Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

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shoeking2101 said:
Seymore CAKE said:
What you don't realize is that his 5 rings aren't held to the same level to that of Magic, Larry, & Michael because they were the undeniable leaders of each one of those championship teams.

Then when you look at the fact that individually, outside of scoring, his achievements don't compare. Take MVP's Magic 5, Michael 5, Larry 3 (in a row, the only player to every win 3 straight)
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Fair enough, although I put Kobe's rings on the same level as Magic and Larry (It's not like they were playing with bums. Although they were undeniable leaders on their teams, they also had a plethora of HoF'ers as teammates)

And as far as accomplishments go, I was always under the assumption that rings weighed the most in that regard. 5 rings (during the 3 peat run, scoring averages of 21, 29 and 27 in those playoff runs) with a career line of 26 5 5 > What Larry and Magic have done IMO.
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Larry Bird has a playoff average of 24, 10 and 6.5.

including a period where he averaged:

28, 11, 6

26, 9, 6

26, 9, 8

27, 10, 7

26, 9, 7

Magic has a playoff average of 19, 12, 8

so you're wrong.
 
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this is ******ed.

people from LA will say Kobe>>

people from SA will say Tim>>

People from Boston will say Bird>>

I'm fortunate enough to have lived in LA while being a die hard Kobe fan in LA between 1999 to 2012 so obviously I'm bias.  Same goes for someone in San Antonio that lived there from 1998 to 2008 etc.
 
Teamlakers909 said:
this is ******ed.

people from LA will say Kobe>>

people from SA will say Tim>>

People from Boston will say Bird>>

I'm fortunate enough to have lived in LA while being a die hard Kobe fan in LA between 1999 to 2012 so obviously I'm bias.  Same goes for someone in San Antonio that lived there from 1998 to 2008 etc.
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I'm from Pittsburgh
 
shoeking2101 said:
Like I said, when comparing great players I put the rings on the highest of pedestals and Kobe has 5 rings, 30k plus points, 2 finals mvps, and 2 scoring titles, & 5 ASG MVP's for good measure. That triumphs what Shaq has done to me, and Bryant isn't even finished.
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grandtheftbike said:
really? youd rather have won what every player plays for 4 times over 5? really? because of having 1 less finals mvp? because you were not 'the man'?
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Did you really just bring ASG MVPs in this discussion?:smh: it's fine, i just won't take anything you say seriously anymore.

And, yes I do think having one final MVP is more impressive than having one more ring.
 
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Heads up-- Game 6 of the NBA Finals, Bulls vs Suns starting on NBA TV right now
 
Teamlakers909 said:
this is ******ed.

people from LA will say Kobe>>

people from SA will say Tim>>

People from Boston will say Bird>>

I'm fortunate enough to have lived in LA while being a die hard Kobe fan in LA between 1999 to 2012 so obviously I'm bias.  Same goes for someone in San Antonio that lived there from 1998 to 2008 etc.
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I am from none of those places.
 
dmbrhs said:
Teamlakers909 said:
this is ******ed.

people from LA will say Kobe>>

people from SA will say Tim>>

People from Boston will say Bird>>

I'm fortunate enough to have lived in LA while being a die hard Kobe fan in LA between 1999 to 2012 so obviously I'm bias.  Same goes for someone in San Antonio that lived there from 1998 to 2008 etc.
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I am from none of those places.
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Neither am I.

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan

All clearly better than Kobe imo.
 
Teamlakers909 said:
this is ******ed.

people from LA will say Kobe>>

people from SA will say Tim>>

People from Boston will say Bird>>

I'm fortunate enough to have lived in LA while being a die hard Kobe fan in LA between 1999 to 2012 so obviously I'm bias.  Same goes for someone in San Antonio that lived there from 1998 to 2008 etc.
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turrible logic.
 
WhatsLosinLike said:
This is why I despise the Lakers and anyone who supports them.
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Goodness know I have my issues with some Lakers fans, but they're not all Kobe stans. Most people that were Lakers fans before 1999 are pretty reasonable (except for feeling entitled to every superstar player that may be available). I doubt a majority of Lakers fans that are over age 30 will insist Kobe is the GOAT or even top 5.
 
lawdog1 said:
WhatsLosinLike said:
This is why I despise the Lakers and anyone who supports them.
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Goodness know I have my issues with some Lakers fans, but they're not all Kobe stans. Most people that were Lakers fans before 1999 are pretty reasonable (except for feeling entitled to every superstar player that may be available). I doubt a majority of Lakers fans that are over age 30 will insist Kobe is the GOAT or even top 5.
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You would be suprised.
 
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