Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. * S7 Premieres May27

RFX45 said:
Fury is a huge liar though and his secrets have secrets so who knows?
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I understand but it doesn't make sense to help Coulson create one Shield and then lead a completely different Shield to oppose him

Maybe if Coulson had gone against Fury's wishes in some way

But as far as I can tell, Coulson has done everything Fury had wanted

And yea, RFX, I was expecting Hill too lol
 
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It seems like the REAL Shield wasn't really made to oppose Coulson, it might already be in existence or recently created as a different and higher echelon and maybe they just also happen to monitor Coulsons Shield? Kind of like Mays job in season 1, secretly monitoring Coulson and just ready to put him down if Fury orders her. Bobby and Mack is pretty much doing almost the same thing that May was doing.

Fury could easily lie and give Coulson the reigns to distract him while he forms the Real Shield? I mean it seems like they are only moving in on Coulsons team because they feel he is unstable or a danger to others?


I just wouldn't be surprised if it was Fury behind all of these.
 
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I'd be surprised. That'll be like when you used to play video games with your younger siblings and they wanted to play so you gave them a controller, but it wasn't really plugged in, and they didn't know but they were having fun anyway.

Also keep in mind, Maria Hill could still be behind it. She could be working for Stark just for his money and resources and funneling all that through this new SHIELD.
 
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I mean it makes sense if Fury just wants Coulson to be distracted as the Real Shield works on the actual work or something? Maybe he knows Coulson wouldn't just back off and stop so he let's him play around with his own team but then he got too close and did too much so now they want him shut down?


If it was anyone else other than Fury, then I might be with you guys but this is Fury and you just can't trust him. :lol: I see this kind of twist happening just because Fury is Fury. I mean dude also said he'd walk away and retire or something and wonder the world but he is obviously back for AoU so again who knows.


My guess could be completely wrong but I'm definitely not putting it past Fury to do something like that at all.
 
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Well, I'd be hella dissappointed if that goes down. Hella DP. I'd feel like the 90% of the first have of the season was a waste.
 
tay1 said:
Well, I'd be hella dissappointed if that goes down. Hella DP. I'd feel like the 90% of the first have of the season was a waste.
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I'm with you, man. Would just seem like a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist and undermining a lot of stuff that went down
 
tay1 said:
I wonder if Odin's dead.
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HC: Odin’s fate is left rather ambiguous at the end of the new film. What’s ahead for the Allfather?

AnthonyHopkins: I’m not sure. He hasn’t physically died on screen, but I played him as a man who’s on his way out. I think they would have to explain in “Thor 3,” if there is one, what happens to Odin. Or maybe it’ll just be a story line, maybe he went to Tahiti or something for a holiday. I don’t know.
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http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movi...anthony-hopkins-on-marvel-hiddleston-odin/#/0

:lol: TAHITI
 
Not really because they uncovered and did a lot, just because the groups creation was a deception doesn't take anything away from what they accomplished. It's just part of the story to keep the group going against something, now they'll be going against actual Shield and not just Hydra Shield. It becomes good versus good this time around?

I mean if this results in Coulson creating a new team that isn't Shield this time or whatever things happen in the finale then it all led up to that (hopefully) because of these events so why would it be a waste.


They still got the Inhumans, Kree, and Terragenesis Mist explained then give Skye power, introduce Mockingbird and Hyde, etc... and I don't see how those are undermined or wasted just because Fury is monitoring Coulsons faux-Shield team?

The show is still about spies in the end so plot twist over plot twist over plot twist are a given.
 
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RFX45 said:
Not really because they uncovered and did a lot, just because the groups creation was a deception doesn't take anything away from what they accomplished. It's just part of the story to keep the group going against something, now they'll be going against actual Shield and not just Hydra Shield. It becomes good versus good this time around?

I mean if this results in Coulson creating a new team that isn't Shield this time or whatever things happen in the finale then it all led up to that (hopefully) because of these events so why would it be a waste.


They still got the Inhumans, Kree, and Terragenesis Mist explained then give Skye power, introduce Mockingbird and Hyde, etc... and I don't see how those are undermined or wasted just because Fury is monitoring Coulsons faux-Shield team?

The show is still about spies in the end so plot twist over plot twist over plot twist are a given.
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Those above weren't a waste. That's why I said 90%. However, this whole season of shield was supposed to be about the rebuilding of it.  If the end is just Coulson with his team, and they're just not calling themselves Shield, but still a team, that entire premise seems like a waste to me.
 
So you're saying all those I described like the Kree and Imhumans and Skyes power and her origins and family explained is only 10%? Because you said 90% was a waste but I'd say it is the other way around?

tay1 said:
Well, I'd be hella dissappointed if that goes down. Hella DP. I'd feel like the 90% of the first have of the season was a waste.
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I mean the second season wasn't about recruiting as much new Shield agents as they can and even when they did it wasn't the main focus of the show. The point of Coulsons team is to move forward and continue it's work as much as they can and not exactly expand.

Again they rebuilt the team and now it is threatened to be broken up again but this time by Fury himself (if that is the twist) and I do not see anything wrong with it. I mean is Avengers wasted now because it was pretty much all built by Fury's lies? He lied why they needed to be assemble, he lied about the Tesseract and his whole plans and he lied in the end about Coulson dying so they would rally but that doesn't negate those events.

If Fury made Coulsons team to just do their work to keep them occupied but then he notices Coulson endangering his team instead and going nuts and they feel Skye needs to be controlled now so he wants to break them up then I don't see that negating them building up the team part of the season even if they aren't officially Shield in the end.

Also keep in mind the title of the show is Agents of Shield so it is about the people of Shield so them not being actually Shield anymore in the end (if it does end that way) isn't really a big deal. They'll probably just find a way to make another team for season 3.
 
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RFX45 said:
So you're saying all those I described like the Kree and Imhumans and Skyes power and her origins and family explained is only 10%? Because you said 90% was a waste but I'd say it is the other way around?


I mean the second season wasn't about recruiting as much new Shield agents as they can and even when they did it wasn't the main focus of the show. The point of Coulsons team is to move forward and continue it's work as much as they can and not exactly expand.

Again they rebuilt the team and now it is threatened to be broken up again but this time by Fury himself (if that is the twist) and I do not see anything wrong with it. I mean is Avengers wasted now because it was pretty much all built by Fury's lies? He lied why they needed to be assemble, he lied about the Tesseract and his whole plans and he lied in the end about Coulson dying so they would rally but that doesn't negate those events.

If Fury made Coulsons team to just do their work to keep them occupied but then he notices Coulson endangering his team instead and going nuts and they feel Skye needs to be controlled now so he wants to break them up then I don't see that negating them building up the team part of the season even if they aren't officially Shield in the end.

Also keep in mind the title of the show is Agents of Shield so it is about the people of Shield so them not being actually Shield anymore in the end (if it does end that way) isn't really a big deal. They'll probably just find a way to make another team for season 3.
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That's just how I look at the second season. This was all about the rebuilding of Shield and the hunt for Hydra for me. Rebuilding Shield is why Coulson risked his team all for one Quinjet and disrespected governments orders. Of course other things are going to occur, but it still doesn't deviate from the  main premise, even with the importance of the Kree and Inhumans. It just gives them more missions and matters to deal with. With you breaking it down, I can see Fury being behind it, I just don't want that. I'd be cool if it Hill, I just don't want Fury to be behind it. And those situations are entirely different from what's going on now. He lied for what he believed to be better for the world/Shield. Fury giving him the toolbox and not expecting things to go awry or as if the world wasn't going to get crazy again just doesn't do it for me.
 
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Oh yeah I'd be perfectly fine if Fury stays strictly on film these days, I want what I've always wanted from the beginning and that's just more powered beings. Hydes team was extra weak, thought it was going to last more than an episode at least. :lol: But the Inhumans (blind teleporting dude) got me real interested and really looking forward Hyde transforming, along with Skye/Daisys powers developing and her mastering it (I can imagine her being like Terra from the Teen Titans cartoon) is what peaks my interest on the show these days, the spie and whole group has taken a backseat. I am not even really sure I care too much about the Real Shield reveal if I am really looking at what I want to see in the show. :rofl:
 
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The whole real shield thing just seems like Civil War setup for me. They're gonna clash until a bigger problem surfaces, and compromise eventually or Coulson starts another organization.
 
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Fury did tell the Avengers lies yes but the creation of the team wasn't based on a lie

He withheld the fact that Shield was using the Tesseract to make wmds and planted some cards on a dead Coulson

Making Coulson think that he is rebuilding an agency from the ground up when he's really not would be a whole different ball of wax

And you can't really compare May keeping an eye on Coulson the first season to this, it's a new level of deception as well - if the show will take it to that direction.

The twist is unecessary. They should just have Hill or a new guy head up the 'Real' Shield
 
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I really don't think this is Fury or Hill. I'm just waiting to see what this show has in store. I see the growing rift between Skye and Simmons. Always talking about sedating her and whatnot. Now you have this new mission that Coulson put her on... Interesting.
 
amel223 said:
Fury did tell the Avengers lies yes but the creation of the team wasn't based on a lie

He withheld the fact that Shield was using the Tesseract to make wmds and planted some cards on a dead Coulson

Making Coulson think that he is rebuilding an agency from the ground up when he's really not would be a whole different ball of wax

And you can't really compare May keeping an eye on Coulson the first season to this, it's a new level of deception as well - if the show will take it to that direction.

The twist is unecessary. They should just have Hill or a new guy head up the 'Real' Shield
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He did lie to the Avengers and why they got together, he tried to clean up his own mess by not divulging everything. That is a lie.


And Bobby and Mack is just like May, it's just on a different level but if they are indeed planted to keep an eye on Coulson/the team and then they report for it to be disbanded and stopped then that is exactly the same with May. Different reasons but the same concept.

I am not saying Avengers and Coulson building the team are the exact same thing, it is an example of a Fury's lies and how deceptive he is and that is why I can see it all being Fury.

And yes the creation of the team was a lie, even the "Avengers Initiative" was only known to him and Stark, I remember because I just saw it again on FX or something (seems like they show it everyday now) and Fury explains the concept by saying, "Stark knows this..." while explaining to Cap iirc. That was Fury's initial plana nd he kind of used the Tesseract to get them together, I guess killing two birds with one stone and yes it is like a grey area of a lie but it is still a lie in the end.

I understand though that in the end it's just you not liking the shoe to go that way so you don't think it will be Fury while I can see it but doesn't necessarily mean I like it either, just saying it's possible.

How many more episodes are left anyways before we find out how it all turns out? Or will we likely know who is in charge of Real Shield next week?
 
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from the teaser for the next episode, seems like the head of the REAL Shield is Edward James Olmos

makes sense from a casting standpoint
 
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What if Edward James Olmos is reall Edward James Olmos but is actually Fury in disguise to infiltrate the Real Shield and put it down because Coulsons Shield is actually the Real REAL Shield?
 
Why the Avengers got together wasn't a lie. Loki had the Tesseract, the Avengers were banded to keep Loki from doing evil things with it. That Shield had its own plan with the Tesseract is not really relevant. It's a lie by omission but it's not the reason they got together. Again, the Avengers getting together was not based on a lie.
 
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Could real shield be that group of people in avengers that ordered the jet to go to NY against Fury's orders?
 
amel223 said:
Why the Avengers got together wasn't a lie. Loki had the Tesseract, the Avengers were banded to keep Loki from doing evil things with it. That Shield had its own plan with the Tesseract is not really relevant. Again, the Avengers getting together was not based on a lie.
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Technically it was, it wasn't a clear cut black or white but just by not divulging why they were there to retreat the Teserract for (So Shield could keep making weapons with it's power) then it is partly a lie and still a lie. Fury also clearly lied why he needs it too by saying it is a source of sustainable energy implying that is what he needs it for. It's exactly what Stark was working on in the beginning with his building and that is the line he fed Cap so he'd help out.

Not to mention that Fury already had the Avengers Initiative planned but never really let everyone know about it, so to me it is also a way to get Banner on the ship, say they need his help to track the Teserract. which is true to an extent but he also already had him planned for the team all along.

Just depends how you see it I guess.
 
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vcshoxj6 said:
Could real shield be that group of people in avengers that ordered the jet to go to NY against Fury's orders?
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Those guys died in CA: WS, I think the only one that survived is the chick that BW disguised as. It's a possibility though that those that were killed were replaced.
 
If they stick with UU Fury's character I can definitely see him being such an a-hole that he'd have Coulson running one arm of SHIELD while he sets up another.
 
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