"Hip-Hop is white now" - Scarface

That prison-mass media article is very eye opening. It is concerning that the two entities are overlapping, but I still maintain . . . Gucci, Flocka, and Keef all had huuuuuuge followings before having deals, or without releasing albums or real label support . . . tell me the last time you saw Gucci or Keef on television . . . Or the last time you saw them on "Entertainment Weekly" or starring in a Hollywood film . Flocka might be on 106 or MTV or MTV2's Sucker Free (or whatever they call it now, Sundays @ 11-1) Keef doesn't even get radio play because his songs are so filled with profanity , he didn't even have a single real, professional video for Finally Rich, all his joints were shot by the same dude that shot I Don't Like for free . . .

Also, videos don't even really come on TV anymore except for MTV Jams and 106 and Park and the morning video blocks on VH1 and MTV.

-VH1 doesn't show hip hop at all, unless it's like a guest verse on a Timberlake song or something

-106 and Park is soft as hell nowadays, Ross or Pusha T might be the "worst" thing on there

-MTV Jams would probably be the worst offender, they show everything, even sometimes have those 90 Throwback Weekends , but you have to pay a whole lot extra to get the channel, and you have to have AT&T U-Verse in the first place, so I don't know how much harm that is doing to the inner city youth by showing it to mostly suburban kids

Bottom line is, the music business today is a game for the internet artist . . . YouTube can't take away your comments or views, Twitter can't delete your fans tweets, Instagram can't delete the screenshots of your fans posting your mixtapes, and the blogs are pretty much independent, if you're bringing traffic, you're getting posted . . .

That article on Prison and Mass Media control is alarming, but it's about 5 years too late.

Just a whole bunch of rambling now bruh.

Prez T said:

and why do you think that is ? what did the media and GOVERNMENT do to groups like NWA and Public Enemy that were gaining steam and were against the power system ?

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yep Hip-hop has continued to make us as black people dumber & dumber that's why this new generation is so lost man they are a musically driven bunch of kids & they hear no positive music...All they hear is lets get high, get tatted up, have tons of sex, turn up,& be fashion statements every song on the radio has one of those themes...These kids don't have the artist I had coming up in the late 90's early 00's like Dead Pres, Black Starr, Common etc...There is no artist to make the aware of what's going on because all of these artist are slaves to the record companies they do what ever the record companies tell them artist these days have NO balls...I use to be a BIG FAN of gangsta music when I was coming up but when you see that foolishness 1st hand in your neighborhood & in your family theirs nothing cool about all that but hey what do I know maybe I'm getting old..

If there was a good balance of hip hop in the mainstream like there used to be, I'd never have any complaints. The last time there was a nice balance of everything was somewhere around 2006. Hmm, I wonder who started to take off to the stratosphere after that.

BradNSU said:

yep Hip-hop has continued to make us as black people dumber & dumber that's why this new generation is so lost man they are a musically driven bunch of kids & they hear no positive music...All they hear is lets get high, get tatted up, have tons of sex, turn up,& be fashion statements

every song on the radio has one of those themes...These kids don't have the artist I had coming up in the late 90's early 00's like Dead Pres, Black Starr, Common etc...There is no artist to make the aware of what's going on because all of these artist are slaves to the record companies they do what ever the record companies tell them artist these days have NO balls...I use to be a BIG FAN of gangsta music when I was coming up but when you see that foolishness 1st hand in your neighborhood & in your family theirs nothing cool about all that but hey what do I know maybe I'm getting old..

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Man if kids want to listen to good artist...they can. Shoot I listen to majority of old school hip-hop (i ain't trying to sound like hipster), but I can't listen to new rap artist for some reason, unless they got an ol school vibe to them a la Action Bronson.

Black Starr, Dead Pres had a lot of songs they made which dissed the modern day rappers in there time for selling out and not making good Hip-Hop music....this phase isn't new. I hate it when people act like it's only been occurring now.

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This isn't even a white or black thing it's about people wanting to make money, just like slavery. Dude sold their people just to get more money and alcohol..smh.

BradNSU said:

There is a reason that social & politically conscience rappers don't get heard on mainstream radio some of ya'll dudes don't get the big picture still..

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yeah because that **** don't sell, we know this don't we?

kix4kix said:

yeah because that **** don't sell, we know this don't we?

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Kendrick outsold Future, 2 Chainz, Meek and pretty much any other crap rapper y'all can think of not named Wayne.

Half of these craptastic rappers (i.e. Trinidad James, Ca$hout) can't even get a album release date.

So yes there is a market for quality rappers with decent content, while I wasn't a huge fan of his album, Cole proved that in 2011 as well. There's plenty of people who WANT quality rap, unfortunately they've been drowned out by these labels and radio stations that just want you to pop a molly and sweat.......Wooo.

malikdagoat said:

Kendrick outsold Future, 2 Chainz, Meek and pretty much any other crap rapper y'all can think of not named Wayne.

Half of these craptastic rappers (i.e. Trinidad James, Ca$hout) can't even get a release date, these labels are only worried about single.

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When I think conscious rapper, I think Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco etc not a rapper like K.Dot. I think he gets labelled as a conscious rapper, cause the mainstream word hasn't seen a new skilled rapper like him in a while.

TommyIceRocking said:

When I think conscious rapper, I think Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco etc not a rapper like K.Dot. I think he gets labelled as a conscious rapper, cause the mainstream word hasn't seen a new skilled rapper like him in a while.

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I feel that and agree to an extent, but at this point the game needs any rappers with CONTENT. KL, Cole, KRIT, even Wale (sometimes) bring that. This formula of "pop mollies, pop bottles, and I drive a Bugatti" raps are tired and warn out.

For example, a song like "Bad" is hardly conscious, but I'm already knowing Wale probably went thru HELL to get that approved as a single instead of a typical club song with a 2 Chainz/Future/Ross feature. Like how dare he put a single out about women's issues with love and sexuality instead of telling them hos to pop a molly and buss it wide open

White =euphemism for mainstream =captial driven

Instead of culture driven.

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I guess only a couple of people really get it and it's not so much white as in the people behind the scene's that call the shots but rather Face is talking about white's in general and he used a very good example of that when he touched on Rock N Roll,Rythm & Blues which is a nicer way of labling Soul music,Jazz...ect,.People like Chuck Berry,Muddy Water's invented Rock N Roll and look at how they were eventually pushed out of something they birthed and were replaced with decent but sub-par groups like the Beatles,the Beach Boys,Eric Clapton,Bruce Springsteen,The Rolling Stone and the many other's that have come along after.The names I mentioned are looked apon as royalty of the genre of music that they once were all just merely students of the real creator's.Now look at whose the face of Rock music and sadly today it doesn't even reflect the culture that spawned it.It's detached from the roots,it's detached from the people,it's detached from everything it took to create Rock music so much so that any suburbanite can just pick up an instrument,form a band,dress the part,make a rock-ish type of song and get a record deal which in return has caused it to be an over saturated genre.

Now as far as what's been said in this thread so far.There is alot of unnecessary blabbling going on in this thread about what Scarface said in unsugar coated terms,alot of referencing about what exactly he ment so no one takes offense to it when there is no need to do so because he clearly ment every word he said with no intent of not offending someone.That's usually what the true does,it offends people and why does it do so because now everyone wants to hear half truths some of the times.He's not that type of artist to only give people half truth's,thats one reason why you rarely hear from him or certain artist like him.
They would much rather most focused on artist like Macklemore who by the way isn't as independent as what's being reported by the media,he's actually isn't even a new artist he's been around for awhile working with seattle native and rapper Sir Mix alot.But hey I'm no hater of him or any other white rapper,do your thing but I will say that when you start out gimmicky your career will usually end in that same fashion.Unless your someone like Eminem who is able to mesh both gimmicky with real raw talent to draw his fans and his non-fans into the sane agreement of respect for the love of the culture and what he brings on the flipside of his gimmicky songs for sales,50cent,D12(his friends)and as of resently Slaughterhouse .I'm no Eminem fan but I respect him for the balance he's trying to bring back to the culture while respectfully not trying to live up to being the Elvis of this here thing we all rap.

Now done to root of it all,Culture is the gasoline that keep's the car rolling,in music,in entertainment period.Just think if urban culture wasn't invented by the have-not's where Nike as a brand would be?and if there was no Nike, would there be a Niketalk ?.Some people,no matter what you say or show them,think they just wakeup one day and do whatever it is they want to do with no reasons behind it at all.That's simply not true,something or someone helps you to make your decision,whether if it's something as simple as what you choose to eat for dinner.You reconize that fact right?well why do alot of people now have such a hardtime saying that Urban culture/black culture has helped shape alot of what's going on now in 2013,with you,with him,with her,with them,with us all,for god sakes we are on NikeTalk a place that cater to people who like sneakers,you can't get no more urban than that.
Some people want that idea of urbanism to die out and change,some people want that lable of urban or black culture to be "X" out or changed so it could be buyable to other people but isn't that one of the reason why other people started to buy it in the first place because it was different?

Don't change a thing

Meek Meals said:

So if 2 Chainz and Trinidad James didn't make party music, who would? Or would parties and clubs not exist in y'alls fantasy of a world where everyone was a conscious rapper?​

Y'all out here serious 24/7 ​

Someone please show me a "positive" rapper who's gotten a following on their own as large as Kendrick, Cole ("exceptions" or do they just make good music and got popular on their own, therefore, labels invested in them ), Drake, ASAP Rocky, Wale? Please do not post someone with 100k bought YouTube views​

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club and party music has always been around , but its never been pushed in the mainstream this much until very recently . why do you think its called "club music" in the first place ? because thats the place you mainly hear it , NOT the radio

Dat Dude Chris said:

Not white but why does some stuff always come back to race...
Its almost funny at this point

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Because it does have to do with race.  It's not funny.  Ignorance is bliss.  

Verdenuggets said:

Because it does have to do with race.  It's not funny.  Ignorance is bliss.  

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CHUURCH

Everything Scarface said was 100% correct.

In 20-30 years, hip hop as a black art form will be basically obsolete. In this day and age, no culture is safe from the mass-commoditization machine of capitalism.

It's not even about 'white people' taking over the culture, it's about out-of-touch, wealthy, powerful white people taking over the culture. They don't give a damn about the direction of our youth in general. I'm black but I'm looking at it from both sides. White kids don't deserve to have BS music shoved in their faces either.

Last I checked, the industry wasn't responsible for raising our youth.

kix4kix said:

Last I checked, the industry wasn't responsible for raising our youth.

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You're right.

But I guess it's a coincidence that only one genre of music right now is fueled by specific depictions and imagery that have such a huge influence on it's core ethnic audience? A genre that is deeply rooted in that same audience's culture.

Prez T said:

over your head , clearly

push something hard enough in consumers faces and they will buy it , period . if they decided to push conscious MCs heavy on the radio over the next 3 years , thats what the country would be into . how many of us laughed when "Laffy Taffy" or "Crank Dat Superman" came out bc of how atrocious those tracks were , and now bump "All Gold Everything" and "Birthday Song"?

your store analogy doesnt work here because these people have to power to make whatever they want to be successful

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Yea dude, that definitely went over my head. It was oooh, so deep and philosophical I forgot to put on my edgy goggles. Get outta here with your simple logic. See the funny thing is that my analogy might not be the best, but it works. Know why? Simple. We can apply your counter argument and it still makes sense. You're trying to knitpick just to knitpick for no reason, I know you're smarter than that.

WOW! No way, I guess you missed the analogy depicting the soda as the on sale rapper being shoved down your throat to increase sales. lol. Oh and did I mention the seller using the sales to keep promoting the damn product?

How long will you keep shoving down cookie cutter logic around here. All the things youre spewing are self given and already known. Quit preaching like you're actually dropping some damn knowledge.

2/10 apply yourself.
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inb4 took you a month to reply haha he butthurt now XDXDXDXDXD
inb4 6deep1you

See the thing you dudes fail to understand is this: Hip Hop has transcended African American culture and what it used to represent. Like rock, hip hop doesn't belong to blues originators like Chuck Berry or Jazz kings like Thelonous Monk, Hip Hop belongs to everyone now. Ya'll goof'd up when you let eminem in. Blame yourself for being so shortsighted.

DURR DA WHITE KID GOT SKILL HE CAN RAP
HURR WHY WHITE PPL WANNA RAP NOW WHERE DID WE GO WRONG DURR DUR DURR DURR

How can you love somebody when you don't even love yourself

MikeTysontheKiller said:

Yea dude, that definitely went over my head. It was oooh, so deep and philosophical I forgot to put on my edgy goggles. Get outta here with your simple logic. See the funny thing is that my analogy might not be the best, but it works. Know why? Simple. We can apply your counter argument and it still makes sense. You're trying to knitpick just to knitpick for no reason, I know you're smarter than that.

WOW! No way, I guess you missed the analogy depicting the soda as the on sale rapper being shoved down your throat to increase sales. lol. Oh and did I mention the seller using the sales to keep promoting the damn product?

How long will you keep shoving down cookie cutter logic around here. All the things youre spewing are self given and already known. Quit preaching like you're actually dropping some damn knowledge.

2/10 apply yourself.
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inb4 took you a month to reply haha he butthurt now XDXDXDXDXD
inb4 6deep1you

See the thing you dudes fail to understand is this: Hip Hop has transcended African American culture and what it used to represent. Like rock, hip hop doesn't belong to blues originators like Chuck Berry or Jazz kings like Thelonous Monk, Hip Hop belongs to everyone now. Ya'll goof'd up when you let eminem in. Blame yourself for being so shortsighted.

DURR DA WHITE KID GOT SKILL HE CAN RAP
HURR WHY WHITE PPL WANNA RAP NOW WHERE DID WE GO WRONG DURR DUR DURR DURR

How can you love somebody when you don't even love yourself

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lol . what ?

i have no problem with white rappers , and didnt mention them in my OG post . my problem is record companies/media purposely pushing ignorant and ****ish rappers with mindless lyrics as a means of not only dumbing down black youth , but also tarnishing the perception of black American males to people around the world

when Scarface says "hip hop is white now" he isnt talking about the artists or the musical content ... he's talking about how the people at the top making decisions are white and have no interest or desire in promoting positive images for the black community

kix4kix said:

Last I checked, the industry wasn't responsible for raising our youth.

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That's like saying "Last I checked, the food industry isn't responsible for feeding our children" in response to the staggering lack of availability of affordable, healthy foods in low-income areas. In other words, it would make a good argument only to someone who is choosing to be willfully ignorant of facts.

It's becoming increasingly clear that those at the top of the food chain are gaining more and more control over every facet of our lives. From the foods we eat, to our medicine, to our internet use, to the popular culture we consume. Everything and everyone is being streamlined for corporate exploitation. And it's not like this is a trend that is occurring organically among the entire populous. It is being orchestrated by a small cabal of bigwigs and execs. Someone posted this link:

http://frugaldad.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IllusionofChoice.jpg

^Read that and tell me the industry doesn't play a huge role in the direction of our youth, and of the nation in general. Your statement is only valid if we assume that certain things aren't being pushed on us, and that people are adequately exposed to all the information and resources needed to make rational decisions, without being coerced in any way. But that isn't true. They ARE pushing certain things on us, and the average person doesn't have a say in what they push.

Prez T said:

lol . what ?

i have no problem with white rappers , and didnt mention them in my OG post . my problem is record companies/media purposely pushing ignorant and ****ish rappers with mindless lyrics as a means of not only dumbing down black youth , but also tarnishing the perception of black American males to people around the world

when Scarface says "hip hop is white now" he isnt talking about the artists or the musical content ... he's talking about how the people at the top making decisions are white and have no interest or desire in promoting positive images for the black community

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dude, why do you keep reiterating the same damn thing over and over again. Everything you're pointing out is a given. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get what scarface is saying, nor was it subliminially placed out under metophors and similies or some satire. I am lost.

I gotta go with kix on this one, since when are rappers responsible for raising the black youth. You're pointing your finger at an outside force, when the problem lies within. You're basically saying music is part of this dumbing down of the black youth, where are the parents dammit. Are they too being dumbed down by the music? Stop blaming music for the downfall of patriarchial figures in young black mens lives.

my white rapper comment is addressing the problem a lot of posters on here keep crying about. How the white rapper will get more promotion and how they took hip hop and jazz and blues. I mean, for crying out loud one of the posters said sub par bands like The Beatles and The Beach Boys are treated like majesty in rock, but Muddy waters isn't? Thats ****ign stupid and any type of rock is self aware of it's history will probably laugh you and call you a backroom conspirator. Muddy Waters IS ROCK. He is royalty and he will go down in history as one of the originators. Ask Eric Clapton who inspired his music and he'll point a finger at the god. The beach boys and the beatles are adored because they brough something that wasn't there in rock, but since they're white, they stole it. Where are the true black american innovators? Oh wait, they didn't innovate because you suckers don't give them any play. If it's too different, ya'll cry foul, the recipe has to be the ******g same all the time. This is why hip hop sucks. I swear to ******g god, a lot of you lack any perception of whats actually happening in our culture, pop culture and media to be more specific, and start spewing out nonsense based on your own little logic that doesn't actually relate to the real world. Ya'll are like ninjahood in the sense that you think the small space that you call you life is an actual representation of what is currently happening or has been happening for the past few years. If it's outside your compacted circle, then it's false because you came up with the logic. Who put out the most appraised albums in Jazz? Look at the clasics, who's on the damn cover? Coltrane, miles davis, thelonous, dave bruebeck(but since he's white, it doesn't count right? he stole it). Majority are black and adored and respected amongst fans of the music. You know what defines these men so much? They represented progression, something a lot of you lack. Your shortsightedness is cancerous, and the worst part is that you'll reproduce and pass your ignorance on to your seeds and it will keep perpetuating this cycle hindering progression. Some of you cats live in the past. It puzzles me that someone could think like this, how someone could be so shortsighted and spew dumb **** like that. That is truly appalling/ rant

im so cot damn mad, I don't think I'll sleep well tonight.

MikeTysontheKiller said:

I gotta go with kix on this one, since when are rappers responsible for raising the black youth. You're pointing your finger at an outside force, when the problem lies within. You're basically saying music is part of this dumbing down of the black youth, where are the parents dammit. Are they too being dumbed down by the music? Stop blaming music for the downfall of patriarchial figures in young black mens lives.

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They aren't responsible. But look around you. When they have no true life role models as they're developing, where do they look? Rappers. Athletes.

Are the parents too being dumbed down by music? Hell yes. A lot of these parents are barely out of their teens if at all. You don't think they're also being influenced by this dumb ****?

Mad single moms and absentee dads out here living the nihilistic lifestyle promoted in a lot of rap music.

Music isn't to blame. But it can certainly be viewed as part of the problem. Rap didn't create the crack epidemic. Or drug problems. But sometimes the **** is almost a marketing vehicle for it.

This is why I'm happy it's at least turning a corner where Kendrick and some of these other dudes ain't really about that ********.

Why do y'all blame the suits instead of the rappers, especially when the most popular "drug" rappers aren't even signed, rarely release albums and live off of mixtapes (Gucci) or weren't signed when they reached their current status of fame (Flocka, Gucci, Scooter, Keef, Future)?

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Prez T said:

lol . what ?

i have no problem with white rappers , and didnt mention them in my OG post . my problem is record companies/media purposely pushing ignorant and ****ish rappers with mindless lyrics as a means of not only dumbing down black youth , but also tarnishing the perception of black American males to people around the world

when Scarface says "hip hop is white now" he isnt talking about the artists or the musical content ... he's talking about how the people at the top making decisions are white and have no interest or desire in promoting positive images for the black community

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dude, why do you keep reiterating the same damn thing over and over again. Everything you're pointing out is a given. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get what scarface is saying, nor was it subliminially placed out under metophors and similies or some satire. I am lost.

I gotta go with kix on this one, since when are rappers responsible for raising the black youth. You're pointing your finger at an outside force, when the problem lies within. You're basically saying music is part of this dumbing down of the black youth, where are the parents dammit. Are they too being dumbed down by the music? Stop blaming music for the downfall of patriarchial figures in young black mens lives.

my white rapper comment is addressing the problem a lot of posters on here keep crying about. How the white rapper will get more promotion and how they took hip hop and jazz and blues. I mean, for crying out loud one of the posters said sub par bands like The Beatles and The Beach Boys are treated like majesty in rock, but Muddy waters isn't? Thats ****ign stupid and any type of rock is self aware of it's history will probably laugh you and call you a backroom conspirator. Muddy Waters IS ROCK. He is royalty and he will go down in history as one of the originators. Ask Eric Clapton who inspired his music and he'll point a finger at the god. The beach boys and the beatles are adored because they brough something that wasn't there in rock, but since they're white, they stole it. Where are the true black american innovators? Oh wait, they didn't innovate because you suckers don't give them any play. If it's too different, ya'll cry foul, the recipe has to be the ******g same all the time. This is why hip hop sucks. I swear to ******g god, a lot of you lack any perception of whats actually happening in our culture, pop culture and media to be more specific, and start spewing out nonsense based on your own little logic that doesn't actually relate to the real world. Ya'll are like ninjahood in the sense that you think the small space that you call you life is an actual representation of what is currently happening or has been happening for the past few years. If it's outside your compacted circle, then it's false because you came up with the logic. Who put out the most appraised albums in Jazz? Look at the clasics, who's on the damn cover? Coltrane, miles davis, thelonous, dave bruebeck(but since he's white, it doesn't count right? he stole it). Majority are black and adored and respected amongst fans of the music. You know what defines these men so much? They represented progression, something a lot of you lack. Your shortsightedness is cancerous, and the worst part is that you'll reproduce and pass your ignorance on to your seeds and it will keep perpetuating this cycle hindering progression. Some of you cats live in the past. It puzzles me that someone could think like this, how someone could be so shortsighted and spew dumb **** like that. That is truly appalling/ rant

im so cot damn mad, I don't think I'll sleep well tonight.

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You're completely missing the point.

People aren't 'blaming' music for the issues in society and ignoring all other factors. We're pointing out how blatantly wrong it is that music companies are doing what they do, without anyone saying a word.

This is not even about "young black men" or whatever, that topic is a side effect of the larger issue. You're choosing to focus on the race aspect and you're ignoring the main point. This discussion is about unethical practices among major media corporations. It's not about black/white, or whatever. In 2013 the media should not be pushing an agenda onto any people group, period. Corporations need to be held accountable. They aren't right now, and it's a problem.

Meek Meals said:

Why do y'all blame the suits instead of the rappers, especially when the most popular "drug" rappers aren't even signed, rarely release albums and live off of mixtapes (Gucci) or weren't signed when they reached their current status of fame (Flocka, Gucci, Scooter, Keef, Future)?​

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Huh? I don't have a problem with the rappers. They're just individuals trying to make a living. Anyone has a right to make whatever music they want.

The problem is that the media only chooses to push a certain type of music, and as a result the public isn't adequately exposed to what is out there besides those 'trap' rappers. There are just as many people making the music J Cole, Kendrick, etc does, as those who make the music Gucci, Future, etc does. But one of those groups is clearly more represented in MSM.

Meek Meals said:

Why do y'all blame the suits instead of the rappers, especially when the most popular "drug" rappers aren't even signed, rarely release albums and live off of mixtapes (Gucci) or weren't signed when they reached their current status of fame (Flocka, Gucci, Scooter, Keef, Future)?​

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I, personally, blame the rappers as much, if not more than the suits.

Especially since these dudes supposedly come from these hoods and see the destruction firsthand.

But it's also no surprise the lengths cats will go to "get that paper". Drug dealers, stick up kids, rappers or whoever.

DT43 said:

Meek Meals said:

Why do y'all blame the suits instead of the rappers, especially when the most popular "drug" rappers aren't even signed, rarely release albums and live off of mixtapes (Gucci) or weren't signed when they reached their current status of fame (Flocka, Gucci, Scooter, Keef, Future)?​

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Huh? I don't have a problem with the rappers. They're just individuals trying to make a living. Anyone has a right to make whatever music they want.

The problem is that the media only chooses to push a certain type of music, and as a result the public isn't adequately exposed to what is out there besides those 'trap' rappers. There are just as many people making the music J Cole, Kendrick, etc does, as those who make the music Gucci, Future, etc does. But one of those groups is clearly more represented in MSM.

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So wait . . . it's okay for the rappers to get money any means necessary and do what's profitable but it's wrong for the record labels to do the same? Just like the labels could potentially have knowledge of what the music could do to the youth, do you think the rappers are unaware of that? Especially coming from the place they come from?

Mind you, cats like Gucci and Future might release an album once a year or two, but for the most part they make money off of club appearances in which they perform songs off of mixtapes that the label has no part in promoting . . . for example, Future and Gucci have probably released, what 5-6 tapes in the past 6 months that the label has had nothing to do with, so the label can't really take the blame for something they don't even promote

Somewhat Irrelevant Sidenote: Cole and Kendrick's success comes from their song making abilities, I can tell you right now IMO the reason why most cats with good lyrics are forever gonna be failures, is because they stay choosing dusty *** corny beats . . . K Dot and Cole know how to rap quality stuff, but still have you nod your head to it, or have it sound dope in your car . . . thus why their music is popular with the masses because even with a song like Swimming Pools or even most of the S80 cuts that have a deeper meaning, K Dot knows how to pick a beat and write a chorus and for the average listener it's catchy and sounds good and will do good on the charts, but for the person who looks for lyrics, you appreciate it. That's what separates them from the average lyrical cat, just my opinion

illphillip said:

Meek Meals said:

Why do y'all blame the suits instead of the rappers, especially when the most popular "drug" rappers aren't even signed, rarely release albums and live off of mixtapes (Gucci) or weren't signed when they reached their current status of fame (Flocka, Gucci, Scooter, Keef, Future)?​

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I, personally, blame the rappers as much, if not more than the suits.

Especially since these dudes supposedly come from these hoods and see the destruction firsthand.

But it's also no surprise the lengths cats will go to "get that paper". Drug dealers, stick up kids, rappers or whoever.

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Thank you, dudes acting like the rappers are mindless and have no control over the music they choose to create