Originally Posted by S4L3
They were expected, yes, EXPECTED to win multiple titles, they were and are, that great.
Nah, I don't see it. Franchise QB? yes. Generation changing QB? I'm not buying it.
This is a microwave style league right now where after 1 or 2 years, people are ready to put these young ones on a pedestal.
...and in the process knock down other young QBs for off the wall reasons such as you have down right now comparing Luck and Wilson.
I keep tryin to get to you with this, but I keep getting derailed elsewhere.
Hey, everyone views things diff, I get that, but every draft guy I trust has said that Luck was their highest draft grade, basically all the way back to Elway.
Those are just words and evals, I get that. But it's the starting point for where a player/prospect is starting from. Same as a QB that gets picked #1 overall, or a 6th round QB that starts nowhere and rises up. Or a grocery bagger that becomes one of the best ever QB's.
I don't know if that makes Luck generation changing, or more like generation defining. I don't know. But he's the measure, the starting point imo.
Few weeks back, I heard a comment, didn't like it, chewed on it, and then started to slowly come around, and I dropped it in here as well.
We all expect him to be Peyton. Golden arm, computer brain, even drafted by the same team. But, Luck may not have the "care" to throw it around like Manning. Peyton was gonna get his numbers no matter who they played, who they faced, what the defense did, Peyton was getting his number. Luck, is not wired that way. He just does what is needed.
Sort of.....Troy Aikman-ish. Troy get you 5 TD's one game, and throw for 130 yards and no TD's the next while he feeds Emmitt play after play.
Luck will throw to his two tight ends sets. Then he'll move on to his #1 WR. Another game he goes with his #2 WR. Next game he feeds his RB and grinds the game out. Another game he'll win with his legs. He doesn't care how, he just gets wins. He doesn't have to get his 300 and 3 scores, he does whatever is needed.
I assume you know Aikman well. Maybe you like the comp, maybe you hate it. But you seem firmly stuck on praising Cam or whoever else, and claiming Luck is just some "flavor of the month" NT fan fav. Yet the football world was on Luck from go. Suck for Luck was not an NT term. That was a nationwide campaign. Everyone, EVERY one, was in on Luck as far back as his sophomore year. He didn't come out of nowhere, he's been hyped for years now.
Russ is great. Love watchin the kid play. But he's not Andrew Luck. I'm not putting him down or saying he's terrible, he's just not what Andrew is. And that's all I was saying about Dland's list. I can't get with having Wilson ahead of Luck, just can't do it.