R.I.P Trayvon

Even lower level freemasons who've barely past the 1st degree get out of parking tickets

To think that just cuz you're lower level you have no pull or connects when you're clearly apart of "the club"

is beyond stupidity
 
LyonBC1 said:
^^there CLEARLY is if you don't see that you're blind or just in denial. If a black neighborhood watchman killed a white kid they would've been charged immediately. There was also the case of the woman who was using Stand your ground who fired a warning shot and is in prison for 20 yrs. there are probably several others to, to deny race is playing a role is straight up laughable
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And to say race is 100% the reason this happened is even more laughable.
 
LyonBC1 said:
^^there CLEARLY is if you don't see that you're blind or just in denial. If a black neighborhood watchman killed a white kid they would've been charged immediately. There was also the case of the woman who was using Stand your ground who fired a warning shot and is in prison for 20 yrs. there are probably several others to, to deny race is playing a role is straight up laughable
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She was offered a plea bargin of 2 years which meant she would be out in 1 year. She choose trial which means a min sentence of 20 years.. Who fault is that?

Also after she left she made the decision to go back into the house was not consistent with someone in fear for her safety. If she was scared why did she go back into the house then fire in his direction and 2 kids

Also she was sentence to a max of 20 years/min of 20 years
 
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Superb said:
LyonBC1 said:
^^there CLEARLY is if you don't see that you're blind or just in denial. If a black neighborhood watchman killed a white kid they would've been charged immediately. There was also the case of the woman who was using Stand your ground who fired a warning shot and is in prison for 20 yrs. there are probably several others to, to deny race is playing a role is straight up laughable
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She was offered a plea bargin of 2 years which meant she would be out in 1 year. She choose trial which means a min sentence of 20 years.. Who fault is that?
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Srsly?
 
Superb said:
hahahah naw your wrong . A magistrate is NOT a judge nor do they have judical powers and also his dad only work that low level spot from 2001-2006.. You really think he have connects, get out of here
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Lol u clearly aren't that knowledgeable about the legal system. The terms magistrate and judge are pretty much interchangeable... Much like cart attendant and "buggy boy". I said not that it matters, meaning I agree his position prolly carried little or no weight in the current case
 
Superb said:
She was offered a plea bargin of 2 years which meant she would be out in 1 year. She choose trial which means a min sentence of 20 years.. Who fault is that?
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her counsel.... its pretty obvious she wasn't vastly knowledgeable of the law, and probably advised to do so by her representation. Not trying to justify it, but to elude or suggest she is at fault is absurd. Clearly due to technicalities etc... and intricacies of the law, found her guilty. In the same sense they can find gz not guilty. Whether these "technicalities" or exceptions of the law are racially bias is a whole nother topic at hand.  
 
Superb said:
hahahah naw your wrong . A magistrate is NOT a judge nor do they have judical powers and also his dad only work that low level spot from 2001-2006.. You really think he have connects, get out of here
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A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern day usage the term usually refers to a judge.

I mean in this day in the age of google etc...cats can look up youtube videos of cats skateboarding, scour hours on end for pron, do thorough research on sweatshop made tennis shoes, yet cannot do something as simplistic as look up a word before emphatically being wrong....

Boy I tell you the state of todays youth.
 
shoelyesses said:
A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern day usage the term usually refers to a judge.

I mean in this day in the age of google etc...cats can look up youtube videos of cats skateboarding, scour hours on end for pron, do thorough research on sweatshop made tennis shoes, yet cannot do something as simplistic as look up a word before emphatically being wrong....

Boy I tell you the state of todays youth.
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Im not going to sit here and argue. When your in the courtroom if ever instead of saying judge call them magistrate and see what the judge will ay.

They are not the same no where near. a magistrate doesnt even have judical powers which means they cannot sentence anybody or make high power decision like a real judge..

Do your reading

https://www.google.com/search?q=mag...:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
 
doyung9 said:
I'm not going to go back and forth with you or anyone else, because I frankly don't have the time, but a few things.

1. You cannot say with any certainty that his skin color had anything to do with this. There is a reason banks and other establishments ask for hat, sunglasses, and HOODS be removed before entering. Hooded pullovers, when pulled over your head, offer significant cover from recognition. Unlike you, I'm not going to assume I know what George Zimmerman would have done to a "white man in a suit" (funny how quick some people are to throw that term out there) or in a polo.

2. You're creating most of these "implications". "Punk" does not mean black. From what he said, NOT WHAT YOU THINK HE SAID OR THINK HE MEANT BY WHAT HE SAID, punk is referring to who always gets away in that neighborhood, which by PROVEN CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION, can only be traced back to the burglars who'd been breaking in that neighborhood.

3. You're over here reaching, like most people, because deep down inside, anytime something happens to someone "black", it's gotta be racism right? Can't be anything else. Meanwhile, YOU'RE BEING EXTREMELY RACIST AND PRESUMPTUOUS by convincing yourself of facts about this case that are merely your theories. And why?

Because just like the idiot I spoke to yesterday who told me "life is about assuming things in life", in regards to this same topic, YOUR PERSONAL ASSUMPTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS CASE ARE BLINDING YOU TO WHAT'S ON PAPER.
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in most part I agree with the exception of race. Race, religion, sex and money is the cornerstone and pretty much the root to any and every aspect of everything. Its the reason we have wars, hell it is the motivation of everything be it good or bad in the world.

We don't know if it had all to do with his race, but his race indeed was a factor, it is equally absurd to think we live in a colorblind society, or to think he was a colorblind individual. This is not to say his sole purpose reasoning was based on race and only race. But based on testimony and the fact a large majority of the previous burglaries were young to middle aged black males, the fact that he fit this description did resonate in his mind.

We cant say well if  he was white/Asian/Spanish etc... how would he have responded because it is to many factors to definitively say if he was white he would've did this or that.
 
shoelyesses said:
A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern day usage the term usually refers to a judge.

I mean in this day in the age of google etc...cats can look up youtube videos of cats skateboarding, scour hours on end for pron, do thorough research on sweatshop made tennis shoes, yet cannot do something as simplistic as look up a word before emphatically being wrong....

Boy I tell you the state of todays youth.
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uhm ok read this http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-magistrates-and-judges/

Unlike a judge, a magistrate has only limited law enforcement and administrative powers.

Summary:

1. Judges are credited to have more powers than a magistrate.
2. The magistrate is known to have powers more of an administrator, and most of them handle only minor offences.
3. As the less important cases are handled by the magistrates, the judges are free to focus on complex cases.
4. Unlike a judge, a magistrate has only limited law enforcement and administrative powers.
5. When talking about jurisdiction, the magistrate has only a limited jurisdiction when compared to a judge. Maybe the magistrate has only jurisdiction within a region, district, province, or county. The judges have a higher authority that may include the state or even an entire country.

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shoelyesses said:
her counsel.... its pretty obvious she wasn't vastly knowledgeable of the law, and probably advised to do so by her representation. Not trying to justify it, but to elude or suggest she is at fault is absurd. Clearly due to technicalities etc... and intricacies of the law, found her guilty. In the same sense they can find gz not guilty. Whether these "technicalities" or exceptions of the law are racially bias is a whole nother topic at hand.  
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GREAT! Well how about this

What he is conveniently not telling you is that when she posted bail after being taken into custody the first time, she was told not to go near her husband. Instead she drove over to his house and got into an altercation with him ending up with him receiving a black eye. This being the man of whom she "feared for her life." Also, the bullet hole was not in the ceiling, but rather lower in the wall leading into the room next door. People on here are too quick to judge and need to learn how to get all the facts before making a decision.

A judge ruled against Alexander in a Stand Your Ground hearing in 2011, saying that her choice to go back in the house to face her husband was not consistent with someone who was in “genuine fear of his or her life.
 
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shoelyesses said:
in most part I agree with the exception of race. Race, religion, sex and money is the cornerstone and pretty much the root to any and every aspect of everything. Its the reason we have wars, hell it is the motivation of everything be it good or bad in the world.

We don't know if it had all to do with his race, but his race indeed was a factor, it is equally absurd to think we live in a colorblind society, or to think he was a colorblind individual. This is not to say his sole purpose reasoning was based on race and only race. But based on testimony and the fact a large majority of the previous burglaries were young to middle aged black males, the fact that he fit this description did resonate in his mind.

We cant say well if  he was white/Asian/Spanish etc... how would he have responded because it is to many factors to definitively say if he was white he would've did this or that.
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Basically, that's all I'm trying to say. I don't think people understand that the purpose of the American Legal System is to make the best decision with the actual facts provided and use a little amount of speculation necessary, if any.

I'm not dense nor naive, of course, it's ridiculous to think George Zimmerman or anyone else on this planet doesn't have their predispositions about black people, white people, fat people, short people, ugly people, pretty girls, juiced up guys, nba players, criminals etc.

But there is ZERO PROOF that he shot Trayvon Martin because he's black. I really wish people would let that go.

This is about whether Zimmerman was inside his rights to shoot Trayvon Martin. That's it. And if Trayvon did in fact go BACK toward Zimmerman and instigated the confrontation, then there's not much else to say.
 
DWalk31 said:
Superb said:
hahahah naw your wrong . A magistrate is NOT a judge nor do they have judical powers and also his dad only work that low level spot from 2001-2006.. You really think he have connects, get out of here
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Lol u clearly aren't that knowledgeable about the legal system. The terms magistrate and judge are pretty much interchangeable... Much like cart attendant and "buggy boy". I said not that it matters, meaning I agree his position prolly carried little or no weight in the current case
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The terms may be interchangeable but the powers vary. In PA, magistrates are elected officials but u don't have to have a JD to become one as opposed to being a judge.

But that's not to say he didn't have any pull. 5yrs is long enough to make friends that can pull some strings for you.

The prosecution's execution w/ this case is pathetic.
 
doyung9 said:
shoelyesses said:
in most part I agree with the exception of race. Race, religion, sex and money is the cornerstone and pretty much the root to any and every aspect of everything. Its the reason we have wars, hell it is the motivation of everything be it good or bad in the world.

We don't know if it had all to do with his race, but his race indeed was a factor, it is equally absurd to think we live in a colorblind society, or to think he was a colorblind individual. This is not to say his sole purpose reasoning was based on race and only race. But based on testimony and the fact a large majority of the previous burglaries were young to middle aged black males, the fact that he fit this description did resonate in his mind.

We cant say well if  he was white/Asian/Spanish etc... how would he have responded because it is to many factors to definitively say if he was white he would've did this or that.
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Basically, that's all I'm trying to say. I don't think people understand that the purpose of the American Legal System is to make the best decision with the actual facts provided and use a little amount of speculation necessary, if any.

I'm not dense nor naive, of course, it's ridiculous to think George Zimmerman or anyone else on this planet doesn't have their predispositions about black people, white people, fat people, short people, ugly people, pretty girls, juiced up guys, nba players, criminals etc.

But there is ZERO PROOF that he shot Trayvon Martin because he's black. I really wish people would let that go.

This is about whether Zimmerman was inside his rights to shoot Trayvon Martin. That's it. And if Trayvon did in fact go BACK toward Zimmerman and instigated the confrontation, then there's not much else to say.
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When was it confirmed as fact Trayvon went back towards Zimmerman and instigated the confrontation?

Seriously asking, I may have missed that.
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Elpablo21 said:
How did Trayvon's mom do up there?

missed it
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Kept her composure. She did well imo.
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Strong woman. I want to see some of the questions defense asked her. I know it had to be hard 
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Superb said:
Im not going to sit here and argue. When your in the courtroom if ever instead of saying judge call them magistrate and see what the judge will ay.

They are not the same no where near. a magistrate doesnt even have judical powers which means they cannot sentence anybody or make high power decision like a real judge..

Do your reading

https://www.google.com/search?q=mag...:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
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that would be depending on the level in which he is.... their are chief/executive/federal so on and so forth levels of magistrate.

SO yes depending on the person they may feel insulted. It is along the same lines as calling a person in the army a sgt. Some instances a person who is a ssg or even a 1st or sgt major may take offense because they see you basically calling them the lowest rank of being a sgt, yet some may say not a big deal. For example im a ssg, and ppl call me sgt etc...I take no offense, yet their are others that if you say that they like nah get it right im a ssg or a 1st sgt etc...

To make it clearer a magistrate is a judge who powers and jurisdiction is limited to a power appointed to them by a Chief Judge.

So no is he in the same class as iuno Sonia Sotomayor, But yall trying to paint his father as if he is some lowly legal aid assistant ah something, which he was not.

So whether or not his dad has influence and used it who knows, but he was in a position to meet influential ppl.
 
Elpablo21 said:
When was it confirmed as fact Trayvon went back towards Zimmerman and instigated the confrontation?
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I haven't been following as closely as others, but I believe that's part of the defense's current argument. Also, I believe the girl whom was on the phone with Martin confirmed him saying he had made it back to the house. By default, that means he left again.

For the longest, I was under the impression of "he never made it home"... but if that's not true, I don't have any sympathy for him other than the fact that no one deserves to die over anything so stupid.

I have walked BACK into confrontations in numerous settings; work, school, bars, etc... and everytime, I always have to remind myself that I walked away for a reason. Going back always, always results in trouble. And before people jump down my throat for my "don't have any sympathy" comment, like I said, I've done stupid **** like this before. (by stupid ****, I mean puffing my chest out to prove a point).

If Trayvon Martin made it back to his house, left, and ran into Zimmerman again, he was looking for Zimmerman. That's a more plausible assumption than:

"Punk" = "Black"
 
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Dathbgboy said:
The terms may be interchangeable but the powers vary. In PA, magistrates are elected officials but u don't have to have a JD to become one as opposed to being a judge.

But that's not to say he didn't have any pull. 5yrs is long enough to make friends that can pull some strings for you.

The prosecution's execution w/ this case is pathetic.
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exactly its such a general term to which has many levels of jurisdiction and power attached to each level. Cats in here alluding to magistrate, like its on par with being the court maintenance man, or the janitor. A magistrate even at the lower level has some weight and power. Maybe it is limited, at the very least at a civil case manner, but they do have some level of authority and preceding over cases.
 
Superb said:
uhm ok read this http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-magistrates-and-judges/

Unlike a judge, a magistrate has only limited law enforcement and administrative powers.

Summary:
1. Judges are credited to have more powers than a magistrate.

2. The magistrate is known to have powers more of an administrator, and most of them handle only minor offences.

3. As the less important cases are handled by the magistrates, the judges are free to focus on complex cases.

4. Unlike a judge, a magistrate has only limited law enforcement and administrative powers.

5. When talking about jurisdiction, the magistrate has only a limited jurisdiction when compared to a judge. Maybe the magistrate has only jurisdiction within a region, district, province, or county. The judges have a higher authority that may include the state or even an entire country.


OWNED
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Read what you wrote... THINK and ask yourself are the terms basically (and historically) interchangeable... Basically like a police officer and a sheriff... both cops. But its irrelevant anyway, I already stated I believe his position had no bearing on the current case
 
shoelyesses said:
that would be depending on the level in which he is.... their are chief/executive/federal so on and so forth levels of magistrate.

SO yes depending on the person they may feel insulted. It is along the same lines as calling a person in the army a sgt. Some instances a person who is a ssg or even a 1st or sgt major may take offense because they see you basically calling them the lowest rank of being a sgt, yet some may say not a big deal. For example im a ssg, and ppl call me sgt etc...I take no offense, yet their are others that if you say that they like nah get it right im a ssg or a 1st sgt etc...

To make it clearer a magistrate is a judge who powers and jurisdiction is limited to a power appointed to them by a Chief Judge.

So no is he in the same class as iuno Sonia Sotomayor, But yall trying to paint his father as if he is some lowly legal aid assistant ah something, which he was not.

So whether or not his dad has influence and used it who knows, but he was in a position to meet influential ppl.
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u do know right that his dad was a magistrate in a totally other state then florida right?
 
Dathbgboy said:
The terms may be interchangeable but the powers vary. In PA, magistrates are elected officials but u don't have to have a JD to become one as opposed to being a judge.

But that's not to say he didn't have any pull. 5yrs is long enough to make friends that can pull some strings for you.

The prosecution's execution w/ this case is pathetic.
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Thanks man for the response, I was speaking in generals, it is different in the state that his dad worked I see, but that isn't the norm.
 
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