R.I.P Trayvon

shoelyesses said:
lol I think they are educated persons who develop a craft of manipulating the truth, avoiding integrity, and dance the fine line of morality and honesty. I do think you have to a certain mindset to be comfortable representing a potential person who maybe evil and display ill will, with a straight face, and place your personal feelings and beliefs aside.
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Every defendant deserves their day in court and full representation. What is the point of calling defense attorneys dirtbags? What is the alternative? To not allow defendants to be represented by counsel? We want defendants to be convicted, but convicted for the right reasons. The last thing we want is people like MikeJeffJo to be able to decide whether or not someone is guilty without at least affording the accused their right to a fair trial.
 
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Hasn't it been over an hour already? haha
BTW I feel like the defense won the 1st half of today by a landslide.
 
letsgetit22 said:
Hasn't it been over an hour already? haha
BTW I feel like the defense won the 1st half of today by a landslide.
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They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
 
moonmaster3 said:
Every defendant deserves their day in court and full representation. What is the point of calling defense attorneys dirtbags? What is the alternative? To not allow defendants to be represented by counsel? We want defendants to be convicted, but convicted for the right reasons. The last thing we want is people like MikeJeffJo to be able to decide whether or not someone is guilty without at least affording the accused their right to a fair trial.
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true but in all honesty we do have pp,l hell even take it a step further a government, lawmakers, law enforcement, judicial system etc... who do share his frame of mind...only in favor of majority and against minorities.
 
rashi said:
My wife is Defense Attorney. Pipe that down.
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lol... my bad..

but seriously tho... what does she say about the morality aspect? does she only take on clients she believes are innocent or what?

i would have a hard time trusting someone that treated it like business and didn't give a **** what the person did or is accused of doing

im asking these questions out of curiosity, not judgement
 
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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can't agree with this.... it's been a toss up until today

the "imperfect self defense" or whatever the term was used today is the only thing I put one side in front of the other...

the defense definitely didn't win **** yesterday... the M.E. tore them a new one
 
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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As a spurs fan, you reopened a wound that hasn't fully healed. Haha and smh. But I agee. The prosecution has only had one dominant day which was yesterday. O'mara has basically done whatever the hell he feels like. How can someone get away with so many questions that lead to speculation and the prosecution not object to the question?
 
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011781 said:
lol... my bad..

but seriously tho... what does she say about the morality aspect? does she only take on clients she believes are innocent or what?

i would have a hard time trusting someone that treated it like business and didn't give a **** what the person did or is accused of doing

im asking these questions out of curiosity, not judgement
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She isnt a partner in a firm, so she gets cases that they appoint her to. She is a fairly recent grad, like 3 years, so she wouldnt get a case like this right now. So she really doesnt have a say in what she thinks is moral. Though, her main job is to create doubt in the State's case. Not only does she to Criminal Defense, she does a lot of Civil Right's so she tries to investigate if the alleged suspects' right were infringed, and most times they are. Police officers do some grimey things with fabrication of evidence, wrongful documentation, ect.
 
letsgetit22 said:
O'mara has basically done whatever the hell he feels like. How can someone get away with so many questions that lead to speculation and the prosecution not object to the question?
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see... this is why yall need to be watching on the Channel 9 feed lol

the lawyer on there actually talked about your point earlier... he said it's not considered leading when the defense does it. he went into detail but i cant remember word for word.
 
MrWavez said:
so what could trayvon have done to change this situation?
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I know what you mean. It's like how long do you wait to physically intervene and defend yourself from a potential threat? Being 17, should he have waited for the 28 yr old to swing on him? Pull a gun on him?

Maybe they're saying Trayvon ambushed him rather than exercising his ability to retreat first? I don't know.

All I know is this: if I'm 17, obviously being followed in the rain, in the dark, in an unfamiliar area...I'm probably gonna at some point turn around, walk backwards and be like "wtf do you want?" If I get no response, I'm bolting (if possible). If there's no retreat (cornered, dude is gaining on me), I'm picking up something off the ground and/or putting my hands up and saying "back the *** up"

He has to be given a little leeway in his reaction, because he is a teen. Common sense says there is an element of fear at that age.

Unfortunately, the law has different distinctions.
 
CelticsFan9783 said:
I know what you mean. It's like how long do you wait to physically intervene and defend yourself from a potential threat? Being 17, should he have waited for the 28 yr old to swing on him? Pull a gun on him?

Maybe they're saying Trayvon ambushed him rather than exercising his ability to retreat first? I don't know.

All I know is this: if I'm 17, obviously being followed in the rain, in the dark, in an unfamiliar area...I'm probably gonna at some point turn around, walk backwards and be like "wtf do you want?" If I get no response, I'm bolting (if possible). If there's no retreat (cornered, dude is gaining on me), I'm picking up something off the ground and/or putting my hands up and saying "back the *** up"

He has to be given a little leeway in his reaction, because he is a teen. Common sense says there is an element of fear at that age.

Unfortunately, the law has different distinctions.
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yeah my thoughts exactly...and when did they come to the conclusion that trayvon was on top of zimmerman when the shot was fired off? :smh: they talking on the news like john goods testimony is the only one that matters
 
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011781 said:
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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can't agree with this.... it's been a toss up until today

the "imperfect self defense" or whatever the term was used today is the only thing I put one side in front of the other...

the defense definitely didn't win **** yesterday... the M.E. tore them a new one
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I'll give you that. Their best day was for sure yesterday but even then, the defense got what they wanted from the M.E. "Its possible". That helps the defense's case of creating doubt in the jury's mind.

State still has an uphill battle to go
letsgetit22 said:
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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As a spurs fan, you reopened a wound that hasn't fully healed. Haha and smh. But I agee. The prosecution has only had one dominant day which was yesterday. O'mara has basically done whatever the hell he feels like. How can someone get away with so many questions that lead to speculation and the prosecution not object to the question?
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Damn my bad bro
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Does anyone know why Serino's testimony on him believing GZ was telling the truth was disregarded a day later?
 
People only think defense attorneys are dirtbags if they believe the defendant is guilty. What about the innocent people who need great defense attorneys?
 
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Elpablo21 said:
Does anyone know why Serino's testimony on him believing GZ was telling the truth was disregarded a day later?
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via Channel 9... again ftw lol

dude said only witnesses classified as "experts" can give opinion or speculation type testimony

do u remember them having discussion prior to certain witnesses coming up about if they're an expert and both sides having to agree before hand?  that's why they do it...
 
011781 said:
see... this is why yall need to be watching on the Channel 9 feed lol

the lawyer on there actually talked about your point earlier... he said it's not considered leading when the defense does it. he went into detail but i cant remember word for word.
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If I'm not mistaken, I've heard the prosecution object to some of the defense questions saying that they were leading and cause for speculation and the judge sustained. Also, what channel 9 link? I'm in los Angeles and we have kcal 9 but I can't find a link on their site. If you can, can you please post it? I'm watching on msnbc online.
 
Elpablo21 said:
011781 said:
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo

The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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can't agree with this.... it's been a toss up until today

the "imperfect self defense" or whatever the term was used today is the only thing I put one side in front of the other...

the defense definitely didn't win **** yesterday... the M.E. tore them a new one
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I'll give you that. Their best day was for sure yesterday but even then, the defense got what they wanted from the M.E. "Its possible". That helps the defense's case of creating doubt in the jury's mind.

State still has an uphill battle to go
letsgetit22 said:
Elpablo21 said:
They've won everyday up to this point imo


The state's team is the equivalent of Manu Ginobili in the 2013 Finals
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As a spurs fan, you reopened a wound that hasn't fully healed. Haha and smh. But I agee. The prosecution has only had one dominant day which was yesterday. O'mara has basically done whatever the hell he feels like. How can someone get away with so many questions that lead to speculation and the prosecution not object to the question?
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:lol: Damn my bad bro :smh:

Does anyone know why Serino's testimony on him believing GZ was telling the truth was disregarded a day later?
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when he said he believed he was telling the truth it was actually about that he wished it was recorded not about the events of the night i got confused a lil bit to but go back and watch the vid Omara asks him if he believes him if GZ wishes somebody had that on video. its stuff like that that will trick the jury. and a lot of people made that mistake thinking he was talking about if he believed him on what happened that night
 
Big J 33 said:
People only think defense attorneys are dirtbags if they believe the defendant is guilty. What about the innocent people who need great defense attorneys?
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that's why i asked about picking and choosing clients...

personally, i dont have it in me to defend someone that's obviously guilty.... ie: school shooters, people caught on tape, etc
 
MrWavez said:
yeah my thoughts exactly...and when did they come to the conclusion that trayvon was on top of zimmerman when the shot was fired off? :smh: they talking on the news like john goods testimony is the only one that matters
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did anyone testify that they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon tho?
The evidence presented thus far points to Trayvom being on top unless i missed something
 
011781 said:
via Channel 9... again ftw lol

dude said only witnesses classified as "experts" can give opinion or speculation type testimony

do u remember them having discussion prior to certain witnesses coming up about if they're an expert and both sides having to agree before hand?  that's why they do it...
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1) You can ask leading questions on cross (the question itself suggests the answer. Ex: You ran the red light, didn't you?)
2) Experts are allowed to speculate (speak on topics not within their personal knowledge)
3) Experts can testify about ultimate issues (ex: whether or not something was reasonable)
4) A person must qualify as an expert before they can give expert testimony. Whether something requires an expert opinion or a lay opinion is sometimes a topic of debate.
 
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