Ray Donovan; new series on showtime

This terrible wife. I want her dead now. It's just too much for me with ppl that react like that. Unbearable. Kinda want to see this dude Tolliver die now too

Anyway, this dude Kookie is one of them life threatening menaces. Crazy how she embraced Marvin's killer out of straight fear. I'm waiting to see how Ray kills him or has the FBI do it. Maybe the Boston reporter gets involved

Poor Bunch That struggle aint no joke but he really did throw that kid off him Can't even fathom that pain and struggle where you're questioning yourself around children. Must be hard to find the words cuz you know the mom leaves that convo thihking he has urges to bang kids. That whole recovery of a rape/molestation victim is serious and well portrayed on this show. You got Ray faking it until he makes it with a family, supprerssing his pain and issues anyway he can. You can see between this and his father how he such control issues. Then you got Bunch going through the ultimate struggle, questioning whether he's a pedophile too, identifying as some asexual talking about he's a sexual anorexic

@ Mickey. I always wondered why I don't hear about dispensaries getting robbed more. Knew it was never really gonna work with Claudette, hope it's done for good.

I need Bunchy to flourish man.

 

@ him flinging that kid though.

i just don't understand why he went in there... how could a mother just let a guy go in the bathroom to get their kid
god i hate Abby... she should know how things are like... she's from chicago...
i just checked the Ray Donovan imdb page and it's weird. they say that conor was in 22 eps while the character the show is named of is in only 21 eps
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2249007/fullcredits/

God, Abby is so damn annoying b. She def. has a legit reason to be pissed but she is just too much with her stupid voice, accent, and constant nagging.

spidermachine916 You mean Boston, right?

bunch aint do himself any favors, just made himself look a like a pedo and didnt get across the fact that he himself was molested too

I hope that **** don't push Bunchy off the deep end.....

Yeah. That whole thing w/ bunch annoyed me in the show. Like you couldn't tell her right then and there what happened. He had to turn creepy and cryptic.

Also, bunch has been around Rays kids and never acted weird. Granted they are family and I'm sure he hasn't been put in a situation like that.

And Abby's has been terrible.

WavyCrocket said:

That's the nature of his Job though. A drug dealer can be a decent guy. Ray's family seems rather unappreciative to me. This guy goes out his way to try to be there for his family.

Dudes not perfect, but his family expects him to be, and blames him for every single thing.

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lolwut

and who was the guy in jail that the reporter talked to?

and what reason does he have to care that she's "being played"?

a couple porn mags?

edit: and how does bridgette being there convince ezra just like that to give up marvin and rekon rights?

Cronicmolemolereturns said:

lolwut

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You don't know any drug dealers that are decent people?

Hand2HandKing said:

 
bunch aint do himself any favors, just made himself look a like a pedo and didnt get across the fact that he himself was molested too

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Agreed.

He might have still been messed up about what happened at the party and that dude thinking he was gay.

edit: and how does bridgette being there convince ezra just like that to give up marvin and rekon rights?

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Maybe despite his craziness, he legitimately cares about Raymond and his family?

I mean it's prob. a hard thing to talk about and Bunch is already such a damaged dude... he can barely talk to the girl normally rather than explain to her what happened to him. I'm sure they'll revisit the situation though.

^You're right.

And him talking about wanting to do things even though he has a good heart is a perfect illustration of that.

Bunchy needs an advocate to do the talking for him, someone like Paul Heyman.

Paul would have that dude conquering his demons and yambs in no time.

Hand2HandKing said:

and who was the guy in jail that the reporter talked to?

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One of Sully's guys that did dirt with him.

and what reason does he have to care that she's "being played"?

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He doesn't care. She's just letting her know cuz what she reported is a lie and she came to him.

a couple porn mags?

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A man takes what he gets while in prison.

edit: and how does bridgette being there convince ezra just like that to give up marvin and rekon rights?

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Cuz Bridgette's life is in danger? What's hard to get? Ezra was mad at Ray cuz he was a loose cannon of late doing things like he don't work for somebody. Trying to tell Ezra how it's gonna be so he thought the situation was solely about money and a murderer trying to get his way. Once he knew Bridgette was involved he knew it was serious on a personal level.

I'm sorry bruh, but when Bunch threw ol' boy across the bathroom, had me like

Cels The YoungGod said:

Yo Abby Donovan such a well written character cause she infuriates tf outta me

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There's no way on earth I could stick with a woman like that.

Most importantly why she frustrates me is that she knew he was running the streets from when he was a kid. She knew that he wasn't a straight arrow 9-5 cubicle warrior. Yet she still throws it in his face constantly, doing reckless self-destructive stuff not even thinking. Smashing that cop, is trying to bring heat close to Ray and his business, not thinking for even a split second what happens if Ray gets jammed up. That nice life she's living is over in a heartbeat, kids going from private school to public, her going from retired in her twenties to dusting off her resume

I'm on Abby's side when Ray does her dirty, but the @#$@ she does in CRUCIAL situations can't be defended at all. Ray tells her to not let Mick back into the family cause of all the @#$@ he will bring, and what does she do? The exact opposite. Ray tells her to keep Bridgette from talking cause of how dangerous Cookie Brown is, and what does she try to do? The exact opposite. Man...You know how experienced he is with this because of what he does for a living, you really think he would warn you about all this just for the hell of it?

And blaming Ray for placing Bridgette in danger, when Ray has spent the last 2 seasons telling her to stay away from Marvin and his crew and trying to prevent this exact situation from happening...is it his fault that his daughter is the typical stubborn teenager who won't listen?

Ray's crime is that he's distant and cheats on his wife, which is definitely a bad thing, but accusing him of putting the family in danger is 1000% bull @#$@ when that's what he's been trying to do the entire show (except his wife and daughter refuse to listen)

Ray is the only reason Marvin was living in their neighborhood.

If he didn't work for Recon Marvin or Cookie wouldn't have been in the picture.

Eh, Ray works for Ezra, Rekon was one of their artists/clients. Ray at some point moved the family to Calabasas, pretty close to where Rekon lived. Then the rest of the series of events went down.

There's really no way around this unless Ray moved sooner or he never worked for Ezra.

Yeah Ray always listens to Ezra or the clients.

Hand2HandKing said:

when bunchy threw the kid 

mickey gettin that kiss on the cheek after she finished domin up the guard 

abby callin the cop over :x

bridget going back and forth just to lie anyway >:   

  cookie swag huggin bridgette

yo is it just me or did ray want the d at the end?

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This part confused the hell out of me. He was bold to go to her crib not knowing if dude was home or not, but that invite just seemed weird especially since dude looks like he would get down with butt sex.

Rico x Hood said:

Man I wash my hands of Abby. I'm done with her. I've tried to see things from her side all season but she crossed the line tonight. Inviting that mark *** buster to Ray's house to talk to Ray's child?!?! So damn disrespectful. An then to act all indignant about it in the police station. Disgusting.

Am I the only one that thinks Ray came off like a suckered for letting Cookie hug Bridget? I would have snatched her away and warned him to never touch my child. Kind of like how he did to Tolliver's ***** ***.

Question, why won't Ray and Avi just merk Cookie and be done with it all? That would solve everyone's problem.

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Abby is a ****, I defended her cheating because of all the abuse and suffering, but at the end of the day none of Ray's girls ever been their crib or been around the kids. She violated and she acting brand new asking the guy if he is all in . Very stupid of her to that, and then to blame Ray for the problem. She doesn't mind what he does when it suits her needs.

Executive76 said:

That would be stupid actually... as far as Cookie is concerned he didn't do anything to Bridget so going off would definitely raise Cookie's suspicion


They do a lot of dirt but they aren't murders. As you can see killing people brings police attention which isn't good for business. I'm thinking Cookie killed Marvin basically as a alibi...so he's crazy and clever. Ray and Co. aren't build for that.




Makes sense as why you don't see how Ray's stupidity is at the root most issues on this show...directly or indirectly. By not answering that phone call from Abby to Bridget he set off the chain of events that led to the cop being called/coming to the house. If he answered he could have calmed her down.







And not burning that jacket was REALLY stupid.

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It looks like Cookie killed them 1) for disrespecting him by not agreeing to his terms and 2) because he will make more money off of them being dead since he is the new owner of both Rekon and Marvin's catalogues. Yes Ray should have called Abby once he had Bridget and made up an excuse, but it doesn't give Abby the right to violate the way she did. Ray told her Bridget was safe and she was sleeping, her selfish attitude about wanting her home and Ray saying let her rest was what caused her to call the cop. She acting like Ray kidnapped the girl, telling the guy to go get her

Executive76 said:

Not sure...I think the kid trying to wrap his legs around him creeped him out.


Ray went over there to smash because that's how he copes that fell through because her bf was there...
That's why he was like :\ and went in. Wonder how long it will take dude to find out Ray was molested...
Probably

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I think Bunchies reluctance to be around the kid was a normal reaction that {I hope} most men would have. I wouldn't feel comfortable handle someones naked child that wasn't a relation. When the kid wrapped his legs around Bunch I don't know if he got excited, or if he had some kind of flashback to his molestation. Part of me doesn't think he was turned on, I just think it triggered something from his past. In every other scene Bunch is cool and social not weird at all with the kid. If he was a pedo he would have been aroused during those other encounters.

Even when he took the viagra, and lil man came home early. When he put his head on Bunchie's lap, Bunch tried his best to keep the kid away from his erection. He def not pedo, that situation just scared him

WavyCrocket said:

Yeah. That whole thing w/ bunch annoyed me in the show. Like you couldn't tell her right then and there what happened. He had to turn creepy and cryptic.

Also, bunch has been around Rays kids and never acted weird. Granted they are family and I'm sure he hasn't been put in a situation like that.

And Abby's has been terrible.

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Bunch can't drop that on her so soon, so no way that is happening. Bunch has a lot of issues, and it looks like that was just a set back for him.

SFC415 said:

I'm on Abby's side when Ray does her dirty, but the @#$@ she does in CRUCIAL situations can't be defended at all. Ray tells her to not let Mick back into the family cause of all the @#$@ he will bring, and what does she do? The exact opposite. Ray tells her to keep Bridgette from talking cause of how dangerous Cookie Brown is, and what does she try to do? The exact opposite. Man...You know how experienced he is with this because of what he does for a living, you really think he would warn you about all this just for the hell of it?

And blaming Ray for placing Bridgette in danger, when Ray has spent the last 2 seasons telling her to stay away from Marvin and his crew and trying to prevent this exact situation from happening...is it his fault that his daughter is the typical stubborn teenager who won't listen?

Ray's crime is that he's distant and cheats on his wife, which is definitely a bad thing, but accusing him of putting the family in danger is 1000% bull @#$@ when that's what he's been trying to do the entire show (except his wife and daughter refuse to listen)

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Completely agree with you man. Since s1 Ray has been telling Bridget to stay away from the kid he is no good. NOt because he is black but because he knows their history. If she would have listened they wouldn't be in that mess. Same for Abby, Ray told her to stay away from Micky, he only brings trouble. What does she do? She has been sneaking behind his back writing him letters in prison, giving the man their address . She don't listen and then wants to point the finger at Ray. The cop talking about Ray turned her into a liar, like that is such a big deal. Rather be alive and a liar, than dead an honest. As a cop he should have kept it 100 with Abby and said a person like that is dangerous and testifying against him isn't Bridget's best interest.

why did bridget all of a sudden decide to lie in front of the detective when all the time b4 shes like i have to tell the truth?

Hand2HandKing said:

why did bridget all of a sudden decide to lie in front of the detective when all the time b4 shes like i have to tell the truth?

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I think she finally decided to smarten up and realizes her father knows more about this world than the mother.