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Why the hell is Nash #19? Behind Tmac, V-Carter, and Melo. LOL he's definitely top 5. Two league MVP's makes you a 100% lock... smh
If Bosh is considered a HOFer why aren’t Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer?
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Yeah Bosh is a fringe Hall of Fame guy.
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Though I think Bosh is a lock for double digit all star appearances & at least 2 rings, let's revisit this in 2 years when he's actually done it.
Combine those with his gold medal (he was Team USA's center down the stretch vs. Spain & several other games, so it wasn't a Laettner Dream Team situation) & I think he'll get in.
Combine those with his gold medal (he was Team USA's center down the stretch vs. Spain & several other games, so it wasn't a Laettner Dream Team situation) & I think he'll get in.
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forgot gold medal made the ncaa championship game as a freshman and is the raptors all time leader in points, rebounds, and etc.
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Bosh is a very good player, but HOF good? Absolutely not...
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We say this a bunch of times.....the Basketball Hall of Fame is different....basically any perennial All-Star or great college/international player eventually gets in their Hall of Fame.
McGrady, Vince Carter,Yao, Laettner, Hill, Gasol, Manu etc etc
McGrady, Vince Carter,Yao, Laettner, Hill, Gasol, Manu etc etc
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mcgrady ? what warrants mcgrady to be in the hall ?
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Fixed.
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No offense to you...... but do we really have to do this again?
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must've missed it the first time i think bosh has a more impressive resume than mcgradys if we talking about getting in the hall.No offense to you...... but do we really have to do this again?
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must've missed it the first time i think bosh has a more impressive resume than mcgradys if we talking about getting in the hall.No offense to you...... but do we really have to do this again?
7 All Star selections
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Most Improved Player Award
2 Scoring titles
2 Top 5 finishes in NBA MVP voting
I think McGrady does.
Bosh is missing the All-NBA selections and NBA MVP voting finishes. Bosh just will have the rings and a Gold Medal over McGrady.
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and playoff success as well he also was on the georgia tech team that made the ncaa championship game. but it is to early for bosh to get mentions i want to see what happens 5 years down the line.
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Yeah I agree..... it will interesting to see what happens. I think Bosh will eventually take over as the 2nd option for the Heat and he may get a couple All-NBA selections for that.
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Bosh is no HOF'er
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Bosh will get in but not first ballot similar to cris carter
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Chris Bosh is no hall of famer!!! This is an easy one! He's not even in the top 2 of best players on his team. Not even close yet!!
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No he didn't.....
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Umm hes Playing with a top 3 sg and best player in the league smh, so hes not gonna be top 2 on his team
rodman is in the hof, bosh has no worries and dont give me dpoy awards nonsense bosh is a better basketball player than rodman
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My bad it was year after that ga tech lost to uconn.
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Now you're just talking crazy. He scores more points but that's all.
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I love Rodman by if we are starting a team, the majority of people are picking Bosh
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cwebb was one of the most underachieving guys ever. props for turning the kings franchise around but he was so frustrating to watch. shrank in crunch time and always settled for the jumper when he was talented enough to play in the paint. had a good 4-5 yr stretch, but those injuries basically ended his career as he was never the same.
chris bosh is gonna rack up all star gms, but i wanna see him finish on some all nba teams before i would put him in.
end of the day, almost everyone gets in the basketball HOF
so Chris Mullin is a HoF but Chris Bosh isn't?
Chris Bosh is for sure a HoF'er and if he gathers a few more asg's along with a few more chips it'll be surefire.
A lot of you argue with no basis on prior history and simply on emotions and what you 'feel'. the NBA HOF formula is EASY. Either you put up HUGE numbers for at least half of your career and maintain a good level of play throughout most of it OR you can put up good (not huge) numbers but have a HUGE IMPACT on the game or your franchise.
Guys like Reggie Miller & Chris Mullin got in primarily for what they did for their franchise and the impact they had, especially Reggie in the playoffs. Guys like Allen Iverson and T-Mac will get in because they were HUGE performers and carried teams SOLELY on their backs. Guys like Chris Webber & Vince Carter fall somewhere in between as they had really good years but not necessarily HUGE but at the same time made significant impact on the game and especially their franchises but again not necessarily huge impacts as neither came close to winning the chip when they were significant members of a team (Vince only did it as a backup). This is why they will both have to wait a while to see if they get into the Hall if they ever do get in (plus Webber's college scandal doesn't help his chances either).
Now to the guys in this argument:
Bosh - surefire first ballot HOF. the fact that this is being debated again shows that many of you don't realize the HOF criteria. He's done both, put up huge numbers and put toronto on his back, and since he went to the Heat he finally got his chips. as a THIRD option that was ALWAYS overlooked BECAUSE wade and lbj never focused enough on getting him the ball, he still put up good numbers, similar numbers to Brand when he was by himself at CHI and LAC. bosh also has the allstar game selections to his credit, way more than Brand and Boozer (in fact more than both combined).
Brand - will arguably go down as the most underrated player of the last 15 years. what he did in those first 8 seasons almost seems totally overlooked because he played for non-playoff franchises. his numbers are nothing to sneeze at and if he had been able to carry the clippers to more than 1 deep run in the playoffs and added a chip to his resume in his latter years, he would have a chance. but as of right now, he is in chris webber's boat, where he has good enough numbers comparable to people who have made the HOF but he didn't have the IMPACT that those players did. Rodman may not have had great all-round numbers since he was primarily just a defensive option, but his INCREDIBLE rebounding rate (especially being undersized like Charles Barkley) and his defense/toughness had a huge impact on the Bulls winning those last couple chips and Detroit reaching the east coast finals and nba finals those years he was there with the other bad boys of detroit (Thomas, Dumars, Lambier etc.). Brand just doesn't have the IMPACT even though he had the numbers. he, however, still has an outside shot of making it somewhere way down the line and hopefully he can get himself on a playoff team before he officially retires and make one last run at the chip.
Boozer - same boat as brand where he totally beasted and feasted while in Utah but ultimately he and deron could never replicate what the mailman Karl Malone and John Stockton did in the 90s. The biggest mark on Boozer is that he simply played no defense. terrible at it, something that Brand excelled at in his prime. and though he has comparable numbers to Brand, that will be the reason he will never be inducted. it doesn't help that no team signed him this year so he has sat out a whole year of basketball. that will never look good on your resume, even a guy like Brand who has absolutely nothing left (even though he did double-double last night) is still on a team. C-Bo was one of the best big man offensively in the last 15 years will great high post and low post skill set to go along with being a good rebounder but he likely will never hear his name called.
Just to throw another name in there, Zach Randolph will also struggle to get in.
Yao has been inducted into the hall this year because of his IMPACT and what he did bringing in the chinese market to the nba even though his career numbers are just about the same as brand and boozer (19 &
and he only played for 9 seasons or so. Manu will get in because he's a foreign player who won 4 titles and was a major contributor on 3 of those title teams. this is despite him having only OK career numbers (foreign players get into the HALL a lot easier). Pau Gasol will easily get in because he's a foreign player who averaged 18 & 10 for more than 10 seasons to go along with 2 chips and being one of the better defenders of our era. of course his amazing vision and ability to pass th e ball as a big man will also factor into him being a first ballot HOFer. that's HOF 101 kids. and if you have any doubts, just wait until 2030 when all these players would have been eligible at least once and see if i even get one wrong.
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Spare yourself, OP...The HOF makes less sense the more you've seen/older you get -- and that's without even getting into the basketball HOF, let alone the "If's."
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