R.I.P Trayvon

[elpablo21]

oh

yeah that not a conclusion....its a opinion.

I see you trying to assassinate me though.

No "assassination" attempts over here bruh

but dont act like your opinions arent jumping to conclusions

but from everything thats been presented....its pretty clear what happened

more conclusions...I mean opinions 

funny how this stand your ground law doesnt apply for TM in this situation..

 

[SORIANOTRON]

and whos trolling?

Im just bringing up logical valid points, Im here for the sport of discussion.

Stop trying to assassinate my opinion, and challenge it. If not, sit down and wait for someone to do it for you.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

funny how this stand your ground law doesnt apply for TM in this situation..

sure, please expand....

 

[SneakerProSr.]

How the hell can you initiate something when you were minding your damn business?

How about Treyvon feared for his life and attack a dude that was following him while he was alone and by himself.

creepy guy following you, you try to evade him. he doesnt stop...he approaches you and you proceed to smack fire out his ***....

thats another possibility....

That's absolutely a possibility

If someone is following me and I'm trying to get away and I can't I going to address the situation for he gets me.

Reverse this situation and tell me Trayvon wouldn't be doing 20 to life easy.

 

[elpablo21]

funny how this stand your ground law doesnt apply for TM in this situation..

sure, please expand....

 stand-your-ground law  states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense  when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat  first

Does this not apply to a TM running away from Zimmerman? How long must one retreat before the need to justify the right to defend themselves?

I dont see how it's not brought up that maybe the law applied to Trayvon first in this situation

regardless there's nothing that's pretty clear about this, just my opinion though

 

[SORIANOTRON]

That's absolutely a possibility

If someone is following me and I'm trying to get away and I can't I going to address the situation for he gets me.

Reverse this situation and tell me Trayvon wouldn't be doing 20 to life easy.

If trey understood stand your ground, he wouldn't be, he would been let off the hook after the initial review like gz was.

It wouldnt been until gz's parents reached out to the media and community leaders (which I would have too as a parent, nothing wrong with this) to see the case presented in court trial for 7 others to judge.

which brings us to where we are at now....and thus far gz story has been corroborated in a court of law.

And also remember just because its in a court of law, dont mean it aint a dirty game...

it aint about what you know, its about what you can prove....

the prosecution hasn't proven anything conflicting about the initial ruiling so far....

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Does this not apply to a TM running away from Zimmerman?How long must one retreat before the need to justify the right to defend themselves?

I dont see how it's not brought up that maybe the law applied to Trayvon first in this situation

regardless there's nothing that's pretty clear about this, just my opinion though

absolutely this whole thread is opinions nothing else.

I see your angle....

But by your understanding, trey should have just kept running away then. Why would he stop or let be stopped? HS athlete (football) getting chased down by 200lb real life hall monitor?

but what im saying is, chasing does not fall into the category of initialting physical confrontation. Someone swung, slapped, pushed or spit first....who was it?

and i believe being sat on during a ground and pound clearly demonstrates "without an obligation to retreat"

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Does this not apply to a TM running away from Zimmerman?How long must one retreat before the need to justify the right to defend themselves?

I dont see how it's not brought up that maybe the law applied to Trayvon first in this situation

regardless there's nothing that's pretty clear about this, just my opinion though

absolutely this whole thread is opinions nothing else.

I see your angle....

But by your understanding, trey should have just kept running away then. Why would he stop or let be stopped? HS athlete (football) getting chased down by 200lb real life hall monitor?

but what im saying is, chasing does not fall into the category of initialting physical confrontation. Someone swung, slapped, pushed or spit first....who was it?

and i believe being sat on during a ground and pound clearly demonstrates "without an obligation to retreat"

Dude just stop

"Chasing doesn't fall into the category intiatiing physical confrontation"

In history of human beings when has someone been chased NOT to initiate a physical confrontation?

 

[elpablo21]

Does this not apply to a TM running away from Zimmerman?How long must one retreat before the need to justify the right to defend themselves?

I dont see how it's not brought up that maybe the law applied to Trayvon first in this situation

regardless there's nothing that's pretty clear about this, just my opinion though

absolutely this whole thread is opinions nothing else.

I see your angle....

But by your understanding, trey should have just kept running away then. Why would he stop or let be stopped? HS athlete (football) getting chased down by 200lb real life hall monitor?

but what im saying is, chasing does not fall into the category of initialting physical confrontation. Someone swung, slapped, pushed or spit first....who was it?

and i believe being sat on during a ground and pound clearly demonstrates "without an obligation to retreat"

Nothing in the law specifies that you need to be physically attacked first to feel the threat of bodily harm...the law is so vague in certain instances if I feel like a grown *** man is chasing me down, I may run initially..but if I cant shake him, what am I supposed to do? I'm going to find another option to protect myself, that has nothing to do with pride and ego imo..those are your instincts

That law doesnt protect someone like Trayvon in situations like this, which is sad

from what I've seen so far...GZ was the initiator...his actions escalated the situation initially before whoever threw what punch first, not everyone is going to wait to get smashed in the face to "justify" defending themselves

but I also agree, the prosecution havent done anything to win this case to this point at all, he's not getting convicted imo..those are the rules of the game

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Dude just stop

"Chasing doesn't fall into the category intiatiing physical confrontation"

In history of human beings when has someone been chased NOT to initiate a physical confrontation?

too many to list. Need better rebuttals than "in the history of human beings"

I could probably come up with dozens, give me a research day and Ill have dozens if not hundreds.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Nothing in the law specifies that you need to be physically attacked first to feel the threat of bodily harm...the law is so vague in certain instances if I feel like a grown *** man is chasing me down, I may run initially..but if I cant shake him, what am I supposed to do? I'm going to find another option to protect myself, that has nothing to do with pride and ego imo..those are your instincts

That law doesnt protect someone like Trayvon in situations like this, which is sad

from what I've seen so far...GZ was the initiator...his actions escalated the situation initially before whoever threw what punch first, not everyone is going to wait to get smashed in the face to "justify" defending themselves


but I also agree, the prosecution havent done anything to win this case to this point at all, he's not getting convicted imo..those are the rules of the game

yeah i too agree the law is flawed as hell...

and hopefully this trial prompts changes or revisions to be made to it, but this specific trial isn't about revising the law...its judging if gz followed the law as it was written.

Its tuff man, you feel for treyvon and his fam...and you dont really sympathize for gz at all....but man dude is a law/wannabe cop geek...he appeared to follow that law to a T.

I can just see it from treys perspective the most....

thats why its crazy, there probably no way in hell he thought ol boy was strapped and ready to kill given the right set of circumstances.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Dude just stop

"Chasing doesn't fall into the category intiatiing physical confrontation"

In history of human beings when has someone been chased NOT to initiate a physical confrontation?

too many to list. Need better rebuttals than "in the history of human beings"

I could probably come up with dozens, give me a research day and Ill have dozens if not hundreds.

I'm not here to debate but you know good and hell well if a stranger is chasing another human being and it isn't within the context of a sporting event or a game of tag the assumption is to initiate physical confrontation.

I want you to go randomly chase strangers that are alone and see their reaction.

That **** will get you shot in Texas but all Trayvon had was his fist.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

I'm not here to debate but you know good and hell well if a stranger is chasing another human being and it isn't within the context of a sporting event or a game of tag the assumption is to initiate physical confrontation.

I want you to go randomly chase strangers that are alone and see their reaction.

That **** will get you shot in Texas but all Trayvon had was his fist.

Ok, I can agree with your first statement, thats somewhat just. No rebuttle from me there, generally speaking this is true.

Now lets look into this specific case...

A chase has not even been established by the prosecution yet....we know he was being followed, we dont know about a chase.

A chase and being followed are 2 different things as noted in my previous post.

Let me ask you a hypothetical now...

If you had a gun, were following a shady type in your hood that you just called the boys on....would you actively escalate the situation knowing you have upper hand and cops are already en route?

You dont have to literally respond, but let the scenario resinate.

good convo boys, stay golden.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I'm not here to debate but you know good and hell well if a stranger is chasing another human being and it isn't within the context of a sporting event or a game of tag the assumption is to initiate physical confrontation.

I want you to go randomly chase strangers that are alone and see their reaction.

That **** will get you shot in Texas but all Trayvon had was his fist.

Ok, I can agree with your first statement, thats somewhat just. No rebuttle from me there, generally speaking this is true.

Now lets look into this specific case...

A chase has not even been established by the prosecution yet....we know he was being followed, we dont know about a chase.

A chase and being followed are 2 different things as noted in my previous post.

Let me ask you a hypothetical now...

If you had a gun, were following a shady type in your hood that you just called the boys on....would you actively escalate the situation knowing you have upper hand and cops are already en route?

You dont have to literally respond, but let the scenario resinate.

good convo boys, stay golden.

BRB I'm go follow and chase some 16 year old girls around my apartment complex.

 

[shoefreakbaby]

"Rebuttal"

You arent a lawyer, none of us are and none of us said we were.
You dont even know the basic information of this trial.





oh yeah It TRAYvon, not trey

 

[elpablo21]

Nothing in the law specifies that you need to be physically attacked first to feel the threat of bodily harm...the law is so vague in certain instances if I feel like a grown *** man is chasing me down, I may run initially..but if I cant shake him, what am I supposed to do? I'm going to find another option to protect myself, that has nothing to do with pride and ego imo..those are your instincts

That law doesnt protect someone like Trayvon in situations like this, which is sad

from what I've seen so far...GZ was the initiator...his actions escalated the situation initially before whoever threw what punch first, not everyone is going to wait to get smashed in the face to "justify" defending themselves


but I also agree, the prosecution havent done anything to win this case to this point at all, he's not getting convicted imo..those are the rules of the game

yeah i too agree the law is flawed as hell...

and hopefully this trial prompts changes or revisions to be made to it, but this specific trial isn't about revising the law...its judging if gz followed the law as it was written.

Its tuff man, you feel for treyvon and his fam...and you dont really sympathize for gz at all....but man dude is a law/wannabe cop geek...he appeared to follow that law to a T.

I can just see it from treys perspective the most....

thats why its crazy, there probably no way in hell he thought ol boy was strapped and ready to kill given the right set of circumstances.

I dont sympathize with stupidity like that, I also dont want someone to go to jail who doesnt deserve it,.. My perspective points in the opposite direction of GZ's, if im wrong I hope as the trial goes on things get more clear (which i doubt)

you're right he didnt break any laws...he didnt also show more restraint like he should have

like Trayvon could have sucked up his pride and kept running away some may say

GZ could have sucked up his pride and whatever random insecurities he has about himself and called the cops, instead of feeling like these punks always get away and stepping out of his lane to play Columbo

Before he even followed TM what immediate threat to his community caused him to pursue him? Its just hard for me to follow his logic

he followed a law to a T, which we both agree is flawed...to me its more like he just got saved by open holes left by a flawed rule

 

[lyonbc1]

So some of y'all are saying that following doesn't equate to inititiating a potential physical confrontation now?!

If a woman is being followed by some random dude, then she hits him with pepper spray and in the mouth with her purse and a physical struggle then ensues....the person following has the right to shoot and kill that woman because TECHNICALLY she initiated the physical contact? Cannot be serious

By following someone you become the aggressor and not the one who is in fear, if GZ were really in fear he wouldn't have gotten out of his car to "travel in the same direction as TM but not follow him as GZ stated himself" or was it to check the sign so he could know what block he was on in his neighborhood he lived in for 3 years with a grand total of 3 friggin streets? Ohhh that's right he lied about his pursuit to different officers bc he couldn't keep his story in check.

 

[kix4kix]

case is pretty much open and shut im my eyes


They got it right the first time when they released him....

family pulled the race card, called up Jessie Jackson demanded a trial...... the trial so far is confirming the original judgment. No new evidence, no crazy revelations, no smoking gun.

Cant blame Treyvons parents for wanting a thorough trial to be sure.

Even though he was told not to pursue the trey, its not against the law to follow someone.....

the trial comes down to who physically touched who first.....so far everything is supporting GZ.

And i have no stance on this case, just watching from an unbiased pov....

80% of the ppl in this thread already convinced GZ was guilty....

I took the liberty of underlining the opinion in your paragraph. It just so happens that the underlined section also happens to be ********. Do you get your coverage for the case directly from Ann Coulter's website?

 

[kix4kix]

yeah i too agree the law is flawed as hell...

and hopefully this trial prompts changes or revisions to be made to it, but this specific trial isn't about revising the law...its judging if gz followed the law as it was written.

Its tuff man, you feel for treyvon and his fam...and you dont really sympathize for gz at all....but man dude is a law/wannabe cop geek...he appeared to follow that law to a T.

I can just see it from treys perspective the most....

thats why its crazy, there probably no way in hell he thought ol boy was strapped and ready to kill given the right set of circumstances.

I'm sorry, but you're both wrong. The law DOES protect you in regard to self defense, and is anything but vague. The crux of it lies within proving that Zimmerman was in eminent danger, which at this point seems to be laughable.

 

[kix4kix]

LOL u telling me he was running away from GZ?

not jumping to any conclusions, but trey dont seem like the cat to run away from a guy like GZ...i know I wouldn't have, I woulda approached the dood and checked him.

Dont get me twisted, I relate to treyvon, i grew up probably not too far off the wat he did, im apart of the same culture he is...

dont know if anyone on this board truely relates and sympathizes for GZ...but man, you cant be so quick to judge people.

Quick to judge? lmao. This happened over a year ago, just because you just peeping the facts, doesn't change them. Him running from him or not has literally 0 to do with this case, so why are you so obsessed with it?

 

[jay6jay]

Keep trollin trollin trollin

 

[sooperhooper]

I'll catch Zimmerman's testimony if he gives one. Other than that, I'm done with this case until the verdict and probably done with this thread. Same arguments going around in circles. I guess mr. West is a NTer.

 

[furiousstylezz]

oh yeah It TRAYvon, not trey

 

[011781]

so glad i missed all the non-sense that occurred after 5pm....

 

[ohmygosher]

A lot of you guys are too emotionally attached to this trial. Especially shoefreakbaby. I hope none of you do anything stupid if GZ walks.