Grey market discussion thread (Let's keep the discussion mature) Rules on pg 1 please read before yo

[uknowbigearl]

Reasons not to buy fakes (grey market shoes are fake)
1 - their sellers are stealing others' intellectual property
2 - it hurts the economy
3 - contributes to increasing the deficit (no tax revenues)
4 - funds illegal activity
5 - you are spending real money for fake goods.

if those five reasons aren't enough, you're probably beyond reasoning with

demand & supply, economics 101 

blame nike for making them so limited 

If they sold it at mass production at $175 people will still pay $175 for them since everybody wanting a piece its inevitable to cop grey market pairs

 

[jchambers]

Reasons not to buy fakes (grey market shoes are fake)
1 - their sellers are stealing others' intellectual property
2 - it hurts the economy
3 - contributes to increasing the deficit (no tax revenues)
4 - funds illegal activity
5 - you are spending real money for fake goods.

if those five reasons aren't enough, you're probably beyond reasoning with

You worry about the UK's economy, and we will worry about the good ole U S of A!

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For real tho, I definitely can't be reasoned with.

 

[jchambers]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

I dont think u can be banned for buying them. For trying to push them, yes

I find this real hard to believe. If these are as exact as you all claim, then nobody would even know that these were being sold in the buy/sell forum. You can't blame the mods for that.As long as nobody posts any links up in here, I don't think that we are violating any rules. We are discussing the origins/production of and differences between these so called "grey market" Js and authentic releases. I'm not dissecting mines tho, you best believe that they are going on my feet if they look legit.

 

[deezrsackolishus]

I find this real hard to believe. If these are as exact as you all claim, then nobody would even know that these were being sold in the buy/sell forum. You can't blame the mods for that.As long as nobody posts any links up in here, I don't think that we are violating any rules. We are discussing the origins/production of and differences between these so called "grey market" Js and authentic releases. I'm not dissecting mines tho, you best believe that they are going on my feet if they look legit.

The pics are on page 15 or so of this thread

Clearly blue *** space jam soles

Says they were "authentic" key word there.

I even called him out on his post and he came up with some dumb reason to why his looked like that

 

[deezrsackolishus]

And ok, not meth but, the mods were allowing it. Even after i tried calling him out, the rea my post and allowed the sale to contjnue

 

[jchambers]

I find this real hard to believe. If these are as exact as you all claim, then nobody would even know that these were being sold in the buy/sell forum. You can't blame the mods for that.As long as nobody posts any links up in here, I don't think that we are violating any rules. We are discussing the origins/production of and differences between these so called "grey market" Js and authentic releases. I'm not dissecting mines tho, you best believe that they are going on my feet if they look legit.

The pics are on page 15 or so of this thread

Clearly blue *** space jam soles

Says they were "authentic" key word there.

I even called him out on his post and he came up with some dumb reason to why his looked like that

Yeah I hear ya', but that doesn't mean that Meth knowingly let someone do it. Some things will slip by.

 

[deezrsackolishus]

Eah i fixed it. The mods allowed it

They read my post questioning their legitness, and posted my post, and let the shoe sale keep going. Clearly they were not retail release

 

[Methodical Management]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

No.  Our policy is to permit only LEGAL products in the buy/sell area.  

Buy/sell guides should NOT be approving anything they have good reason to believe is counterfeit/unauthorized.  

Is the review process 100% perfect?  No, but neither is Nike's own return process.  We make our best effort to screen out anything and everything unlawful from our classifieds section.  That's ALWAYS been our policy and it always will be. 

I'm not saying this again:  anyone promoting illegal products will be banned from the site.  I don't give a damn if they look identical and were produced in the same factories by the same employees.  If they're being produced or sold illegally, they are NOT to be promoted or resold through our site.

 

[jchambers]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

No.  Our policy is to permit only LEGAL products in the buy/sell area.  


Buy/sell guides should NOT be approving anything they have good reason to believe is counterfeit/unauthorized.  

Is the review process 100% perfect?  No, but neither is Nike's own return process.  We make our best effort to screen out anything and everything unlawful from our classifieds section.  That's ALWAYS been our policy and it always will be. 



I'm not saying this again:  anyone promoting illegal products will be banned from the site.  I don't give a damn if they look identical and were produced in the same factories by the same employees.  If they're being produced or sold illegally, they are NOT to be promoted or resold through our site.

Is it OK for me to post comparison pics as long as I don't reveal the source?

 

[SteveSteve72]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

I dont think u can be banned for buying them. For trying to push them, yes

Meth was not "allowing" niketalkers to sell them. There is no way to 100% make sure that these grey market shoes are not being sold on Niketalk, but believe me if proven to be the case that person would never be on Niketalk again.
As far as the rules of Niketalk and what it's position on this is, Promoting illegal conduct including copyright violations is against NikeTalk rules. Discussing where to obtain unauthorized products is against Niketalk rules.Promoting these grey market shoes and the websites they come from is against the rules. Remember whatever you opinion on this subject is, the one thing in all this mess that is 100% fact is that these shoes are illegal. And Niketalk does not in any way shape or form allow any members to promote illegal products.
If you have any question as to what you're posting is against the rules of Niketalk then DON'T POST IT.

 

[deezrsackolishus]

Jesus ****** christ how many times do i gotta say ur right, meth wasnt allowing it.

U mods who man the buy/sell were

 

[jchambers]

Jesus ****** christ how many times do i gotta say ur right, meth wasnt allowing it.

U mods who man the buy/sell were

Bruh, leave it alone.

 

[Methodical Management]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

No.  Our policy is to permit only LEGAL products in the buy/sell area.  


Buy/sell guides should NOT be approving anything they have good reason to believe is counterfeit/unauthorized.  

Is the review process 100% perfect?  No, but neither is Nike's own return process.  We make our best effort to screen out anything and everything unlawful from our classifieds section.  That's ALWAYS been our policy and it always will be. 



I'm not saying this again:  anyone promoting illegal products will be banned from the site.  I don't give a damn if they look identical and were produced in the same factories by the same employees.  If they're being produced or sold illegally, they are NOT to be promoted or resold through our site.

Is it OK for me to post comparison pics as long as I don't reveal the source?

The only reason this is open is to:

1.  Help educate consumers so they can protect themselves from purchasing illegal merchandise.  (Even if you don't care about legality, understand that such items can be seized by customs.)

2.  Discuss the production process and other factors that have led to the proliferation of these types of unauthorized sneakers.  

If people want to criticize Nike for their labor and artificial scarcity strategies, fine.  That's your right.  Organize a boycott if you like.  All of that is perfectly acceptable.  What we're NOT going to tolerate is the promotion of ILLEGAL products.

If the point of your comparison pics is to say "Hey look, these are just as good!  Let's all buy these now!"  That's a clear violation of our rules.  Only post comparison pictures if the purpose is to help PROTECT users from these products.  (e.g. "It's very difficult to tell these apart at a glance.  I wouldn't buy anything off of eBay now unless you're 100% certain the seller only deals in legal, authentic merchandise.")

 

[jchambers]

Meth was allowing niketalkers to sell these in the buy/sell as authentic.

No.  Our policy is to permit only LEGAL products in the buy/sell area.  




Buy/sell guides should NOT be approving anything they have good reason to believe is counterfeit/unauthorized.  


Is the review process 100% perfect?  No, but neither is Nike's own return process.  We make our best effort to screen out anything and everything unlawful from our classifieds section.  That's ALWAYS been our policy and it always will be. 




I'm not saying this again:  anyone promoting illegal products will be banned from the site.  I don't give a damn if they look identical and were produced in the same factories by the same employees.  If they're being produced or sold illegally, they are NOT to be promoted or resold through our site.

Is it OK for me to post comparison pics as long as I don't reveal the source?

The only reason this is open is to:

1.  Help educate consumers so they can protect themselves from purchasing illegal merchandise.  (Even if you don't care about legality, understand that such items can be seized by customs.)

2.  Discuss the production process and other factors that have led to the proliferation of these types of unauthorized sneakers.  


If people want to criticize Nike for their labor and artificial scarcity strategies, fine.  That's your right.  Organize a boycott if you like.  All of that is perfectly acceptable.  What we're NOT going to tolerate is the promotion of ILLEGAL products.

If the point of your comparison pics is to say "Hey look, these are just as good!  Let's all buy these now!"  That's a clear violation of our rules.  Only post comparison pictures if the purpose is to help PROTECT users from these products.  (e.g. "It's very difficult to tell these apart at a glance.  I wouldn't buy anything off of eBay now unless you're 100% certain the seller only deals in legal, authentic merchandise.")

Gotcha. I wasn't planning on adding any commentary anyways, just want to post some comparison pics side by side.

 

[jyung101]

Hey JC I'm on the same boat as you I'd like to dissect a part of Concords bought from these illegitimate sources compared to a pair I've purchased retail. I don't mind cutting up both pairs for education purposes. I've got 3 retail pairs so losing a slightly worn pair wouldn't kill me. I have no use for these "fake grey rep market" so cutting them up is also no biggie.

I'd let anybody who truly believe these are grey markets mainly ninja madam zzy email me your best vendor ( since such talk isn't allowed anywhere here) ill purchase a pair just to either dispell your myth or prove you right.

I have a cannon TI rebel so I can shoot 1080P and get some goods pics. Note I've never used it so it might not and will not be perfect.

I'm down to do this so we can get some real comparisons aside from pictures and hearsay

And like I've said before if it gets anywhere close to being a like ill step aside and say I was wrong but I highly doubt it. But all this computer bashing back and fourth is pointless.

We can't prove they are fake in their eyes and we can't prove they are real in our eyes so let's put them to the test so to speak

 

[jchambers]

I am starting to think that smaller mom and pop stores, online retailers and Ebay sellers are already selling these things as authentics. I am sure that they are rampant in New York. It seems that there is no way to be sure other than copping from known legitimate sources at retail. I wear a half size, so I never worried about fakes, but these "grey markets" are available in half sizes so now all bets are off.



This thread is getting a little hot for me, tho. I am gonna' stop posting in here. I will return in a week or two to post comparison pics only. Peace.

 

[Bert.]

And ok, not meth but, the mods were allowing it. Even after i tried calling him out, the rea my post and allowed the sale to contjnue

you have no "proof" they are fake though

none of us do

 

[Koncrete Kickz]

Ummm... I haven't really been following this thread, but when did NT have SneakeRape as an official sponsor ? Aren't they known to deal in grey market/ fakes ( Ray Allen 13s) anyone ?

 

[Bert.]

Ummm... I haven't really been following this thread, but when did NT have SneakeRape as an official sponsor ? Aren't they known to deal in grey market/ fakes ( Ray Allen 13s) anyone ?

they got Red IV's

pretty much FSR of the XVIII

Black Grapes

Jordan III 88's for $250

yea def not legit

 

[deezrsackolishus]

you have no "proof" they are fake though

none of us do

Well since the were space jams with a blue *** sole, something obviously wasnt "authentic" about them

 

[deezrsackolishus]

They want to act like nobody can say the sites or anythkng like that, but people are selling them in the buy sell forum.

Clearly fishy shoes. Blue sole space jams? After i even said something about it?

No,

The mods arent allowig a fake fire sale

But they CLEARLY didnt pay any attention when someone (me) tried to call someone out for fakes

 

[Bert.]

you have no "proof" they are fake though

none of us do

Well since the were space jams with a blue *** sole, something obviously wasnt "authentic" about them

keep bringing up the XI and ignore every other shoe on the market...

 

[deezrsackolishus]

they got Red IV's

pretty much FSR of the XVIII

Black Grapes

Jordan III 88's for $250

yea def not legit

But they give niketalk money????

Go figure

 

[thegamemodo9]

The Space Jams cost me $250 with shipping and 4 keychains included (otherwise shipping would have been $100), so I am hoping that they are pretty damb close in quality to real ones.

Off Taobao through an agent?

Nike just needs to have Jordans 1-14 on their website at all times in OG colors for custom ordering. Just made to order like Nike IDs. They could charge a premium and have some special lace lock or something on them with a serial number and come in some special packaging.

I would be all for this, but I wouldn't offer Nike ID. People will walk around with those fake *** looking pairs from 5-10 years ago, but they'd actually be a legit Nike product.

 

[thegamemodo9]

The only reason this is open is to:

1.  Help educate consumers so they can protect themselves from purchasing illegal merchandise.  (Even if you don't care about legality, understand that such items can be seized by customs.)

This was also one of my questions. Although I have no interest in buying these, wouldn't buyers be concerned many of these can be seized by customs since they technically aren't a legal product? The only shoes I've ordered from overseas came from CT.