Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

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CertifiedFlyBoi23 said:
I can beat Russell Westbrook in a 1 on 1 game up to 11. Makers. Win by 2.
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Another thing about the Beasley news... I find it very interesting that when Woj initially reported the Heats interest in Bease, like half a dozen Miami beat writers shot the news down... a week later they sign him.

His sources are "the realest ****** in it"
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amel223 said:
Why do people always overrate themselves.
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If you're referring to me saying that Penny would beat me, but it wouldnt be with his quickness or athleticism, I dont see where I'm overrating myself?
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A guy like Steph Curry probably can never dunk in traffic in an nba game to save his life. I doubt he'd even be able to dunk on an nba fast break. But if he's by himself he can post videos of himself doing windmills. Any nba player, and this goes for ex nba players too, are always going to be more athletic than you think they are.

I mean, just look at Scalabrine just blowing by his man and yamming it in the video a few videos up lmao. Scalabrine would do that all day in most Ys. He's retired and he was never on Penny's level at any point.
 
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Predictions on the Sixers' 2013-2014 win total? I'm going with 12. It was tempting to go single digits, but some other teams are going to be tanking pretty hard toward the end of the season too, so Philly will probably pick up a few more wins then.
 
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amel223 said:
Why do people always overrate themselves.
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que?

If you're referring to me saying that Penny would beat me, but it wouldnt be with his quickness or athleticism, I dont see where I'm overrating myself?
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A guy like Steph Curry probably can never dunk in traffic in an nba game to save his life. I doubt he'd even be able to dunk on an nba fast break. But if he's by himself he can post videos of himself doing windmills. Any nba player, and this goes for ex nba players too, are always going to be more athletic than you think they are.
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Well yeah I know that.  However a 42 year old, who has been out of the game for 5 years and has degenerative knees, its not beating me with his athleticism.  Not that he would need to, he could beat me a variety of other ways that dont involving his speed or quickness.

Idk what kind of shape you guys are in, but most athletic people should be able to stay in front of Penny at this point, not just me.  He'll still destroy most regardless because of his skill however.

And Steph Curry is a bad example, he is better than Penny ever was.
 
I think I'm goin single digits.

Good point about other teams tanking, but I kinda see Philly not even bringing five guys on the floor after timeouts, things like that.

"Oops, we didn't realize we only had 3 players in the game ref......for the whole 3rd quarter, sorry bout that."

*sends in 1 player*


:lol: Gonna be awesome to see.
 
lawdog1 said:
Predictions on the Sixers' 2013-2014 win total? I'm going with 12. It was tempting to go single digits, but some other teams are going to be tanking pretty hard toward the end of the season too, so Philly will probably pick up a few more wins then.
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12 is a little low

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ReggieKILLER said:
amel223 said:
 
ReggieKILLER said:
 
amel223 said:
Why do people always overrate themselves.
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If you're referring to me saying that Penny would beat me, but it wouldnt be with his quickness or athleticism, I dont see where I'm overrating myself?
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A guy like Steph Curry probably can never dunk in traffic in an nba game to save his life. I doubt he'd even be able to dunk on an nba fast break. But if he's by himself he can post videos of himself doing windmills. Any nba player, and this goes for ex nba players too, are always going to be more athletic than you think they are.
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Well yeah I know that.  However a 42 year old, who has been out of the game for 5 years and has degenerative knees, its not beating me with his athleticism.  Not that he would need to, he could beat me a variety of other ways that dont involving his speed or quickness.

Idk what kind of shape you guys are in, but most athletic people should be able to stay in front of Penny at this point, not just me.  He'll still destroy most regardless because of his skill however.

And Steph Curry is a bad example, he is better than Penny ever was.
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Don't turn this into a Steph Curry vs Penny discussion. The whole point was that athleticism can be deceptive.

Just look at the Brian Scalabrine video that was posted the last page. According to you, a retired guy like Scalabrine would need to use his height and post up to get his points. But for almost every point, Scalabrine just goes around the guy and yams it or does a power layup. He'll be able to do that in most Ys and Scalabrine was never at any point the kind of athlete Penny was.
 
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[COLOR=#red]Can Redick be the Clippers' Ray Allen?[/COLOR]

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When you move to a new city, a little familiarity is always appreciated.

After spending nine years coaching the Celtics, Doc Rivers had to leave certain Boston institutions such as Kevin Garnett and Dunkin' Donuts back on the East Coast to coach the Los Angeles Clippers. And while Blake Griffin, the Krispy Kreme of this hunger-fueled analogy, isn't a bad consolation prize by any means, he's just not the same.
When you win a championship and have the level of success Rivers had, it would make sense to acquire players who replicate the style, skills and production levels of those you've had success with in the past. Maybe that's why in one of his first acts as head coach and senior vice president of basketball operations for the Clippers, Rivers traded for J.J. Redick, his new Ray Allen.

Does it feel blasphemous to compare Redick to Jesus Shuttlesworth? It probably shouldn't.

In fact, it's a little alarming how similar Redick and Allen are statistically. The shooting guards share the same career true shooting percentage at 58 percent, and per 36 minutes, both players have made (2.3) and attempted (5.8) the same amount of 3-pointers. If Redick got the minutes and opportunities Allen did in his first seven seasons (18.8 percent career usage rate compared to Allen's 24.1 percent), we might view him in a different light. (Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.)

Redick offered a glimpse of what he could do as a primary offensive option in big minutes last season. Just look at his numbers with Orlando last year compared to Allen’s championship season with Rivers:

* Redick '12-13: 17.3 points per 36, 59.2 TS%, 21.5 USG, 16.1 PER
* Allen '07-08: 17.5 points per 36, 58.4 TS%, 21.6 USG, 16.4 PER

Although the statistical profiles are eerily similar, the process might matter to Rivers more than the raw results.

Synergy Sports has tracked shot types since the 2009-10 season, giving us two seasons of Ray Allen's shot-type data in Boston. In those seasons, Allen had roughly 33 percent of his attempts coming off screens and 19 percent coming on spot-up opportunities.

When Dwight Howard was in Orlando, Redick tilted heavily toward more pure spot-up chances, as the Magic liked to work inside-out and run everything through the post. But once Howard left, the scoring types and locations changed dramatically for Redick, as he received 33 percent of his looks off screens and 17.9 percent on spot-up chances, yet again nearly identical numbers to Allen's years with Rivers.

The sample size might be a little small, but it certainly appears Redick is capable of replicating a great deal of Allen's production if he's used in a similar manner. We know Chris Paul will find Redick open spot-up chances and that Griffin's post passing will do much of the same, but the big question seem to be whether Redick can continue to thrive as a shooter off screens and how that might look in the flow of the offense. Can a group almost entirely void of offensive structure last season shift to a more scripted style of play?

It will take a great deal of cooperation from his teammates, particularly in one area.

Setting multiple bone-crushing screens every night certainly doesn't qualify as fun, but part of what made Allen so great in his role running off screens was the plaster job Garnett regularly put on Allen's defender. Whether it was setting a simple pin-down screen or creating a wall on the baseline, Allen always had the benefit of being able to run his man into some nasty contact. For Redick to be able to enjoy the same offensive success, Griffin and DeAndre Jordan will have to make tremendous strides as screeners.

To that point, part of what made Allen great in Boston was the complete focus from the coaching staff and from every player on the court to create the best possible looks for him, essentially giving him the star treatment he deserved.

Redick might not be considered a star, but with his addition, the change of scenery for Rivers might not require a change of strategy.



http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/clippers/post/_/id/4888/can-redick-be-the-clippers-ray-allen
 
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Ten players most likely to be dealt

There are still 160 days until the 2013-14 NBA trade deadline on Feb. 20, but if last season is any guide, the biggest action might come earlier. While the 2013 deadline was relatively quiet, we saw James Harden traded in October and Rudy Gay dealt in late January -- two moves that helped shape the Western Conference heading into the playoffs. Who might be involved in this season's big trades? Let's take a look at 10 key players with a reasonable chance of wearing different uniforms.

Rajon Rondo, PG, Boston Celtics

"We're not looking to trade Rondo," president of basketball operations Danny Ainge told Bill Simmons on the BS Report last week. "We think Rondo's a big part of our future." Of course, Ainge also admitted the Celtics were close to trading Rondo to the New Orleans Hornets for Chris Paul, so we know he's not afraid to make a move if he feels like it will bring back an elite piece. As a result, and with Boston now in rebuilding mode, expect to hear plenty of rumors once Rondo returns from surgery to repair the ACL he partially ruptured last January.

Luol Deng, SF, Chicago Bulls

Extension talks between the Bulls and Deng's agent, Herb Rudoy, broke off earlier this week without resolution. That means the two-time All-Star will be an unrestricted free agent next summer and one of the best on the market.

As much as head coach Tom Thibodeau loves Deng, Chicago will have to determine how much it's willing to pay long term for a player who turns 29 in April. If the Bulls suspect Deng will get more lucrative offers elsewhere, they'll have to consider dealing him before the deadline to get some value in return, potentially even if they're contending in the East.

Andre Miller, PG, Denver Nuggets

Despite having Miller as an established backup to Ty Lawson, the Nuggets signed Nate Robinson as a free agent this summer. Much as new GM Tim Connelly insists that signing doesn't affect Miller's status, first-year head coach Brian Shaw will have a hard time finding minutes for three point guards 6-foot-2 and under. If Miller chafes at reduced playing time, a trade might be Denver's only alternative.

Omer Asik, C, Houston Rockets

Dwight Howard's arrival in Houston doesn't necessarily mean Asik's exit. The Rockets will surely experiment with playing both big men together after successfully starting Asik alongside another paint-bound player, Greg Smith, late in the regular season.

But if that combination clogs up Houston's spacing on offense, Asik is much too valuable to relegate to backing up Howard. If the Rockets can parlay him into a stretch 4 to complement Howard, GM Daryl Morey surely won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

Danny Granger, SF, Indiana Pacers

If Granger is healthy after missing nearly all of last season due to patellar tendinosis that eventually required surgery, Pacers coach Frank Vogel will have to reintegrate him delicately. Last season's starting lineup, with Lance Stephenson in place of Granger, was one of the best in the league and got Indiana within a game of the NBA Finals. Yet the Pacers' starting five was nearly as good the season before with Granger, and Stephenson could strengthen Indiana's upgraded second unit.

If the chemistry goes wrong, Granger is both an expiring contract and a potentially useful player. However, a trade will be equally tricky because of his big salary and the Pacers' inability to take on lucrative long-term contracts with star Paul George due for a big raise in 2014-15.

Zach Randolph, PF, Memphis Grizzlies

Randolph is a key player for a team that reached the Western Conference finals a season ago and moreover a major part of the Grizzlies' grit-and-grind identity. Still, don't be stunned if Memphis ends up dealing for another starting forward because of the combination of Randolph's age (32), his ability to opt out of his contract next summer and the presence of Ed Davis (a restricted free agent next summer barring an extension) on the roster as a ready-made replacement.

Jameer Nelson, PG, Orlando Magic

Both of Orlando's starting guards are possible trade candidates, but without any top young point guards on the market after Eric Bledsoe was traded to Phoenix, a deal involving Arron Afflalo seems unlikely. That leaves Nelson, the oldest member of a youthful Magic starting lineup at age 31. Nelson's 2014-15 salary is guaranteed for just $2 million, per Mark Deeks, so he's functionally an expiring contract for a team looking for a short-term upgrade at point guard for the stretch run.

Evan Turner, G/F, Philadelphia 76ers

With the 76ers effectively sitting the season out, Turner and teammate Thaddeus Young are both popular in trade rumors. While Young could be a part of the next good Philadelphia team -- the only question is whether he's too good to keep -- Turner is a different story. Even last season, when he developed a 3-point shot, Turner still posted a woeful .478 true shooting percentage.

Barring massive, rapid improvement, he's unlikely to get a new contract when he becomes a restricted free agent next summer. If some other team wants to try to rehabilitate the former No. 2 overall pick, they'll likely have a chance.

Marcin Gortat, C, Phoenix Suns

Consider Gortat the single player most likely to be traded in the entire NBA. He'll turn 30 shortly before the deadline, making him a poor fit for a rebuilding team, and is also in the final season of his contract. As a quality 7-footer, Gortat will surely have plenty of value at the deadline and could fetch the Suns another first-round pick to add to their stockpile of five over the next two drafts.

Brandon Rush, G/F, Utah Jazz

Sensing a theme here? Rush is a veteran role player with an expiring contract on a young, rebuilding team. As a 3-and-D specialist, he could help a contender off the bench, assuming he demonstrates he's fully back from a ruptured ACL that cost him nearly the entirety of the 2012-13 season.

Dealing Rush will help the Jazz recoup additional value from this summer's trade with the Golden State Warriors.
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I hope the Hawks can swing a deal for Asik or Gortat. Horford moving to the 4 could make him a 20-10 guy. Then again Gustavo Ayon could start at the 5 for us too, we'll see.
 
romedadude said:
I hope the Hawks can swing a deal for Asik or Gortat. Horford moving to the 4 could make him a 20-10 guy. Then again Gustavo Ayon could start at the 5 for us too, we'll see.
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theres no way you guys are getting asik now imo. jsmoove was our guy, hawks have nothing for asik now
 
There was a rumor going around about the Grizz offering ZBo for Eric Gordon and Jason Smith. Reportedly, the Hornets turned it down or the Grizz wanted Ryan Anderson and that was the Hornets counteroffer.

I'm sure Memphis will be moving ZBO within the next 6-8 months. A team built on efficiency is not keeping one of their most inefficient players at his age. Also, it depends on what they can get for him too.
 
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