Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

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Black Migo said:
WavyCrocket said:
Tell me how Blake averaged more points before CP3 for there? Lemme guess, Eric Gordon was setting him up for 22 a night lmao. Be objective buddy
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Putting up 22 a night on a mediocre team is an accomplishment, damn do you just look at stats or look at the guys skill set? And top 5 pf? K love,duncan, pau, kg, zbo, aldridge,AD,lee>>>> blake
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what in the **** does a skill set even mean if it doesn't directly translate to production?

yes. every single one of those guys has a better basketball skillset than blake. but did any of them produce at a higher level than he did? NO.
 
do work son said:
what in the **** does a skill set even mean if it doesn't directly translate to production?

yes. every single one of those guys has a better basketball skillset than blake. but did any of them produce at a higher level than he did? NO.
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I dont think any of them have the peyton manning of basketball on their team
 
Black Migo said:
Putting up 22 a night on a mediocre team is an accomplishment, damn do you just look at stats or look at the guys skill set? And top 5 pf? K love,duncan, pau, kg, zbo, aldridge,AD,lee>>>> blake
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I'll give you Duncan, maybe K love. You do realize that ALL those guys exception of duncan and KG put up great stats on mediocre teams. Aldrige cant even average a double double and lead his team to the playoffs. Zbo is inefficent and does not play D. KG plays one side of the ball now, and hits a 15 footer, Pau reverted back to being soft, and Lee is worse than blake on D and they put up similar #'s.

You keep talking skillset, give me production. I'd take that over the moves looking pretty. idc. 
 
Black Migo said:
do work son said:
what in the **** does a skill set even mean if it doesn't directly translate to production?

yes. every single one of those guys has a better basketball skillset than blake. but did any of them produce at a higher level than he did? NO.
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I dont think any of them have the peyton manning of basketball on their team
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do you even know what you're arguing anymore?

i'm agreeing with you that i think they are better at basketball than he is. but what does it matter if he's producing at their level? so when you say he's overrated, who is he overrated in comparison to? considering i believe most would tell you that those guys "have a better skillset than blake".
 
After lebron i would say blake is the most physically gifted player in the league, but he does nothing good, if you jump the highest in the league its not that hard to grab rebounds and put the ball back up, ex: andre drummond

If zbo is inefficient then what is blake because he gave him that work in the playoffs, if pau is soft then what is blake if his own teammate called him mr softee, cmon you tellin me if these dudes had blakes athleticism they wouldnt be killing the game, thats why hes overrated
 
Black Migo said:
After lebron i would say blake is the most physically gifted player in the league, but he does nothing good, if you jump the highest in the league its not that hard to grab rebounds and put the ball back up, ex: andre drummond

If zbo is inefficient then what is blake because he gave him that work in the playoffs, if pau is soft then what is blake if his own teammate called him mr softee, cmon you tellin me if these dudes had blakes athleticism they wouldnt be killing the game, thats why hes overrated
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so it's a knock on a player because he's physically gifted?

i have a better jump shot than jeremy lin, but he's more physically gifted than me. this must mean that i'm better than him!

you know, i think i like your version of logic now :D
 
If Blake has improved so much, how come he still can't play defense? Or block shots? Or hit a 15-foot jumper? Or make a free throw consistently?

You can talk all you want about his numbers regressing due to fewer minutes, but the glaring holes in his game have not been fixed over the course of three seasons.
 
dmbrhs said:
If Blake has improved so much, how come he still can't play defense? Or block shots? Or hit a 15-foot jumper? Or make a free throw consistently?

You can talk all you want about his numbers regressing due to fewer minutes, but the glaring holes in his game have not been fixed over the course of three seasons.
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don't you just love writing off the rest of a player's career at 24 years old? this has to be my cue to go to bed.
 
Nah hes overrated because he never showed improvement in his game since cp3 got there, LA plus the highlights is making people believe hes better than he really is, Amare Jr if he stays like this
 
Black Migo said:
After lebron i would say blake is the most physically gifted player in the league, but he does nothing good, if you jump the highest in the league its not that hard to grab rebounds and put the ball back up, ex: andre drummond

If zbo is inefficient then what is blake because he gave him that work in the playoffs, if pau is soft then what is blake if his own teammate called him mr softee, cmon you tellin me if these dudes had blakes athleticism they wouldnt be killing the game, thats why hes overrated
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Lol you're logic is flawed on so many levels. You do know rebounding takes a little more than jumping high right? He's overrated because other players don't have his athleticism, I chuckled at that come on man.

Melo has arguably a better skill set than Kevin Durant, yet that doesn't mean he's a better player or scorer. KD, Lebron hell all the greats use their respective physical tools to their advantage, don't knock Blake because of it.
 
do work son said:
don't you just love writing off the rest of a player's career at 24 years old? this has to be my cue to go to bed.
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Don't you just love when people put words in your mouth?

I'm just stating facts. You can't sit there and tell me he's improved one iota in any of the criteria I mentioned. They've been glaring weaknesses since Day 1, and still are.
 
dmbrhs said:
Don't you just love when people put words in your mouth?

I'm just stating facts. You can't sit there and tell me he's improved one iota in any of the criteria I mentioned. They've been glaring weaknesses since Day 1, and still are.
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No you're actually not stating facts. He shot a career high in free throw %, shoots better than the league average from 16-23ft, and became a better team defender. So please, do some research before commenting.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ra-pass-blake-griffins-undeserved-reputation/
 
dmbrhs said:
If Blake has improved so much, how come he still can't play defense? Or block shots? Or hit a 15-foot jumper? Or make a free throw consistently?

You can talk all you want about his numbers regressing due to fewer minutes, but the glaring holes in his game have not been fixed over the course of three seasons.
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as of today, i'd say he has a lot of room to grow as a defender, but to say he hasnt improved his defense "one iota" is reaching.  let him have Doc Rivers as a coach for a season, and lets see how he improves.  The kid is 24 years old and lost a year due to a serious knee injury.  He hasn't even come close to reaching his potential as a player.  and blocking shots has very little to do with defense.  i could care less if he blocks 0 shots a game..its the rotations, lack of effort, and focus that i would pay closer attention to. 

he's also improved his 15 foot jumpshot in his short time in the nba.  I'm not sure if anyone shoots 100% but if the statistics im looking at are accurate--im more than okay with BG improving to 40% from 10-15 feet in 12/13 season from his 27.7% from that range the year before.  and yes CP3 does have an effect on that....but so does putting the work in the gym

his freethrows have also improved. 

now i know we live in a GIMME WHAT I WANT RIGHT NOW era....but let the kid grow.

let doc rivers spark that fire in him...imagine with playing with kg determination
 
Blake is entering his prime and has the best pg in the league, hes probably gonna have a bigger role in the offense, I expect no less than 23 and 10 playing under doc rivers, until then dude is overrated
 
SneakerPro said:
Its all fun and games until someone brings out advanced metrics.
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I'm not a fan of advanced metrics, but if someone is speaking with conviction and claims to be stating "facts", then by all means back it up.

Free throw % and making a higher % if your midrange shots are hardly advanced stats though.
 
i get what hes saying.

say you have lebron and kobe on your team. do you really want someone who needs the ball too and is a lesser defender and is considered soft than someone who plays better on the defensive end, hustle,and get boards like a mad man?

plus cheap
 
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NobleKane said:
i get what hes saying.

say you have lebron and kobe on your team. do you really want someone who needs the ball too and is a lesser defender and is considered soft than someone who plays better on the defensive end, hustle,and get boards like a mad man?

plus cheap
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Yup. Building a roster isnt all about having the best talent, pieces have to fit together. Look at the Knicks, that Mare/Melo thing was never going to work
 
Now this dudes comparing contracts like Faried isn't going to get PAID in a year or two when that rookie contract is up.

And if that team didn't win a gold medal that would be a damn failure. That squad is loaded even without Bron, CP3, Rose and Dwight. I'd love to see that team play together.
 
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