Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[kal-el-8]

They got the potential to put something nice together when they build around those guys strengths but I have to see how they play together.

Moves look good on paper but paper doesn't factor in chemistry and all that.

Aside from the 08 celtics, none of these teams clicked right away. 2011 heat had a ton of growing pains throughout that first season and they were better then this rockets team will most likely be.

Rockets are a decently ran organization though, they'll make some moves to put a team around those guys.

All i'm saying is, maybe Dwight isn't the game changer we all thought he was.

nobody is scared of these rockets, I understand your point, i guess we'll see when the season starts, but nobody is fearing the rockets like they did the lakers back in 08-10, the celtics of 08, and miami's super team.

and i really dont think you guys are factoring in Dwights back surgery, that surgery is no joke, and I'd be surprised if he ever gets back to orlando dwight.

but i guess we'll see this season. 

 

[essential1]

LA can sign Kevin Love for all I care, Kobe with dwight and kevin love on his team is going another 4 years minimum for a shot at #6. Kobe will always demand to be the number 1 option, it's who he is, as I said before, at this point, Kobe is a cancer, he cant be the #1 guy on a championship team anymore. He's had a nice run laker fans, its time you both let go

Also, dwight left 6-8 mil at most on the table

You sure Dwight might not be a cancer as well....

And I'll just let you go look at the stats from this past year.. Kobe scored more, shot better, and had more assists than Harden.

If Kobe - Love - Dwight would be a #6 seed.... What would that make the Rockets???

By #6 I meant kobes 6th ring. That team would easily be a top 2 seed. Dwight led a team to a championship 4 years ago as a 23 year old, hes 27 now entering his prime. As I said he led a team of shooters to the finals. Harden is another young player only going to get better, Kobe is not. He averaged 1 more point on 3% better shooting and .2 more assist on a much better surrounding squad, than an upcoming james harden. I dont think we have to go over who is a more selfish player either.

Kobe shot better, had more assists, and scored more than Harden.. Unless you think Harden is now going to be 30 & 10... Saying Kobe can't be the #1, doesn't bode well for Harden at all. Those numbers won't get much better (especially his scoring and scoring efficiency).. But you're welcome to think they will.

Also Dwight is not entering his prime..

I don't know what Harden's level of selfishness is.. No one does..

 

[alphawolf]

holy ****, we need a television show hosted by bill cosby titled lakers fans say the darndest things

Not a lakers fan. Just giving my opinion. Have fun watching Howard limited offense game and brick free throws.

 

[durantula]

Lol like Howard bum *** isn't going to take shots away from Harden. Smith can give you just as many rebounds.

Houston is going to find out Howard is nothing but a rich man deandre jordan. Andre at the 3 and smith at the 4 is actually a better deal.

Lin, harden, Andre, smith, Asik. Easily wcf candidate.

Holy **** this guy doesnt stop.

They got the potential to put something nice together when they build around those guys strengths but I have to see how they play together.


Moves look good on paper but paper doesn't factor in chemistry and all that.


Aside from the 08 celtics, none of these teams clicked right away. 2011 heat had a ton of growing pains throughout that first season and they were better then this rockets team will most likely be.


Rockets are a decently ran organization though, they'll make some moves to put a team around those guys.

All i'm saying is, maybe Dwight isn't the game changer we all thought he was.
nobody is scared of these rockets, I understand your point, i guess we'll see when the season starts, but nobody is fearing the rockets like they did the lakers back in 08-10, the celtics of 08, and miami's super team.

and i really dont think you guys are factoring in Dwights back surgery, that surgery is no joke, and I'd be surprised if he ever gets back to orlando dwight.

but i guess we'll see this season. 

Well everything im saying is based on the assumption he returns to orlando mode, I think he will, hes had a full offseason to recover, he didnt have that last year.

LA can sign Kevin Love for all I care, Kobe with dwight and kevin love on his team is going another 4 years minimum for a shot at #6. Kobe will always demand to be the number 1 option, it's who he is, as I said before, at this point, Kobe is a cancer, he cant be the #1 guy on a championship team anymore. He's had a nice run laker fans, its time you both let go

Also, dwight left 6-8 mil at most on the table

You sure Dwight might not be a cancer as well....


Since I misread.. I'll re- reply.. Kobe shot better, had more assists, and scored more than Harden.. Unless you think Harden is now going to be 30 & 10... Saying Kobe can't be the #1, doesn't bode well for Harden at all.

Harden and Dwight can co-exist better IMO. Harden is a much better 3 point shooter, plus houstons surrounding squad> las surrounding squad as far as dwight being the focal point of the offense IMO of course.

 

[durantula]

Also Dwight is not entering his prime..

I don't know what Harden's level of selfishness is.. No one does..

I mean, hes not exiting it...

regardless of his level of slefishness, its not kobes.

 

[mister friendly]

durantula is going really hard for Howard acting like they got 1996 Shaq

Dwight is boom or bust

 

[durantula]

durantula is going really hard for Howard acting like they got 1996 Shaq

Dwight is boom or bust

Im going hard for him because I feel as if hes being misjudged, I have high expectations, but I dont expect anything shaq like offensively from him

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

Durantula is going to be disappointed.

Dwight's free throws is not going to help either.

 

[alphawolf]

Orlando form Howard can barely stop a soft gasol. Good luck getting exposed by team like Memphis and okc. Don't forget perkin will d up Dwight and makes him mad. Houston is a second round team at best. If harden doesn't flop and get to the line he's just as bad as jr smith.

 

[durantula]

Durantula is going to be disappointed.

Dwight's free throws is not going to help either.

Doubt it, Im not on some championship or bust unless we get an all star 3rd player, especially in this first year, I dont expect it too look like last years lakers tho.

 

[durantula]

Orlando form Howard can barely stop a soft gasol. Good luck getting exposed by team like Memphis and okc. Don't forget perkin will d up Dwight and makes him mad. Houston is a second round team at best. If harden doesn't flop and get to the line he's just as bad as jr smith.

AND HE KEEPS GOING!!!!!!

 

[mister friendly]

durantula is going really hard for Howard acting like they got 1996 Shaq

Dwight is boom or bust

Im going hard for him because I feel as if hes being misjudged, I have high expectations, but I dont expect anything shaq like offensively from him

I could see Dwight and Harden winning 2 championships together but I could also see them turning in 2013 Manu/Lebron 2011 NBA Finals type performances.

Its hard to tell with those guys

 

[dt43]

Best part of the article isn't the fact that other Lakers players would tell Kobe about Dwight's shenanigans.. Which shows you who had more fans in the locker room.

But the fact he wanted Phil, but wanted to avoid criticism... Mike D'Antoni is the most sarcastic human being ever, but he treated Dwight with kid gloves... Phil would have openly crushed his spirit.

Dwight wanted everyone to love him, and I get that desire. But the second he left Orlando to play in the big lights (whether NY his first choice or LA), and then left LA because they wouldn't hold back on criticism.. It only 100% confirms the person everyone knows him to be.

Ya, thats why he left

Go back and read Woj's article... There are many reasons, but the biggest came through expectations, demand.

Just like Magic fans and casual observers warned LA last year.... You'll get those same warnings.

So I read the article, and ya I highly doubt he left because "they wouldnt hold back on criticsim" Houston offers him a better chance at a ship then LA by a long shot.

yes and no. in the long run, LA can simply kill free agency next year and be right back at it. i think it was more his lack of a relationship with kobe and d'antoni. he basically took 30 million less to leave them behind. can't say i blame him on the kobe front. this is the same kobe that was openly calling him out in the media throughout the year when dwight was hurt

LA can sign Kevin Love for all I care, Kobe with dwight and kevin love on his team is going another 4 years minimum for a shot at #6. Kobe will always demand to be the number 1 option, it's who he is, as I said before, at this point, Kobe is a cancer, he cant be the #1 guy on a championship team anymore. He's had a nice run laker fans, its time you both let go

Also, dwight left 6-8 mil at most on the table

A player with 5 championships is a cancer..?

 

[durantula]

Best part of the article isn't the fact that other Lakers players would tell Kobe about Dwight's shenanigans.. Which shows you who had more fans in the locker room.

But the fact he wanted Phil, but wanted to avoid criticism... Mike D'Antoni is the most sarcastic human being ever, but he treated Dwight with kid gloves... Phil would have openly crushed his spirit.

Dwight wanted everyone to love him, and I get that desire. But the second he left Orlando to play in the big lights (whether NY his first choice or LA), and then left LA because they wouldn't hold back on criticism.. It only 100% confirms the person everyone knows him to be.

Ya, thats why he left

Go back and read Woj's article... There are many reasons, but the biggest came through expectations, demand.

Just like Magic fans and casual observers warned LA last year.... You'll get those same warnings.

So I read the article, and ya I highly doubt he left because "they wouldnt hold back on criticsim" Houston offers him a better chance at a ship then LA by a long shot.

yes and no. in the long run, LA can simply kill free agency next year and be right back at it. i think it was more his lack of a relationship with kobe and d'antoni. he basically took 30 million less to leave them behind. can't say i blame him on the kobe front. this is the same kobe that was openly calling him out in the media throughout the year when dwight was hurt

LA can sign Kevin Love for all I care, Kobe with dwight and kevin love on his team is going another 4 years minimum for a shot at #6. Kobe will always demand to be the number 1 option, it's who he is, as I said before, at this point, Kobe is a cancer, he cant be the #1 guy on a championship team anymore. He's had a nice run laker fans, its time you both let go

Also, dwight left 6-8 mil at most on the table

A player with 5 championships is a cancer..?

Ive clarified this twice already, Im talking about now, not in 09, and not when he was going on streaks of dropping 50 straight, now and looking forward.

**** that learn how to read before you call me out. Ill even bold it for you...

 

[alphawolf]

Cant wait to see Dwight winning close games for Houston. #clutch

 

[durantula]

Cant wait to see Dwight winning close games for Houston. #clutch

It sucks thats we dont have josh smith, that guy + 4th quarter=buckets

 

[mister friendly]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said

But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

 

[alphawolf]

Houston will be alright though. They get to sell tickets. Not too shabby from a business point of view considering they're not going to win the west anyway.

Btw Charles lied on nba tv. Houston is an ugly southern city. You would have to pay me to live in that ghetto of a city.

 

[durantula]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said

But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

By cancer, I dont mean how gilbert was a cancer to the wizards, I mean Kobe is a cancer to any championship aspirations that the Lakers hope to achieve, with an aging, selfish, coming off an injury, kobe I dont see any way he wins a ship being a number 1 option, even number 2 is a reach, he'd have to be in a wade esque position with a stacked team around him and another star player IMO.

What I said earlier about Kobe letting go, it hurts because the loyalty between him and the lakers will probably hold this team back 3-4 more years, then if he retired or the lakers let him go. Damn near identical situation with Dirk and the mavs. Its sad to see but you gotta respect the loyalty.

 

[kal-el-8]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said

But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

This

Kobe gets nothing but love from young up and coming players cuz of his work ethic, demeanor on the court, and well just cuz he's kobe..

but cats on nt act like hes a cancer, selfish, arrogant, allll that..

Can't wait for kobe to destroy the rockets this season, all while putting his nuts in dwights face for the second time. 

 

[alphawolf]

It sucks thats we dont have josh smith, that guy + 4th quarter=buckets

Way better than Dwight in the 4th for sure. Team can actually steal a game or two by fouling and sending Howard to the line lol.

 

[durantula]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said


But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

This
Kobe gets nothing but love from young up and coming players cuz of his work ethic, demeanor on the court, and well just cuz he's kobe..

but cats on nt act like hes a cancer, selfish, arrogant, allll that..



Can't wait for kobe to destroy the rockets this season, all while putting his nuts in dwights face for the second time. 

I will say hes a great role model for younger players. By cancer I mean to championship aspirations. **** if your content with getting a prime player next year and being a 2nd round exit for the next few years then kobe is your guy. LA will get destroyed by Houston next year, Houston will sweep the season series unless an injury or resting players take place.

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said


But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

This
Kobe gets nothing but love from young up and coming players cuz of his work ethic, demeanor on the court, and well just cuz he's kobe..

but cats on nt act like hes a cancer, selfish, arrogant, allll that..



Can't wait for kobe to destroy the rockets this season, all while putting his nuts in dwights face for the second time. 

What you mean second time?

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[durantula]

It sucks thats we dont have josh smith, that guy + 4th quarter=buckets

Way better than Dwight in the 4th for sure. Team can actually steal a game or two by fouling and sending Howard to the line lol.

Well, this will be my last rebuttal to you dwight is by far better than smith and iggy, and were actually a threat now, maybe not a big one, but you cant sleep on us. With lin harden iggy smith asik and parsons, we're a bigger joke than the clippers.

Dwight by himself can have a bigger impact on a season than iggy and smith together can ever dream to have.

 

[durantula]

Thats even worst, if you said young Kobe was bad and selfish, ok I don't agree with it but ok I could maybe see how it could be said


But to say currently that Kobe is a bad influence on the Lakers now is beyond ridiculous.

This
Kobe gets nothing but love from young up and coming players cuz of his work ethic, demeanor on the court, and well just cuz he's kobe..

but cats on nt act like hes a cancer, selfish, arrogant, allll that..



Can't wait for kobe to destroy the rockets this season, all while putting his nuts in dwights face for the second time. 

What you mean second time?

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