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It's still all on Blake really developing other than that I don't see the Clippers honestly doing better than they did last year. Let's see if this is allow and what moves they'll make.
 
HOOD17 said:
It's still all on Blake really developing other than that I don't see the Clippers honestly doing better than they did last year. Let's see if this is allow and what moves they'll make.
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Pretty much it is still on Blake's development. However the west could change a bit. Manu looks done, so the Spurs will need to re-tool to stay at a championship level. Pops seems to think they can stay pat but I call B.S. Duncan will be another year older. Memphis lost Hollins and Tony Allen could potentially leave in free agency. OKC could lose Kevin Martin in free agency.. still a lot of question marks. The Clippers still have their core intact, they're still in the ballpark.

People seem extra down on the Clippers but if Blake could develop worth a damn and Jordan could wake the hell up and use just a fraction of his physical gifts on defense, they could take it to the next level as fast as next season.
 
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Clips, Celts reach deal for Rivers
Updated: June 23, 2013, 6:56 PM ET
By Jackie MacMullan | ESPNBoston.com


Sources: Doc Rivers Headed To Clippers

Jackie MacMullan discusses the details of the reported deal that will send Doc Rivers to the Clippers.


Sources confirmed on Sunday that the Clippers will sign Rivers to a three-year, $21 million contract. They will send a 2015 first-round pick as compensation to the Celtics, who have agreed to release the coach from the three years, $21 million he has remaining on his deal with the club.

Sources close to the process told ESPN that the Clippers believe the deal with Rivers will clinch Chris Paul's signature on a new five-year max contract. Paul becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1.

Contrary to previous reports, according to league and team sources, the Celtics have been complicit all along in assisting Rivers make the switch from Boston to Los Angeles.

Although Danny Ainge, the Celtics' director of basketball operations, was initially irked that Rivers was lukewarm about returning to Boston, where a rebuilding process soon will be underway, team sources said he recognized the best way to accumulate the first-round draft picks he covets would be to relinquish his two most valued assets -- Rivers and Kevin Garnett. Since then, he and Rivers have been working side by side to secure a deal that is best for both parties, sources said.


Team sources confirmed Ainge also has been trying to secure a first-round pick for veteran Paul Pierce, who can be bought out by June 30 for $5 million. The Celtics have been unsuccessful thus far, leaving open the possibility they keep Pierce and his $15.3 million contract and attempt to deal him again at the trade deadline next winter, when teams historically look for veteran help and are willing to overpay.

Celtics ownership, which blanched at the thought of paying a coach $7 million a season for a team that will not be in contention for a division title, never mind an NBA title, is also on board with Rivers' departure, sources said.

League and teams sources also confirmed that for now, any deal involving Garnett and the Clippers is on hold in light of commissioner David Stern's objections to the appearance that the KG deal (for DeAndre Jordan) and Rivers were related.

One source with knowledge of the NBA's thinking told ESPN.com that the league does not intend to change its stance as expressed by Stern in multiple radio interviews Thursday, meaning that the league would view any subsequent trade agreement between the Celtics and Clippers involving Garnett to be part of the Rivers deal and thus in violation of league rules.

Team sources also indicated that Rivers is frustrated with the perception that he was the driving force behind the push to go to the Clippers, or that he was unwilling to coach the Celtics if Pierce and Garnett were not going to be on the roster.

"Doc never said any such thing," a source close to the coach said. "He just wasn't sure if he could rev himself up for years of rebuilding. He never issued any ultimatums about anyone."

The Celtics have a news conference scheduled for noon on Monday, where, sources said, Rivers is expected to explain his decision to leave Boston after nine seasons.

The Clippers always believed they would be able to land Rivers and never considered Friday's breakdown in talks to be anything more than a "cooling off" for both sides. Clippers president Andy Roeser and vice president of basketball operations Gary Sacks called Boston early Sunday morning to revisit the talks.

Yahoo! Sports and The Boston Globe earlier reported the Clippers and Celtics renewed talks for Rivers after hitting an impasse on Friday.

The Clippers were prepared to hire either Brian Shaw or Byron Scott on Monday if the deal for Rivers could not be worked out, sources said
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To blame Rondo for this is absurd. Rivers didn't want to deal with a pre PGA team. If he wasn't gifted them, he'd have been out a long time ago. Ainge completely messed this one up. Should have started rebuilding last season when he could have got Gay for Pierce. Their 2012 Draft was awful as well.
 
GSDOUBLEU said:
Someone explain to me why KG can't get traded to LA C?
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Teams can't put players in transaction for a coach. NBA sees KG being dealt to Clips, now or later, as part of same Doc deal

You can call NBA stingy but they are 100% right
 
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I understand no player wants to be in miwaukee but they will have some money this offseason. I can see them paying big for cousins. As long as they dont trade sanders/henson I wouldnt mind. Throw in tyreke and then kings get jennings/ersan?
 
Vincent Van Ho said:
Dude is a third option at best but it's a tall order asking him to contribute in this role on less shots and less usage. He just seems disinterested when the ball isn't in his hands. I don't know if he has an attitude problem or if he thinks he's better than he really is but he showed me a lot of his true colors to finish out the year with Dallas. He flamed out and possibly flat out gave up on his teammates.
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This is where I guess I'll disagree. Third option at best? I think in the right situation he would thrive as a second option on a good team. A full year of him and Dirk would potentially be good in my opinion, as he proved that he could be a really good player in this league before Dirk came back. I felt that it was a matter of giving those two time to develop some chemistry, which was hard considering the contractual circumstances with Dallas last year.

I do agree that he does look disinterested and non aggressive during games a lot, but that has more to do with his unselfishness than his attitude. (Which by all accounts have been mostly good since he came into the league) I was surprised and dissapointed with his flame out to end the year as well, considering he started out the year so good. The same guy who was torching the league the first two months couldn't even find a way to put up 10 shots in a game. We'll see though.


Bigmike23 said:
OJ Mayo fans never give up
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What about OJ that I said wasn't correct? Was he not very good before Dirk came back from injury? Did Dallas not have a full year of him and Dirk? Is he not a 16-18 ppg player? I don't get it. I didn't even say anything that was outlandish. Before Dirk came back he was a top 5 two guard and was in the running for the ASG. It's not that I'm an OJ fan, it's that he is a very good scorer who turned into a really good playmaker last year as well.
 
Doc to the clips is a move in the right direction for them, but still doesn't solve their most potent problem.

They don't have a go to player when the game is on the line, particularly once the playoffs roll around. They have enough talent to win 50 games and get into the postseason, but outside of winning a round, that's it. That's their potential.

Unless Blake develops into a go-to type of player, they won't amount to much in the postseason. Chris Paul, while very good is still too small in terms of being an elite scorer for a team in the playoffs. Put a rangy guy with length on him and that nullifies him. Their best option as it stands is Crawford, who doesn't get anything but 20 foot contested jumpers. They need a consistent go to scorer when the game is on the line.
 
shoeking2101 said:
Vincent Van Ho said:
Dude is a third option at best but it's a tall order asking him to contribute in this role on less shots and less usage. He just seems disinterested when the ball isn't in his hands. I don't know if he has an attitude problem or if he thinks he's better than he really is but he showed me a lot of his true colors to finish out the year with Dallas. He flamed out and possibly flat out gave up on his teammates.
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This is where I guess I'll disagree. Third option at best? I think in the right situation he would thrive as a second option on a good team. A full year of him and Dirk would potentially be good in my opinion, as he proved that he could be a really good player in this league before Dirk came back. I felt that it was a matter of giving those two time to develop some chemistry, which was hard considering the contractual circumstances with Dallas last year.

I do agree that he does look disinterested and non aggressive during games a lot, but that has more to do with his unselfishness than his attitude. (Which by all accounts have been mostly good since he came into the league) I was surprised and dissapointed with his flame out to end the year as well, considering he started out the year so good. The same guy who was torching the league the first two months couldn't even find a way to put up 10 shots in a game. We'll see though.


Bigmike23 said:
OJ Mayo fans never give up
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What about OJ that I said wasn't correct? Was he not very good before Dirk came back from injury? Did Dallas not have a full year of him and Dirk? Is he not a 16-18 ppg player? I don't get it. I didn't even say anything that was outlandish. Before Dirk came back he was a top 5 two guard and was in the running for the ASG. It's not that I'm an OJ fan, it's that he is a very good scorer who turned into a really good playmaker last year as well.
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OJ Mayo can't handle a double team to save his life.

He's a third option at best.
 
Sounds like some agents/lawyers revealed too much at once or never fully understood the CBA smh!

Why would you announce all your secret desires like that all up front while knowing the cba rules? They should have never spoke on kg and pierce while discussing rivers to the clippers in the first place, this way they could have tried to pull kg/pierce to clippers on the tuck.

I doubt it will work now. If its just rivers on the clippers and no kg and pierce then I don't see that as the means to a chip. Should have just hired shaw or Scott n kept it pushing. I seriously doubt the clippers will ever win a ring but others seem to think otherwise.
 
Iamjusayn said:
Sounds like some agents/lawyers revealed too much at once or never fully understood the CBA smh!

Why would you announce all your secret desires like that all up front while knowing the cba rules? They should have never spoke on kg and pierce while discussing rivers to the clippers in the first place, this way they could have tried to pull kg/pierce to clippers on the tuck.

I doubt it will work now. If its just rivers on the clippers and no kg and pierce then I don't see that as the means to a chip. Should have just hired shaw or Scott n kept it pushing. I seriously doubt the clippers will ever win a ring but others seem to think otherwise.
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The Clippers with a proper coach can get out the West next year.
 
Without a true post-up option the Clippers never have been and never will be worth a damn, IDC who their coach is.
 
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awwsome said:
With a healthy Westbrook and Durant?

Never
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Outside of OKC, Clippers have just a good a chance to get out of the west as anyone else. Spurs will need to re-tool and hope Leonard can become more of a vocal point offensively. Memphis had better hold on to Tony Allen and also hopefully net a good coach, but they've eliminated the Clippers once while the Clippers have done the same to them once. Denver still trying that no superstar formula, I'm not sure they have it in them to be a legit contender. Golden State and Houston are lurking but still a step below the Clippers in my opinion. The Lakers and Mavs... meh.
 
Instead of giving up a draft pick for him, couldn't Doc Rivers just resign/quit from the Celtics and sign with the Clippers? :nerd:
 
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Is OKC going to stay with all those young guys or move them for some veteran pieces?
 
you big dummy said:
Instead of giving up a draft pick for him, couldn't Doc Rivers just resign/quit from the Celtics and sign with the Clippers?
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No because he would still be under contract with the Celtics. He could sit out and not coach though, which he claimed he was prepared to do and would have just went to the broadcast booth.
 
The fact that doc could have just sat out n done nothing n still get paid $7 mil from celtics for three years is insane! Not to mention if he got bored n decided to do broadcasting n make money off that too, smh!
 
Am I the only one who thinks Blake has developed a decent post game? Hes even adding that step back jumper.
 
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