarily an insult their intelligence either. But the larger point has been explained and it isn't meant to be a definite answer.
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This is Niketalk, everybody loves playing the victim.Nah it isn't that serious. I personally didn't like the ending. After all that time, I felt like there should have been some sort of finality or closure, not just a life goes on, maybe he did, maybe he didn't approach. I think that the series could have ended three seasons ago with the same scene. Nobody wants to know what happened to every character in the series, but this was Tony's story from the beginning, and we don't even know what happened to him. It was anticlimactic.
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But you DO know what happened to Tony. The same thing that happened to a lot of the characters in the show--dead or in prison. Why would his story be any different from any of his underlings? If anything, he had more people gunning for him than most of the other characters that got whacked. If Phil Leotardo could be touched, so could Tony.

Could he have survived to be an old man without getting whacked or setting foot in prison? Sure. But why would anyone want to watch that? People wanted the dude to be killed or indicted, just like everyone else. So in essence you already knew what the outcome was gonna be. The problem you have is that they just didn't show it.
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I don't care to argue it anymore though. Art is definitely subjective, what may be satisfactory to you, might not be to me. The show as a whole was great, I just expected more from the ending.
 
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^ Fair enough.  I wont even lie--I was kind of heated at first, too.  But once I got past them not going the traditional closure route, it made more sense.  
 
superblyTRIFE said:
^ Fair enough.  I wont even lie--I was kind of heated at first, too.  But once I got past them not going the traditional closure route, it made more sense.  
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I need to watch the whole series all the way through again. The Wikipedia article mentioned some foreshadowing and clues that I didn't catch the first time around. I may appreciate it more the second time.
 
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