New Report - Aaron Hernandez Molested as a Child - p. 167

:wow: if he walks....oh boy.

The fact that no murder weapon has been found is huge (obviously).

However, Lloyd might not be the case....if they're gonna get him, it's gonna be on the two cape verdian guys that were murdered outside of the club.
 
JJs07 said:
:wow: if he walks....oh boy.

The fact that no murder weapon has been found is huge (obviously).

However, Lloyd might not be the case....if they're gonna get him, it's gonna be on the two cape verdian guys that were murdered outside of the club.
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No way the state goes 0/2.
 
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Seymore CAKE said:
 
JJs07 said:
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if he walks....oh boy.

The fact that no murder weapon has been found is huge (obviously).

However, Lloyd might not be the case....if they're gonna get him, it's gonna be on the two cape verdian guys that were murdered outside of the club.
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No way the state goes 0/2.
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I dont see it either

Still some loose ends in the other case but they have alot more going for them..including the murder weapon (although not possessed by Chico)
 
Seymore CAKE said:
JJs07 said:
:wow: if he walks....oh boy.

The fact that no murder weapon has been found is huge (obviously).

However, Lloyd might not be the case....if they're gonna get him, it's gonna be on the two cape verdian guys that were murdered outside of the club.
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No way the state goes 0/2.
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yea...that's what I'm thinking.

Might bat .000 in the Lloyd case, but I think they got their man for the other two murders.
 
No way he walks away unscathed. At the very least I see him doing 20, prob 12-14 with good behavior.

Knowing Chico though he finna catch them in-house cases after he kills/maims a few inmates.
 
Originally Posted by ScarsOrScabs  

Seems like an effort to show that he wasn't in a good state mentally and/or (I've used a lot of ands + ors in this post) he was under the influence/battling drug addiction at the time.  Seems to potentially indicate an admittance of involvement at the very least thought that's purely speculative.
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Very low probative value.
 
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[h1]Key Hernandez witness failed polygraph test regarding shooting[/h1]
Posted by Mike Florio on November 12, 2014, 1:15 PM EST

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The Odin Lloyd murder trial commences in January.  A recent report suggests that the man once believed to be the prosecution’s key witness against former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez failed a lie-detector test regarding the question of whether the witness saw Hernandez shoot Lloyd.

Via WVDH.com, Carlos Ortiz showed deceptionwhen denying that he observed the June 2013 shooting in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home.

“I didn’t see what happened,” Ortiz said in the transcript of the polygraph test, after the administrator told Ortiz was lying when he claimed not to see the shooting.  “I mean, I seen when everybody got out you know.  I was opening the door and that’s when I heard the gunshot.”

The transcript was released in connection with an effort to charge Hernandez’s cousin, Tanya Singleton, with being an accessory to the murder.  Singleton is served two years of probation after pleading guilty to contempt of court charges arising from her refusal to testify against Hernandez at a grand jury.  She suffers from cancer, and it’s possible that prosecutors have decided to charge her with a more serious crime to persuade Hernandez to strike a plea deal.

Hernandez also is accused of killing two men in July 2012.  He has been held without bail for more than 15 months.

Early on, it appeared that Ortiz would be the key witness against Hernandez.  Concerns regarding drug use and other reasons for unreliability resulted in Ortiz’s relevance to the prosecution of Hernandez fading.  It’s unclear why he’s regarded as a reliable witness in the case against Singleton.
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and the hits keep on coming for the State
 
Ortiz needs to fire his lawyer. Why would they let him take a polygraph test? Most judges don't even allow polygraph results in court and if this judge does, it makes him look like a liar and gives the other guys' lawyers a target to pin everything on.
 
He'll probably still catch major time but aaron still catching breaks that gives him some glimpse of hope
 
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