Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[japanair21]

while Dirk would take a paycut its not gonna be a big one

no superstar is giving up half of what hes owed. i dont see a mil or two making a difference

Why don't you think it'd be a big paycut?

If Dwight comes, Dirk will without a doubt be as hungry as he can be to win.

If he doesn't come, he'd be less willing to leave money on the table.

Duncan is making like 12 million less than Dirk this upcoming year. You don't think it's possible Dirk takes a paycut at least that large? I do.

Kobe? No. Dirk? Sure.

 

[dman14]

I know Im late but why does everybody boo stern?

Basketball reasons 2 lock outs rigged games bad refs.

He used to be the best commish. Then he took a nose dive after MJ left. Started trying to manufacture superstars. Drive up the popularity and effectiveness of the guard position.

worst officiating in all of the major sports
tim donaghy scandal

he's cleaned up the image of the league

 

[dman14]

doesnt matter houston will still wont leave the second round with dwight.

Are they gonna be able to keep all there pieces together and sign Dwight? Parsons ashik lin and Delfino? They also got Thomas Robinson in a trade they could shock some people next year if they land him and can keep there main pieces together

asik and lin will be off the books in a couple years, remember, they only signed 3 yr deals. parson's current deal is a bargain 4yr/3.7M

 

[00david00]

I know Im late but why does everybody boo stern?

at this point it's tradition

 

[phillysuge2k13]

I know Im late but why does everybody boo stern?

illuminati?

 

[duba169]

worst officiating in all of the major sports
tim donaghy scandal

he's cleaned up the image of the league

Cleaned up the image by making it sissy and taking emotion out the game. I'd rather have the "thugs"

 

[jballer20]

Lol at that Shabazz quote

These Rondo to Dallas trade talks are interesting, thought Ainge was gonna keep him til the all star break

Ainge gonna Ainge

 

[bhzmafia14]

For some reason, Houston with Dwight does not scare me one bit as a Western Conference team.

 

[Bert.]

doesnt matter houston will still wont leave the second round with dwight.

Are they gonna be able to keep all there pieces together and sign Dwight? Parsons ashik lin and Delfino? They also got Thomas Robinson in a trade they could shock some people next year if they land him and can keep there main pieces together

yes, they are all under contract

 

[Peep Game]

doesnt matter houston will still wont leave the second round with dwight.

Are they gonna be able to keep all there pieces together and sign Dwight? Parsons ashik lin and Delfino? They also got Thomas Robinson in a trade they could shock some people next year if they land him and can keep there main pieces together

T-Rob is more than likely getting traded, Parsons can be resigned for cheap, and same with Lin rolleyes). Asik could definitely command a lot of money on the open market though. Garcia isn't coming back (his 6.5 mil will be off the books), and I can't see them bringing back Delfino, especially after his foot fracture. Brooks' option has been declined too (his spot will more than likely be taken by Isaiah Canaan). So if Dwight does land here, more signings will definitely be made.

***Oh, you were asking if they can keep them all and still sign him, nvm, yes like zyzz said.

 

[Bert.]

For some reason, Houston with Dwight does not scare me one bit as a Western Conference team.

thats because really it shouldnt, its a solid team but not a championship team.

 

[durantula]

D12 Is gonna go to Houston dudes meeting with them as soon as he can he's gonna meet with the coach's, players and Hakeem Olajuwon boy there gonna be fun to watch next year

doesnt matter houston will still wont leave the second round with dwight.

if he played the same way as this year then my statement stands true. but maybe he'll improev

He was coming off back surgery and messed up his shoulder, I fully believe he will return back to his orlando magic form next year

 

[japanair21]

For some reason, Houston with Dwight does not scare me one bit as a Western Conference team.

I'm not sure the Rockets pace suit Dwight. That's a lot of running. It definitely would catapult them as a top 3 team in the west.

 

[shatterkneesinc]

harden doesnt want to defer to kd
no way he will defer to dwight

 

[awwsome]

Dwight can run, that ***** doesn't have any knee problems.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up in H-town, seems to be the best situation. Then again he isn't known for making the sharpest decisions

Trust in the nerd god Morey though

 

[datznasty]

harden doesnt want to defer to kd
no way he will defer to dwight

He didn't want to not start and take less than the max to live in a state that doesn't even have real strip clubs. You only have to give Dwight a few iso post ups a game, beyond that he can live off the offensive boards and the pick and roll, which James is a historic level master at. Probably see a lot of this (below). I also wonder if they will consider trying to trade Lin. He is terrible, got outplayed by Livingston in training camp then in the postseason by Brooks and Beverly ol minimum contract ***, at some point it has to be chalked up as a L and move on. I have no doubt we'll be hearing out of training camp in a few yrs that Canaan is better and there's pressure on McHale to bench Lin

edit: is there a new way to post youtube videos

 

[duba169]

Would it be the first time a "superstar" has willingly left LA?

 

[mr jordan04]

He's not winning anything in Houston or Dallas so that reasoning is irrelevant...and he damn sure isn't winning anything in LA

 

[seymore cake]

what does it cost to pry DMC from Sac?

 

[rrlegend]

what does it cost to pry DMC from Sac?

Patience

 

[cash money 1999]

 I'd rather have the "thugs"

ayo

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

[h1]Will Taxes Affect Dwight Howard's 'Decision?'[/h1]

Spoiler: Warning%3A%20Spoiler!

Free agent NBA basketball center Dwight Howard always seems to be chomping at the bit for new pastures. When he played for the Orlando Magic he was constantly frustrated, demanding to be traded, and irritating his coach with suggestions the coach should be fired. Finally, the Magic sent him packing to the Los Angeles Lakers, though he continued to play on his Florida contract for an additional year.

Now that he's a free agent, he'll be able to decide where he plays. It's been reported that two Texas teams – the Houston Rockets and the Dallas Mavericks – may be wooing him, along with some others, including the Los Angeles Clippers and the Memphis Grizzlies. 

Suppose Howard goes to Texas. Will he get a better deal there than in California? It all depends on how you look at it. Just ask Texas Governor Rick Perry and he'll tell you  – as he's telling everyone – there's simply no better place to work, live, or visit than the Lone Star State. 

California –  Where the Gross Is Greener 

For Howard, the gross in California is greener by far. If he stays with the Lakers, they're dangling before him a five year contract at $23.6 million per year, for a total of $118 million. 

Applying the NBA's new rules, pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement, it's possible for Howard to be offered a five year contract by the Lakers and a salary that exceeds the salary cap. Also, his chances of landing lucrative endorsement contracts may be better in Southern California than just about anywhere else. Considering it's common for pro athletes to supplement their salary by selling their image, this is bound to play a role in the decision. 

Then Again, Texas Has Its Own Advantages 

With the higher annual salary and the extra year the Lakers can offer, the two Texas teams can't compete with the gross pay and the added security of a longer contract. But let's say Howard opts to join the Houston Rockets anyway. They can give him $21.9 million per year for four years. That's a total of $87.6 million. Doing the math, it works out to $30.4 million less. However, when you look at the after-tax income on a year-to-year basis, Texas trumps.

Here's a comparison, courtesy of CPA Robert A. Raiola, who heads the Sports & Entertainment Group for the New Jersey–based accounting firm of Fazio, Mannuzza, Roche, Tankel, LaPilusa, LLC. Note: The calculations in this chart are based solely on Howard's potential contract offers and don't take into account any other type of income. 

[table][tr][td]LA Lakers[/td][td]2013[/td][td]2014[/td][td]2015[/td][td]2016[/td][td]2017[/td][td]Total[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Wages[/td][td]23,600,000[/td][td]23,600,000[/td][td]23,600,000[/td][td]23,600,000[/td][td]23,600,000[/td][td]118,000,000[/td][/tr][tr][td]Federal Tax[/td][td]8,557,666[/td][td]8,557,666[/td][td]8,557,666[/td][td]8,557,666[/td][td]8,557,666[/td][td]42,788,330[/td][/tr][tr][td]State Tax[/td][td]3,115,393[/td][td]3,115,393[/td][td]3,115,393[/td][td]3,115,393[/td][td]3,115,393[/td][td]15,576,965[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Net Wages[/td][td]11,926,941[/td][td]11,926,941[/td][td]11,926,941[/td][td]11,926,941[/td][td]11,926,941[/td][td]59,634,705[/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]Houston Rockets[/td][td]2013[/td][td]2014[/td][td]2015[/td][td]2016[/td][td]2017[/td][td]Total[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Wages[/td][td]21,900,000[/td][td]21,900,000[/td][td]21,900,000[/td][td]21,900,000[/td][td] [/td][td]87,600,000[/td][/tr][tr][td]Federal Tax[/td][td]8,782,969[/td][td]8,782,969[/td][td]8,782,969[/td][td]8,782,969[/td][td] [/td][td]35,131,876[/td][/tr][tr][td]State Tax[/td][td]536,550[/td][td]536,550[/td][td]536,550[/td][td]536,550[/td][td] [/td][td]2,146,200[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Net Wages[/td][td]12,580,481[/td][td]12,580,481[/td][td]12,580,481[/td][td]12,580,481[/td][td] [/td][td]50,321,924[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td]Difference[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]Total[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Wages[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]30,400,000[/td][/tr][tr][td]Federal Tax[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]7,656,454[/td][/tr][tr][td]State Tax[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]13,430,765[/td][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td]Net Wages[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]9,312,781[/td][/tr][/table]

Assuming Howard remains in California AND is considered a legal resident of the Golden State, his $23.6 million annual salary will of course be reduced by federal income tax (approximately $8.5 million; see chart). His entire salary also will be subject to the highest state income tax in the nation, which is currently 13.3 percent. This works out to over $3.1 million, just in state tax, according to Raiola's calculations, leaving Howard with net annual income of just under $11.93 million for each of the five years. Note: Players who reside in states with income tax are eligible to take credits for state income tax paid to other states. 

What if he opts instead to go to the Houston Rockets (or the Mavericks) AND becomes a Texas resident? His gross annual pay would be $21.9 million, a decrease of $1.7 million per year, compared to the California contract. Federal taxes work out to nearly $8.8 million per year. Texas has no state income tax, which is a nice advantage, though, like any pro athlete who plays outside his home state, he'll be subject to "jock tax."

Jock tax, says Raiola, is determined by applying a fraction and multiplying it by the player's compensation. The numerator of the fraction is the number of duty days played in a given location, and the denominator is the total duty days in a calendar year. Duty days include not only the day of the game, but also the arrival day (generally the day before the game), plus any days spent training or appearing on behalf of the team in states where jock tax is charged. 

On a salary of $21.9 million, says Raiola, the jock tax for Howard would be approximately $536,550 on an annual basis. This leaves Howard with a net of almost $12.6 million for each of four years. That's a gain for Howard of $653,340 of net income, each year, even on a much lower annual salary. 

Options

Either Texas team would be the same tax scenario. Another option: he could remain in California and join the Los Angeles Clippers. Howard also could choose to play for a California team, but establish residency elsewhere, and avoid California's high state income tax on income not earned within the Golden State.

Then again, he may be seduced to go to Tennessee and become a member of the Memphis Grizzlies. Tennessee does have state income tax, but the tax treatment for professional athletes is mild compared to many other states. There, pro athletes (other than NFL players) are charged a "privilege tax," which is a flat rate of $2,500 per game regardless of income, up to three games, for a maximum of $7,500 per year. 

So what's a guy to do? Howard has a lot to consider. Only one thing seems certain for him, and that is, he's never happy where he is for very long. For Howard, the next pasture always looks greener. Before he decides, he needs to weigh all the factors, including the fact that when it comes to monetary compensation, even when the gross is greener, in the end, the net may be sweeter.

 

[duba169]

ayo

"no Hibbert"

 

[Bert.]

For some reason, Houston with Dwight does not scare me one bit as a Western Conference team.

I'm not sure the Rockets pace suit Dwight. That's a lot of running. It definitely would catapult them as a top 3 team in the west.

he can def run

 

[ill steelo]

Would it be the first time a "superstar" has willingly left LA?

One of the reasons why I didn't think he'd be leaving. They've been the most successful franchise, BY FAR, since the merger. They always, always reload quickly no matter who's running the team.

But reports say he's giving Houston serious consideration. If it happens, Morey bounced back quite nicely from the TMac/Yao nightmare.