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@ putting this no snitching thing on rap culture....it's much older than that buddy...mafia fool and I don't think mafia folks resemble rappers....kidNew Report - Aaron Hernandez Molested as a Child - p. 167
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@ putting this no snitching thing on rap culture....it's much older than that buddy...mafia fool and I don't think mafia folks resemble rappers....kid
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On the last part I never said that. I said its just a low scumbag move in Ortiz's part to snitch aaron Hernandez and the other dude out if he was just as involved in planning and setting the hit up. He may have not pulled the trigger but if he was involved in planning and setting everything up then he has involvement in it and is only talking for personal gain, not because he wants to see Lloyd's family get justice. If he was in the car, had no clue what was going to go down and was completely shocked when Lloyd got shot then I can't blame him for looking out for himself if he didn't have or didn't want any involvement in it and was a victim of being guilty by association from being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Aside from that like I said earlier, dude might have to enter the witness protection program along with his family which is selfish to them because they have to be inconvienced because he's to selfish to accept accountability for his actions if he indeed did have involvement in setting this whole hit up.
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If you were doing dirt with some serious criminals who were about that life and had no problem killing people to keep them quiet and you choose to dirt with them on your own terms, no one forced you to commit crimes, you would rat them out????
Knowing these people are crazy and have no problem going after loved ones of yours if they can't get to you. Think mafia, cartel, some drug ring that is about that life. You would really rat them out knowing what their capable of? Especially when you choose to involve yourself in that life on your own terms.
Bottom line to me is this, don't do the crime in the first place if you can't handle the time.
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Tell on the guy who did it or stay in jail for the rest of your life.......,, hmmmmm....... But I'll be cool in jail..... 
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Tell on the guy who did it or stay in jail for the rest of your life.......,, hmmmmm....... But I'll be cool in jail.....
You make it sound like in these cases that its just as simple as work a deal with a prosecutors, name some names then return back to a normal life with nothing to worry about.
If he genuinely had no knowledge of or involvement in the shooting I could see him talking and going into witness protection and rationalize it. However, if he had nothing to do with it why did he flee to South Florida.
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You make it sound like a care if one of these guys go to jail for life or not. I'm just talking about the whole premiss of "snitching" that people have set due to rap music
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So is Joseph D. Pistone is snitch? Johnny Depp played him in Donnie Brasco.
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What does rap music have to do with it?
if some lady on the street gets robbed and a person calls the cops and the robber gets busted that's not snitching, that's being a good citizen. Calling that snitching is that 2005 "stop snitching" ignorant rap movement.
The Carlos Ortiz situation is different, he did dirt, most likely knowingly had involvement in everything, tried to flee and now wants to talk because he's not built to do the time. If he had involvement in Lloyd's murder in any way and is ratting hernandez and the other guy out to get less time, that's being a snitch no matter how you cut it. Like I said earlier, if proven guilty, all 3 should do serious time and deserve it.
However the fact that the prosecutors are even considering working a deal with him makes me wonder behind the scenes how confident they are about getting a conviction. Everything we've seen that incriminates hernandez. (Destroying the phone, security footage etc) makes it seem like a for sure comviction regardless of what Ortiz says but the fact they might work a deal with him makes me think.
if some lady on the street gets robbed and a person calls the cops and the robber gets busted that's not snitching, that's being a good citizen. Calling that snitching is that 2005 "stop snitching" ignorant rap movement.
The Carlos Ortiz situation is different, he did dirt, most likely knowingly had involvement in everything, tried to flee and now wants to talk because he's not built to do the time. If he had involvement in Lloyd's murder in any way and is ratting hernandez and the other guy out to get less time, that's being a snitch no matter how you cut it. Like I said earlier, if proven guilty, all 3 should do serious time and deserve it.
However the fact that the prosecutors are even considering working a deal with him makes me wonder behind the scenes how confident they are about getting a conviction. Everything we've seen that incriminates hernandez. (Destroying the phone, security footage etc) makes it seem like a for sure comviction regardless of what Ortiz says but the fact they might work a deal with him makes me think.
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All I'm saying is rap/hiphop still promotes the stop snitching movement. I'm sure there many cases still open because people don't want to talk to the cops. They don't want to be labeled a "snitch".
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Some cases, yes I would agree with you on that, but I think alot of them also are due to fear of repercussions/retaliation if they talk. Alot of people don't trust law enforcement (that's a whole other topic in its own right) but I see where your coming from, That whole stop snitching movement was ******ed.
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he was a cop though
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Dudes get stop snitching messed up. The premise isnt never snitch. If you are not involved in the activity (whether murder, drugs, whatever) and you have information then by all means tell the cops anything you can especially if it is happening in your neighborhood to keep your family and the people you know safe from that stuff.
But if you are involved in said drug deals/murders then you look like a straight ***** if the second someone puts a badge infront of you, you start singing like Adele. Say its stupid if you want. But if you are gonna be ratting out your boys for a lesser sentence the second some **** goes down you shouldnt have been in that **** in the first place.
And dont get me ****** up. I dont condone what happened that night. But if you was in that car and knew what was going down. Then you a straight ***** if you start giving up any information you have to cop a plea.
He was planted there for the sole purpose of gathering information for the police/FBI
But if you are involved in said drug deals/murders then you look like a straight ***** if the second someone puts a badge infront of you, you start singing like Adele. Say its stupid if you want. But if you are gonna be ratting out your boys for a lesser sentence the second some **** goes down you shouldnt have been in that **** in the first place.
And dont get me ****** up. I dont condone what happened that night. But if you was in that car and knew what was going down. Then you a straight ***** if you start giving up any information you have to cop a plea.
AKA a Narc
He was planted there for the sole purpose of gathering information for the police/FBI
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Exactly! So he was doing his job. So if i saw a murder occur, is it my job to go to the police? If i talk to the cops and help them out I'm a law abiding citizen but i'll be also known as a snitch, specially if i live in the HOOD. If the same thing were to happen in the suburbs, I'm a damn hero.
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In your example, you're not also knowingly doing dirt to benefit yourself. Then when you get caught you rat out everyone you know. look at my last post if you cant understand what "Stop Snitchin" actually means. It doesnt mean never talk to the police. But if you're out there doing illegal **** then when you get caught you give up everyone and their mother just so you dont get in trouble then you're a snitch. Bottom line
Whether you are in the "Hood" or the Suburbs people not gonna **** with you no more if you be with us when **** is going good. And then when it hits the fan you give up all your boys.
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No its not ok if you helped him plan to kill Sally. Why cant you get that if you are doing the dirt too then its frowned upon to snitch when you are the one that gets caught. I went to a HS that had both sides of town. The rich kids on the other side of town all had the same rules we had on our side of town in regards to snitching.
The kids on the other side would do coke and **** all the time. One time a kid got bagged by his parents and gave up all his boys because thats who got it for him. Needless to say no1 ****** with him after that and he had to make all new friends because his old friends labeled him a snitch and he couldnt be trusted. It isnt just a "hood" thing.
Hell, if you were a "tattle-tale' in kindergarden no1 wanted to be your friend because you couldnt keep your mouth shut.
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And please, no1 get it twisted and think that I am condoning murder or anything like that. But if you were prospering with the team while things were going good. You dont abandon ship when **** gets rough. You go down with the ship.
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Thought it was an update...... Y'all condoning snitching
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With all the stupidity around this murder, I don't believe Hernandez and his boys are dumb enough to dump the murder weapon right around the corner form ESPN HQ.
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With all the stupidity around this murder, I don't believe Hernandez and his boys are dumb enough to dump the murder weapon right around the corner form ESPN HQ.
You are giving them too much credit. Who murders someone and leaves the body less than a mile from the crib?
I put nothing past these idiots. I'm just shocked at the fact Hernandez had the mental capacity to learn a playbook.
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Does anything else need to be said ? This about sums up the snitching/no snitching argument. By all means report suspicious behavior and criminal activity in your neighborhood. But if you were down to ride, then ride that **** out.
That being said, Hernandez is toast . He was going down either way
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You are giving them too much credit. Who murders someone and leaves the body less than a mile from the crib?
I been thinking about this too
The Pats supposed to have this intricate playbook, yet this caveman *** dude Hernandez obviously had a pretty good grasp of it. "Football IQ" is real i suppose.
Meanwhile, my man Tebow can hardly read
They gonna give him his own special playbook. Only to be used in a 28+ point lead.
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While I think some things were done very sloppy in regards to how things went down that night. He seems to cover his tracks fairly well afterwards if he really was involved in all this other stuff coming out. Im still a firm believer that there is nothing in that pond and the gun is long gone by now because of his boy being in FL and not being brought in for a whole 10 days after the murder.
Cops/Prosecution probably are telling Ortiz all this talking isnt gonna get him a great plea unless he can get them the murder weapon. And hes giving them any place he can think of that the gun could be.
Cops/Prosecution probably are telling Ortiz all this talking isnt gonna get him a great plea unless he can get them the murder weapon. And hes giving them any place he can think of that the gun could be.
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This dude said he is not about that life then goes on n says if he was he would just do the time n be quiet, smh ok buddy!
You sound like you have never been to jail let alone been convicted of a misdemeanor but you know for sure you would be willing to take 10/15 years straight jail and be quiet.
Lol as soon as they offer you a new identity and residence in the Cayman Islands you would be singing like carl Thomas too! #Emotional
You sound like you have never been to jail let alone been convicted of a misdemeanor but you know for sure you would be willing to take 10/15 years straight jail and be quiet.
Lol as soon as they offer you a new identity and residence in the Cayman Islands you would be singing like carl Thomas too! #Emotional
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Thats the thing though I dont think Ortiz is going to get a new identity and a spot in the Cayman islands
Cops are allowed to lie to you in the interrogation room. They might be telling Ortiz he'll be straight if he talks. Then they gonna kick him to the curb and let him fend for himself. He might be better off in prison where he has roof over his head and food in his mouth. By all accounts, Ortiz is a street bum who shacks up in people's houses from his old neighborhood. Im not sure he'll be welcomed back
Cops are allowed to lie to you in the interrogation room. They might be telling Ortiz he'll be straight if he talks. Then they gonna kick him to the curb and let him fend for himself. He might be better off in prison where he has roof over his head and food in his mouth. By all accounts, Ortiz is a street bum who shacks up in people's houses from his old neighborhood. Im not sure he'll be welcomed back
