Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[osh kosh bosh]

If you judge a players value based on 4 injured plagued games, then you are an idiot.

 

[shoelyesses]

Jeremy Lin put up 13 and 6 without the ball in his hands and is somehow bottom 5

Wot

hell he is..... he maybe right there with Jeff Teague...who I still say is better, Mario Chalmers...who has came up big and proven himself in playoffs finals...and maybe Brandon Jennings, and ill just for lol throw in Jameer Nelson. ... Other then that pretty much every starting pg is better then him. Which would still make him top 5 worst starting pgs.. Def in the top of worst pgs in his conference easily and its not even close.

 

[mgrand15]

He's a league avg point gaurd, playing out of position 50% of the time.

is it an overpay? Sure. He's 24 years old, it's still a tradeble asset.

People will never understand that Harden's dominance forced a TRUE pick and roll PG into a Derek Fisher type role half the time.

 

[datznasty]

Less of an idiot than judging a player's career off a magical Super Mario mushroom month? Once that **** ran out, he was extra regular, turnover prone, predictable on offense, cant shoot, can't defend. That is his career up to this point; also likes to refuse to play in the playoffs as much as possible so as not to expose himself. His own coach didn't even trust him over Toney Douglas in 4th quarters

 

[pmatic]

Jeremy Lin put up 13 and 6 last season.  I have seen much worse players, getting much more money.

Dude earned that payday, and he happily accepted.  I dont have a problem with it.

Ain't mad at the homie at all, loved Linsanity and the excitement it brought to NYC/The Knicks but I just don't think he's worth that. Is he really going to be the pg of a championship winning team? He's average at everything, they could atleast use a pg who can shoot it from deep, play defense or is a great facilitator

All fair, but I would also like to add that he shot a very respectable 37% from three after New Years, the Rockets were better defensively with him on the floor than off last season (granted this isn't saying much as the team was pretty awful outside of Asik) and was playing next to Harden who negates his playmaking responsibilities.

 

[ballinsam23]

You sound like even more of an idiot. You just predicted that Felton "is only gonna get worse" while Lin "is likely to improve." Try to not let your bias cloud your judgement next time.

Your only valid point is that we let him go for nothing. Just like we let go of Fields for nothing (probably not even worth a 2nd rounder). Great, nothing we can do about that now.

 

[ogstoker55]

Mario Chalmers is a much better fit for the Heat roster than Jeremy Lin.  His demeanor and attitude and his ability to be fearless in big moments is crucial.  Jeremy Lin doesn't want to take wide open jumpers.....much less with the game on the line.

In my eyes they're both in the lower tier of PGs in the league...but they are still talented.  They just have areas in their game that need work. 

The 2013-14 season is a big year for Jeremy Lin.  As a fan of the Rockets, I believe he is over-paid...but he has a chance to be a big part of something special in the next couple years.  Mario has already proved he can do what is needed...even if its not much--you gotta be there when it counts.

 

[everysingletime]

At this point, Lin is what, 3 years removed from Harvard basketball? He got better with each year, from not getting any burn in GS, to making some noise with the Knicks, to averaging 15 and 7 is third year. Last year was his first time in the playoffs. Let's wait and see what he can do if he can get another chance in the playoffs again.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Listen to yourself. You just predicted that Felton "is only gonna get worse" while Lin "is likely to improve." Try to not let your bias cloud your judgement next time.

Your only valid point is that we let him go for nothing. Just like we let go of Fields for nothing (probably not even worth a 2nd rounder). Great, nothing we can do about that now.

how many point guards do you know start getting better after they turn 30?

Feilds is not an asset, he played like dog****, for the knicks and he played like dog **** for the raptors, its not comparable.

 

[shoelyesses]

But....Miller said one of the reasons why...nvm

BTW, Lin does not suck

It seems like you're either a superstar or a bum when it comes to NT.

Nt can go waaaaaaaaaay on the deep end on some players...but cats have gave props just in the last few pages to mike miller, conley, scola, jeff green, Drummond a whole litany of players who are faaaaaaaaaaar from superstar status. Its just dude really isn't any good. Name 5 starting pgs he is better then? Hell ill just limited to the western conference. Name any team he could go to and be a significant upgrade to their pg position?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Less of an idiot than judging a player's career off a magical Super Mario mushroom month? Once that **** ran out, he was extra regular, turnover prone, predictable on offense, cant shoot, can't defend. That is his career up to this point; also likes to refuse to play in the playoffs as much as possible so as not to expose himself. His own coach didn't even trust him over Toney Douglas in 4th quarters

So judging a player of of 4 playoff games or 107 regular season games.


imma take the 107, thanks.

 

[datznasty]

Less of an idiot than judging a player's career off a magical Super Mario mushroom month? Once that **** ran out, he was extra regular, turnover prone, predictable on offense, cant shoot, can't defend. That is his career up to this point; also likes to refuse to play in the playoffs as much as possible so as not to expose himself. His own coach didn't even trust him over Toney Douglas in 4th quarters

So judging a player of of 4 playoff games or 107 regular season games.


imma take the 107, thanks.

Those criticisms were valid in 107 regular season games, minus a stretch of maybe 5 weeks.

 

[tyonenine]

Chalmers makes big shots but half of the time, it's tough to watch him.

40% from 3 though.

 

[ballinsam23]

Listen to yourself. You just predicted that Felton "is only gonna get worse" while Lin "is likely to improve." Try to not let your bias cloud your judgement next time.

Your only valid point is that we let him go for nothing. Just like we let go of Fields for nothing (probably not even worth a 2nd rounder). Great, nothing we can do about that now.

how many point guards do you know start getting better after they turn 30?

Feilds is not an asset, he played like dog****, for the knicks and he played like dog **** for the raptors, its not comparable.

Not many. Felton does everything we need for this team. Plus he showed up in the playoffs. Players turn fat when they're not motivated. Playing for NY right now was what motivated Felton. Which is why his best year are with the Knicks. He wont get better, but we know what he gives us.

For Lin he cant go left, cant bring up the ball when pressured, and is turnover prone. All things he can fix, but its been 2 years and he hasnt yet.

 

[JD617]

You just predicted that Felton "is only gonna get worse" while Lin "is likely to improve."

How is that not true considering their respective ages?

Try to not let your bias cloud your judgement next time.

Says the Knick fan. 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Its also amazing to me that turnover prone Jermey Lin while controlling the offense half the time has basically the same turnover rate as Mario Chalmers, who basically is a spot up shooter 80% of the time.


Chalmers is an excellent fit for Miami, and Jermey Lin is not an ideal fit with James Harden but Lin's managing, they are both good point guards but don't confuse fit with a players value to the other 29 teams in the L.

 

[Peep Game]

Jeremy Lin put up a league average PER, while playing out of position half the time, his contract only has 2 years left, and then it becomes a 8 mil expiring contract.
Its not some horrific overpay cap crunching overpay, he didn't rob anyone.
Y'all need to chill.

This. His contract $$$ means nothing. It's just something to talk about, though most people talking about it, have no idea what they're talking about. Lin & Toneygawd made made sure the Knicks were nothing when they played them

 

[pmatic]

From James Harden to Kevin Martin to Ryan Gomes. OOF.

 

[bhzmafia14]

"I love it"

 

[shoeking2101]

Chalmers is underrated to me. He fits with Miami perfectly. I honestly feel like if he was in Lin's position he would put up similar numbers. While I like Lin and think he's an okay starting PG, he has some serious flaws in that he can't dribble when pressured, he can't go left, and is an extremely inconsistent shooter. I just feel like Chalmers playing with the big 3 dilutes his ability as a player.

But I saw people in here saying Jeremy Lin was better than OJ Mayo though. .... wow..

 

[mgrand15]

To be fair, Felton has that chubby face but he's always been in shape except for that lockout year. He was probably thinking the season was cancelled and was eatin real good until they announced preseason was like 5 days away.

 

[dman14]

4yrs/15 mill for Felton is actually a very good contract or us

Felton > Lin

Idiotic.

You gave up an asset for NOTHING.

It's dumb, period.

Bet you could pick up a mid to late first round pick for Lin next year when he's an 8 mil expiring, or you can package him in a trade for someone better, you can't do that with Felton who you will be paying at ages 29, 30, 31, who has a history of weight/conditioning problems and he's only going to get worse.

vs Jermey lin at 24, 25, 26, who is likely to improve and is tradable.

his contract isnt even that bad for the rockets cause they can afford it and it is a short term deal. ive seen way worse contract than that. if anything, you couldve gotten a draft pick from the rockets in a deal. knicks basically told lin to get the best offer and dolan got mad cause he got as much as he can. you guys act like he carlos boozered dolan.

felton a top 5 pick being compared to lin. an underachiever compared to a undrafted guy. felton been a bust his whole career

 

[100027]

Or you just have Knicks blinders on like always. The ppl going hard at Lin aren't usually Knicks fans, I have no idea why you think it's a legion of new Yorkers crapping on Lin. It really isn't. He has been getting hated on by a variety of fans

Seems on here like its Knicks fans and people dropping weird race references...

Like people said, he's not a star but he's been a decent young PG in a non-ideal position. Felton's been okay for the Knicks but he is SO wildly inconsistent also....

 

[harlemtothebronx]

****, at least Felton plays in the playoffs.

And yeah, Knicks fans I know, and everyone who frequents the Knicks thread haven't been talking or thinking about Lin since about a quarter into last season.

He is a decent young player though, and I still wish the Knicks would have held onto him but it is what it is.

 

[100027]

I just don't know why the hate is SO vitriolic towards this dude on here. Too me half of it seems to be from Knicks fans (I don't see how you can blame the guy for leaving), and half from people who mention that he's Asian every few sentences.