NFL Quarterbacks Discussion thread: 2013 Edition

Listen dude, you should not point any fingers at me about Welker. Trust me. :lol:

You brought up welker not being elite though....

How am i not gonna point fingers? You just said that many said he wasn't considered elite. Would any team trade a 2nd + for a non elite player? Why use it as an argument for your belief when you dont believe it?

Ask what NTer predicted Wes being a Pro Bowler THE DAY he was traded to NE.

Please, ask who that was.

Then, ask how many people BLASTED, said NTer.

Please.
 
but do you understand the drop off a near undefeated season to 11-5 and missed playoffs? not to mention, the AFC East played the NFC West and AFC West that year with Cassel. do you know how bad a drop off it is when you don't make the playoffs from the AFC East, after going 18-1? it's the one year we've missed the playoffs since 2002, maybe?

What im saying is that he did that with Cassel. Lets say even a decent Qb at best (Delhomme, Schaub, Romo...all the 08' versions of course) you honestly think that offense wouldn't have had success? they went 11-5 with garbage. Thats the difference. Mannings offense being run by garbage = 2-14. Brady's offense being run by garbage = 11-5

BB means MUCH more to Tom Brady's success than any fanboy will ever admit.
 
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Tom can use multiple offenses, multiple groupings and still be efficient. Run based offense, pass heavy offense, WR based, two TE based. He can work in any offense and do work.

Peyton has ran HIS system since day 1. The first and only offense he ever learned he's ran that even thru today. The Broncos scrapped their offense for his when he came in.
That's not a knock on him, he's a genius to pull that off, but to me, a QB that can alter his style 3-4 times and still be elite is better than the guy running one way for 15 years.

If you switched names and Tom ran one offense for 15 years and Peyton adjusted his style, his O 3-4 times, I'd back Peyton.

NOW YOU ARE SAYING TOM CAN DO MORE? :rofl:

My god you are delusional. Peyton is in another league when it comes to preperation and football iq from anyone in the nfl, not just tom brady. That is well known.
 
Ask what NTer predicted Wes being a Pro Bowler THE DAY he was traded to NE.

Please, ask who that was.

Then, ask how many people BLASTED, said NTer.

Please.

I would probably be right there with you. Just sheer numbers while not starting that much should've shown people he was in for a big year.

N sorry for the multiple posts, i should've multi quoted. i just got too excited :lol:
 
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NOW YOU ARE SAYING TOM CAN DO MORE?
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My god you are delusional. Peyton is in another league when it comes to preperation and football iq from anyone in the nfl, not just tom brady. That is well known.
What makes you say that?
 
but do you understand the drop off a near undefeated season to 11-5 and missed playoffs? not to mention, the AFC East played the NFC West and AFC West that year with Cassel. do you know how bad a drop off it is when you don't make the playoffs from the AFC East, after going 18-1? it's the one year we've missed the playoffs since 2002, maybe?

What im saying is that he did that with Cassel. Lets say even a decent Qb at best (Delhomme, Schaub, Romo...all the 08' versions of course) you honestly think that offense wouldn't have had success? they went 11-5 with garbage. Thats the difference. Mannings offense being run by garbage = 2-14. Brady's offense being run by garbage = 11-5

cassel had some time to learn the offense...i do honestly think it would be tough for someone to come right in and do it. but if someone more established had been behind brady for a couple years, sure they could probably exceed 11-5. but who really knows? you bring in some of those other guys who are bad at protecting the ball, and you could do even worse. it's tough to play that game.

i get it though, 11-5 isn't shabby by any means. but it wasn't the same. and to say anyone can run that offense like tom does isn't fair imo. it'd be like saying well anyone can run the GB offense because whenever that scrub matt flynn started for GB, there was literally ZERO drop off in that offense's production. literally ZERO. it wouldn't be fair because it's over simplifying things to say that.
 
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What makes you say that?
During last week's Tennessee Football Coaching Clinic, longtime University of Tennessee Sports Technology Coordinator Joe Harrington talks about the unique request Peyton Manning made to him last summer.

This was Peyton Manning's request, as recalled by Harrington: "'In 1996, Tennessee played Ole Miss in Memphis. In the third quarter, we ran a play called flip right duo X motion fake roll 98 block pass special. I need you to find that play, I need you to digitize it, and I need you to send it to me in Denver.'"

There was "no hi, how you doing, nothing," according to Harrington. Just the play, which was "exactly where he said it would be."

Peyton Manning redefines the term "leave no stone unturned" when it comes to preparing as an NFL quarterback. Even one play he ran one time in college, 16 years earlier, is fair game.

How impressive it is that Manning has the capacity to recall such a detail.
That was the first article when i googled Peyton manning preparation. I can go ahead and find probaly 200 more.

cassel had some time to learn the offense...i do honestly think it would be tough for someone to come right in and do it. but if someone more established had been behind brady for a couple years, sure they could probably exceed 11-5. but who really knows? you bring in some of those other guys who are bad at protecting the ball, and you could do even worse. it's tough to play that game.

i get it though, 11-5 isn't shabby by any means. but it wasn't the same. and to say anyone can run that offense like tom does isn't fair imo. it'd be like saying well anyone can run the GB offense because whenever that scrub matt flynn started for GB, there was literally ZERO drop off in that offense's production. literally ZERO. it wouldn't be fair because it's over simplifying things to say that.

I am absolutely not slighting Brady. I am not saying that "anyone" can run his offense to the perfection that he did. He is the 2nd greatest qb of our generation. My argument is that there is one qb that can do it better. that is all. No one but these two can run it to that level. You were bringing up the drop off in production so i countered that even with garbage talent at Qb they managed an elite offense.
 
I understand that having Manning number 1 in terms of prep, and I agree but I think the other Elites are right there with him.
 
Why is Peyton Manning better than Drew Brees again?

Why is Peyton Manning the 2nd best of our generation over Drew Brees?
 
I understand that having Manning number 1 in terms of prep, and I agree but I think the other Elites are right there with him.
Who has the numbers, accolades, and a chip like Manning? Are you serious? It is him and Brady.


Why is Peyton Manning better than Drew Brees again?

Why is Peyton Manning the 2nd best of our generation over Drew Brees?

sustained success /discussion. Brees is not Manning or Brady, and Manning is the best of this generation. Brady was second :tongue:
 
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cassel had some time to learn the offense...i do honestly think it would be tough for someone to come right in and do it. but if someone more established had been behind brady for a couple years, sure they could probably exceed 11-5. but who really knows? you bring in some of those other guys who are bad at protecting the ball, and you could do even worse. it's tough to play that game.

i get it though, 11-5 isn't shabby by any means. but it wasn't the same. and to say anyone can run that offense like tom does isn't fair imo. it'd be like saying well anyone can run the GB offense because whenever that scrub matt flynn started for GB, there was literally ZERO drop off in that offense's production. literally ZERO. it wouldn't be fair because it's over simplifying things to say that.

It seems your just thinking it was an missed opportunity that Brady was hurt that year. You wanted payback and didn't get it I understand. But 11-5 is 11-5 homie. Take it from a skins fan. Teams don't JUST go 11-5.

And CP if that's what your using to say he's better I have to respect that.

But in my honest opinion. As far as SKILLS go. Tom Brady is not a better QB than Peyton Manning.
 
I understand that having Manning number 1 in terms of prep, and I agree but I think the other Elites are right there with him.
Who has the numbers, accolades, and a chip like Manning? Are you serious? It is him and Brady.


Why is Peyton Manning better than Drew Brees again?

Why is Peyton Manning the 2nd best of our generation over Drew Brees?

sustained success /discussion. Brees is not Manning or Brady, and Manning is the best of this generation. Brady was second :tongue:



I just don't see how someone can look at Peyton Manning's playoff performances and proclaim him the greatest anything.
 
So they fact that his defense let the Ravens score in less time than it took for me to pour my next drink had nothing to do with it? Ok

His INT cost them that game. Yup just that.
 
So they fact that his defense let the Ravens score in less time than it took for me to pour my next drink had nothing to do with it? Ok

His INT cost them that game. Yup just that.

Dude had 3 turnovers man.

And 14 points from special teams.

You supposed to win that game if you are elite.
 
I'm so f'ing tired of debating the same two QBs with he same points. Until something new comes up can we just let it be?
 
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Yea this is getting no where. :lol: never does.

They are both first ballot Hall of Famers.

Ill just leave it at that.

But Peyton would have went 16-0 with Randy too!!! :lol:
 
I'm so f'ing of tired debating the same two QBs with he same points. Until something new comes up can we just let it be?

Personally I think Drew Brees is a greater NFL quarterback than Peyton Manning.

He has as many Super Bowls rings, the highest playoff QB rating of any QB in the Super Bowl era. What elite talent has Drew Brees ever played with in New Orleans?

My life on the line gimme Drew over anybody not named Aaron Rodgers.
 
And the thing is I can't dispute that without somehow sounding stupid.

Drew is a beast. :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

But Aaron is the best right now. That guy has it ALL. :lol:
 
I do understand what SD was thinking but still, can't feel good :lol:
 
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Dude had 3 turnovers man.

And 14 points from special teams.

You supposed to win that game if you are elite.

This, this, and this.

Its convientely forgotten that Denver scored touchdowns on a kickoff return and a punt return that game. But no blame to defense for that touchdown flacco threw even though Baltimore woulda been up 7 in the final minue if not for 2 special teams plays. All the Peyton fans I've ever argued with have a selective memory and funny way of passing the blame elsewhere. 2005 against Pittsburgh, there copout is to blame vanderjat as if the steelers didn't get screwed when polomalus interception got overturned and the only reason they got the ball back to begin with was due to a fluke Jerome bettis fumble.

End of the day Peyton is not the best qb of our generation.

Peyton is footballs version of the 1990's Atlanta braves.

If I want a guy who's going to win in the regular season and take me to 13-3 and a 1 and done playoff loss give me Peyton manning. He's been to the playoffs 12 times, 8 of those were 1 and done.

If I need to win 1 game of importance Peyton is about the 4th or 5th option id choose out of all the qb's currently in the league.

This is going to just be useless back and forth chatter all season long. Ill just wait til January when the broncos lose at home to another team they have no business losing to and say "I told you so"
 
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