all it would have took was a 30 second conversation and the fight would have never happened
its totally on batman, dude is obsessed with superman yet is not willing to have a simple conversation with him to understand why superman has it out for him?Clark was trying to explain, but Bruce's traps kept interrupting him, and then he was weakened by Kryptonite for the first time ever and he had to go into survival mode. Homeboy was never given the chance to state his case before he started catching a whoopin'.all it would have took was a 30 second conversation and the fight would have never happened
Saw it earlier today, my review in spoiler........
Definitely happy with the product. Started off a little rough, I was worried for a few minutes, bit choppy and seriously, how many times I gotta see Thomas and Martha Wayne die? Was half expecting to see Uncle Ben catch a stray in the next scene, Christ.
About 20 minutes in, it started to settle down and get on with the point. In a sense, I liked "some" of the first 20 minutes, like showing what the aftermath of MOS was, seeing Bruce Wayne (not Batman) charge into the city to try and help, that was outstanding. True heroism, and sketchy 9/11ish flashbacks. Not gadget well protected Bats, but wearin a suit playboy Bruce drivin towards total destruction without a care in the world for his own well being, only his employees/the city/people.
I believe the special bullet issue had something to do with Lex trying to find ways/tech to bring down Superman. He was experimenting or something, maybe for future Kryptonite usage I assume?
We got to see a little of the detective Bruce when he seeking out the Russian, and also the fighting skill when he tells that guy how to beat his opponent.
I knew watching that people who didn't like the Lex casting to begin with wouldn't change their mind, but I fully expected everyone to 180 on Wonder Woman, why? She's hot.
Pretty sure Clark learned who Bruce was from the convo at the party he could hear. I think that's how he knew at the end Batman's true identity. As for Lex, he's a flat out genius and has a ton of connections, he simply absorbed knowledge, much like we saw when he entered the ship and told it to proceed with teaching him anything and everything.
In general, I liked the little Easter Egg type files on the meta humans, but the slow scroll, sentence by sentence from Diana was a little off.
I was a little stunned at Bats throwin glocks around, but I'm fine with it. Dude in a rubber suit risks his billionaire life every single night to fight 53 bad guys armed with weaponry and he needs to be concerned with their safety and well being at all times?
Really interested in the world likes Supes, doesn't trust Supes, mourns Supes again. That's real. Just like the opinions of these movies, the world doesn't know what to do with itself. Can't make up its own mind.
Really, really cool move by Lex blowing up the Senate building.I knew the chair was bad, but not like that. And Lex sending in his own assistant.
Means to an end, always. Lex cares only about his own goals, no matter the collateral damage. He and Joker would be a dynamic duo I'd pay to see.
The fight scenes between Bats-Supes, just pifffffff. Dreams in the flesh.
Bruce's crazy dreams were really cool based on him being an elder Bruce. Def worn down and weary. The scenes with him and Alfred were also great.
In fact, Alfred, Marth Kent, and Pa Kent were all well done scenes. The elders bestowing wisdom on the Heroes seeking their paths. Bats has tried to leave the life, Supes wasn't sure if he should, and then if he should continue, Diana bailed for a century. Heroes wanting out, still need guidance in some capacity, they don't have all the answers, no matter how well they mean, or how experienced they are. As I sat there, I KNEW people would get riled over Costner appearing and talking "this is so stupid, lame, pointless, etc" But I liked his message, same as I did MOS. Same with Ma Kent, "you don't owe these people anything"
Lois throwing the spear in the water was lacking a little, but, in a pinch, she was just trying to get rid of it for that moment I suppose. Nowhere she could really go to hide that thing forever, ya know? But they shouldn't have wasted that time trying to come up with something. Shoulda just left it off to the side, and then Supes goes for it for the kill.
Did like the way they teamed up tho. The trio worked together to take out Doomsday, and that's something Marvel hasn't done right yet, they just kill hundreds of faceless villains without breaking a sweat. These guys quickly teamed up to do work.
Doomsday was wasted because of that trailer........they should have withheld that one.I didn't really care for him either way, but it would have played so much better as a surprise of some sort.
The Superman coffin
Bruce sayin he has a feelin they need the other Meta's had to be from the Flash dream sequence.
Gal was a damn dime for sure, and she havin that look on her face of satisfaction fighting was pretty amusing.
I saw some askin why Supes didn't just tell Bats about his mom, he tried, but Bruce had set all the traps and that eventually just got Supes back on track to fight him. He had just told Lois, "I need his help or have to kill him to save my mom" (why Supes didn't just go save her himself, that I don't know, maybe he was just caught off guard Lex knew about her?) Either way, he tried to tell Bruce he was done fighting him and wanted to work together, or something.
Bats completely losing his **** when he mentions Martha was awesome. Shows how crazy he really is, but also how simple Supes is. He wasn't after world domination, he was a boy tryin to save his mom. Humanity.
It probably could have shaved a few minutes off, and tightened up some of the early pacing, but it really didn't ever feel long, or dragging to me, it just simply threw a lot stuff in. If you want to add the JL parts, take out Perry and Daily Planet stuff. Shave some of the Holly Hunter scenes, etc.
We already saw RDJ/Iron Man in a courtroom, but that was without the tin can. Seeing the actual Superman walk into a Senate meeting and face the world was
It's weird, but it didn't FEEL like a Snyder film. MOS absolutely did, this one felt a little more Nolanish if he'd been drinking maybe. Not as complete as Nolan usually is, but it wasn't all Snyderized. Minus a couple shots here and there, savin the little girl, the village reachin out to him, the dream gargoyle stuff, little Bruce floating with the bats, and of course the slow mo walking in fields and stuff.
The final battle happening on an abandoned island.
I know for a fact it will get picked apart by NT, I can only imagine how bad it's gonna get in here, but I thought it was solid as hell. Perfect? Naw. Certainly not perfect, but it was well done, well performed, and well shot for the most part. People will praise the **** out of Mad Max, but clown this one because of technical aspects and camera placements.
6.5/8
Yep, same ones from the MOS thread, wait til Zik actually sees the film when he's done giving opinions the last couple days without even watchin it yet.
I've seen this thread before.
fight the good fight This. Seriously all of this.
Yep, here we go. Exact same MOS thread, "This isn't Superman".
We knew it was coming tho. Months in the making.
The irony
There's NO WAY I'm walking into a theater for this movie now... #sadfleck
The irony
aahhhh. not worth it
its just going around in circles
SON.
