DC Studios THREAD - GunnVerse Begins - Chapter ONE: Gods & Monsters

[Master Zik]

I kinda think it was a little too early for DC to do suicide squad. I think it would have made more sense for us to get our first taste of this new joker and harley in a solo Batman film.
They could have even had the other villains introduced in the upcoming DC films.

Agreed, but DC is stuck on trying to catch up with Marvel. They've ****** up their lineup as a result. Only 2 solo films before Justice League? Superman dead in the second film? Suicide Squad in the first 5 films? A Cyborg film?

Okay so yeah they did. I think we all can acknowledge DC skipped steps in establishing their shared cinematic universe in an attempt to flourish at the rate Marvel did and failed.

Watching that vid and thinking on it, I feel like instead of skipping steps they should've just rushed some. Its probably the only other option.

Once MOS came out and they were happy with the #s it did (despite mixed reviews and fan reaction) we all assumed a sequel was coming and maybe they announce some other solo movie. They even had us thinking that for a while MOS2 was coming but then they went left and had to come with BvS

What they should've done was just rush the steps of a shared universe and drop 2 movies in 2015. I mean MOS came out in 2013 and due to fear they didn't release BvS in 2015 and pushed it back a whole year (maybe to tack on another hour for that ultimate cut). That was a **** up.

Maybe they don't have their JL cast yet but they had WW and apparently black dude playing Cyborg on standby so **** it those movies should've been made. They also had their Batffleck. Also they should've never scrapped JL Dark with Del Torro. Something has to be filming in 2014 so you have movies coming out in 2015. I dunno, actually do the MOS sequel? You only need 2 movies to hold you over until BvS. The shorter gap in between movies the quicker you can wash the bad taste out of your mind if any are bad (hoping/barring you don't just make a string of bad movies).

The problem appears WB/DC wants to skip steps and take their time micromanaging. That's the only reason they could afford pushing BvS back a year or even have time to do a shakeup recently to put Geoff Johns in charge. Cuz on a bullet train they ain't no time for delays. You want to reach a certain point you gotta be able to adapt and change quickly.

They could be 5 movies in to their universe instead of 3. And this year they should've been releasing 3 movies a year; Flash or Cyborg (just get it over with cuz setting it for 2020 means it won't actually happen) comes out this Oct. or Nov. Then in 2017 you get Shazam or the JLD sequel in March before WW and JL.

Instead ppl will be waiting until next June, hoping WW will be great cuz of her cameo in BvS and then another Snyder movie.

--Geesh, ya'll dudes different, I swear. The slightest bit of a differing opinion and you want to curl up into a corner and start tossing around false descriptors.

FACTS!

comic movie/characters are not meant to be campy, corny, cringeworthy...

talks bout her deleted scenes wit joker... shame

Wait you didn't like SS either? Damn.

 

[Mr Dink]

Just came back from Suicide Squad and thought it was terrible. **** was basically Independence Day.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Will surprised me on this one, thought he was gonna be extra goofy but he actually nailed this one. Great to see his Deadshot/Floyd sides

Harley/Enchantress last interaction :\

5/8

**** was so damn cheesy.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

The biggest plot hole in this movie is that the US secret service using Samsung devices...the government will NEVER use Android. Too open source. That actually really irked me throughout the movie.

Damn you product placement.

Also, the writers took a ton of shortcuts in this movie. Convenient plot holes and all.

I work for city government and we've switched from Blackberry to Android. Seems like that might be the way things are heading if it isn't there already.

 

[District of Columbia]

Most federal LEs use IPhones

 

[blakep267]

I don't see anything wrong with their release line up. Man of Steel and Wonder Woman will have already released before JL. And
Batman doesn't need anymore introductory movies, plus we kinda got that in BVS. They will have had 3 mainline and 1 side movie before they release their team up film

Cyborg aqua man and flash are likely going to play backseat to them. They are going to shoehorn Cyborg into the Flash movie. No way dudes getting his own film. Then you have the

- solo batman film
- Aquaman( which could be dope)
- Man of Steel 2
- Suicide squad 2 somewhere in there
- Green Lantern Corps

The 2 movies that I don't see happening are Shazam and Cyborg. I know the Rock is popular but I'd rather see Shazam in a JL movie than a Solo

 

[noblekane]

rock is a box office draw

 

[Grine]

Most federal LEs use IPhones

Like SS, CIA, FBI?

I thought they were in a battle against Apple as we speak about security as it relates to iPhone.

The irony.

I know personally working in I.T. on the state side, android is use...

 

[pmatic]

iOS been deployed on the Navy side for a little over a year now, I think.

 

[va757va]

Wait...so i read in here people would like to see a performance like Loki or hawk eye?!?

Loki and hawk eye were already pretty average in the movies they played in. I don't get how either would enhance SS...

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It still baffles me that people with the most to say still haven't seen the movie. It just doesn't make sense to me.

When all my friends sitting there quoting Harlem nights, and I'm the only one that's never seen it, I sit there quiet. Lol. I don't give my 2 cents anyways even tho I've never seen it . How can I!!!?!????!?

 

[shogun]

Why the hell was Harley Quinn involved at all !!?!

What the hell is she going to do if another Kryptonian showed up

The whole set up and Premise of them forming the team was ridiculous ..all of them Sans maybe Diablo would get washed if Zod and Faora showed up

When Harley was fighting the enchantress with the bat..

Yeah, I was wondering how people without powers will handle fighting those with powers / abilities. Harley was doing work with her bat and guns though. What can joker do to the members of justice league who aren't batman? They'll have to write the story a certain way and give him weapons that make him a threat to metahumans.

 

[beansietime]

Yeah, I was wondering how people without powers will handle fighting those with powers / abilities. Harley was doing work with her bat and guns though. What can joker do to the members of justice league who aren't batman? They'll have to write the story a certain way and give him weapons that make him a threat to metahumans.

joker can't even stand up to batman though, he's not gonna one on one fight superman in one of these movies, he's gonna do something to mess them up, like make him choose between saving his mom or saving lois or some other joker type nonsense like that.

 

[shogun]

Jeremy Irons / Alfred would wash him with the quickness.

He'll probably plant dirty / toxic bombs all over a city or hold school kids hostage somewhere.

 

[headdetective]

Joker aint got no hands.

 

[niketalker23]

Thoroughly enjoyed the movie.

 

[jays25]

Wait...so i read in here people would like to see a performance like Loki or hawk eye?!?

Loki and hawk eye were already pretty average in the movies they played in. I don't get how either would enhance SS...

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It still baffles me that people with the most to say still haven't seen the movie. It just doesn't make sense to me.

When all my friends sitting there quoting Harlem nights, and I'm the only one that's never seen it, I sit there quiet. Lol. I don't give my 2 cents anyways even tho I've never seen it . How can I!!!?!????!?

My man go see Harlem Nights.

Why the hell was Harley Quinn involved at all !!?!

What the hell is she going to do if another Kryptonian showed up

The whole set up and Premise of them forming the team was ridiculous ..all of them Sans maybe Diablo would get washed if Zod and Faora showed up

When Harley was fighting the enchantress with the bat..

Yeah, I was wondering how people without powers will handle fighting those with powers / abilities. Harley was doing work with her bat and guns though. What can joker do to the members of justice league who aren't batman? They'll have to write the story a certain way and give him weapons that make him a threat to metahumans.

Whatever the writers want him to

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[cruzzz]

 

Yeah, I was wondering how people without powers will handle fighting those with powers / abilities. Harley was doing work with her bat and guns though. What can joker do to the members of justice league who aren't batman? They'll have to write the story a certain way and give him weapons that make him a threat to metahumans.

joker can't even stand up to batman though, he's not gonna one on one fight superman in one of these movies, he's gonna do something to mess them up, like make him choose between saving his mom or saving lois or some other joker type nonsense like that.

This reminded me how Current Lex Luthor was more similar to Ledger's Joker than the current Joker is 

 

[rfx45]

 

[7th Chamber]

Review from John Ostrander:

http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

As we start, I think you should know my biases. I think you should know any critics’ bias. Myself, I use them mostly as consumer reporters. If I find a critic whose tastes largely coincide with mine, I tend to trust them more. The late great Roger Ebert was one. Knowing who is giving you their opinion is important; what does their opinion matter if you don’t trust them?

Regarding the Suicide Squad movie, well, I’m biased. I’m prejudiced. I have a vested interest in its success. I want it to succeed. However, if I didn’t like it, I’d be more likely just to keep my trap shut.

My trap is open.

I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I’ve seen in superhero movies before.

Chief for me were the performances, starting with Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. All the other characters in the Squad, both the comic and the movie, were created by others. In the comic especially I would re-define and expand on them but they were established characters. Amanda Waller was my creation and Viola Davis embodied her to perfection. I was happy when she was cast, I was delighted when I saw her in the trailers, and I was ecstatic when I saw her in the film. Davis has Amanda’s voice, her look, and her attitude. I was delighted at the after-party when I got a chance to see her face-to-face and tell her how much I enjoyed her performance.

Next up is Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. She is sexy, innocent, funny, lethal, crazy and dangerous. And she’s a thief – she steals just about every scene she’s in.

Let’s look at Will Smith as Deadshot. Some folks have objected that he’s not my Deadshot. No, he isn’t and that’s just fine by me. My Deadshot was not the character as he had been created or portrayed prior to my appropriating him for the Squad. Gail Simone’s version was not exactly my version either. You don’t expect two actors who play the same character in different versions to be identical so why expect those versions in different stories to be identical? Smith did a great job – intense, cynical, with a weak spot for his daughter (although I thought their last scene together had a disturbing element). Smith is a fine actor and one of the world’s biggest stars; he sure as hell wasn’t slumming here and he made Deadshot his own – which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

Last paragraph, I talked about you wouldn’t expect two actors playing the same character in different stories to give identical performances. That really applies to Jared Leto as the Joker. He crafted an entirely new version of the character from the late Heath Ledger’s portrayal in The Dark Knight. That’s absolutely necessary and it’s a different look. Like Pygmalion, he creates a woman that he can love; in this case, it’s Harley Quinn. If we accept his love for her (and her love for him) as genuine, does that make him less of a sociopath? Ledger’s Joker loved no one except, perhaps, Batman. He’s no less strange or deadly but his entire plotline revolves around being re-united with Harley.

Jay Hernandez has a significant role as Diablo and I would have liked to see more of the character. He has a terrific and horrifying back-story but this is a character who is trying to do good even as (I think) he believes he is beyond redemption.

Likewise, I would have liked to see more of Jai Courtney as Boomerang. As Christopher Walken says of cowbell, you can never have too much Boomerang. He’s very much as I wrote him in the Squad – he knows what he is and he likes it. In that respect, Boomerang is very well adjusted. Which is scary.

There’s a surprising theme running through the movie; there is a lot about love. Joker and Harley’s love, yes; Deadshot’s love for his daughter; Diablo’s love (and guilt and remorse) for his family; Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman)’s love for June Moone (Cara Delevingne) while June’s alter ego, the Enchantress, appears to love her brother. Katana (Karen Fukuhara) loves her dead husband and carries his soul in her blade (OK, a lot of the relationships are not the healthiest in this film). Even with Amanda there’s a brief phone call and there’s tenderness and love for whoever she’s speaking with. Love shapes and forms a lot of the characters and they, in turn, mold the story.

Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It’s the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic “we have to save the world” than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality.

I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my Squad stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don’t see that here.

That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is The Dirty Dozen with supervillains and that’s my concept. They did that and did it well.

I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That’s okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and “tentpole” films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it – they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters.

If every superhero film is not The Dark Knight, they’ll *****. I think that’s going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

My late wife, Kim Yale, was a movie critic for a while for a small suburban newspaper in the Chicago area and I went with her to some of the movie screenings. Don’t tell me that some of the critics didn’t come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it.

As for some of the online haters – if a film doesn’t fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female Ghostbusters, a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in Suicide Squad and is terrific) – these are all sins and must be decried.

Give me a ******* break.

Look, you can be the most important critic on Suicide Squad. In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn’t like it but you don’t have to. I won’t mind.

If the film is financially successful (and, from what I’ve seen as this review is being written, it’s on track for a pretty good opening weekend), then Warners will be encouraged to do a sequel. And I hope they do. They made a good film this time and I believe they’ll do it even better next time around.

It’s your call.

Hit the nail on the head here I think.

Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

 

[7th Chamber]

Regarding Robin in the DCEU:

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[headdetective]

I noticed they flashed that quick as hell

 

[7th Chamber]

I noticed they flashed that quick as hell

Yeah, I actually missed it the first time around, but caught it during my second watch. They probably wanted it to be an Easter egg so that's why they flashed it so quick.

 

[bigsupa]

Heard the movie sucks..

Saw it last night and left entertained.

I liked it.

I guess ppl assumed it was a Harley N Joker story.

 

[cruzzz]

 

I noticed they flashed that quick as hell

Yeah, I actually missed it the first time around, but caught it during my second watch. They probably wanted it to be an Easter egg so that's why they flashed it so quick.

I guess this could be reason to have the suicide squad film released now. I wonder how if the audience would have been able to side with them after watching them commit acts of evil, like murdering robin.

 

[paulwest1985]

Review from John Ostrander:

http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/
 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

As we start, I think you should know my biases. I think you should know any critics’ bias. Myself, I use them mostly as consumer reporters. If I find a critic whose tastes largely coincide with mine, I tend to trust them more. The late great Roger Ebert was one. Knowing who is giving you their opinion is important; what does their opinion matter if you don’t trust them?

Regarding the Suicide Squad movie, well, I’m biased. I’m prejudiced. I have a vested interest in its success. I want it to succeed. However, if I didn’t like it, I’d be more likely just to keep my trap shut.

My trap is open.

I really liked the film. Not perfect by a long shot, but a really good time in the movie theater. And for me a lot of it was just amazing. The look, the detail, the feel of the film is not something I’ve seen in superhero movies before.

Chief for me were the performances, starting with Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. All the other characters in the Squad, both the comic and the movie, were created by others. In the comic especially I would re-define and expand on them but they were established characters. Amanda Waller was my creation and Viola Davis embodied her to perfection. I was happy when she was cast, I was delighted when I saw her in the trailers, and I was ecstatic when I saw her in the film. Davis has Amanda’s voice, her look, and her attitude. I was delighted at the after-party when I got a chance to see her face-to-face and tell her how much I enjoyed her performance.

Next up is Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. She is sexy, innocent, funny, lethal, crazy and dangerous. And she’s a thief – she steals just about every scene she’s in.

Let’s look at Will Smith as Deadshot. Some folks have objected that he’s not my Deadshot. No, he isn’t and that’s just fine by me. My Deadshot was not the character as he had been created or portrayed prior to my appropriating him for the Squad. Gail Simone’s version was not exactly my version either. You don’t expect two actors who play the same character in different versions to be identical so why expect those versions in different stories to be identical? Smith did a great job – intense, cynical, with a weak spot for his daughter (although I thought their last scene together had a disturbing element). Smith is a fine actor and one of the world’s biggest stars; he sure as hell wasn’t slumming here and he made Deadshot his own – which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

Last paragraph, I talked about you wouldn’t expect two actors playing the same character in different stories to give identical performances. That really applies to Jared Leto as the Joker. He crafted an entirely new version of the character from the late Heath Ledger’s portrayal in The Dark Knight. That’s absolutely necessary and it’s a different look. Like Pygmalion, he creates a woman that he can love; in this case, it’s Harley Quinn. If we accept his love for her (and her love for him) as genuine, does that make him less of a sociopath? Ledger’s Joker loved no one except, perhaps, Batman. He’s no less strange or deadly but his entire plotline revolves around being re-united with Harley.

Jay Hernandez has a significant role as Diablo and I would have liked to see more of the character. He has a terrific and horrifying back-story but this is a character who is trying to do good even as (I think) he believes he is beyond redemption.

Likewise, I would have liked to see more of Jai Courtney as Boomerang. As Christopher Walken says of cowbell, you can never have too much Boomerang. He’s very much as I wrote him in the Squad – he knows what he is and he likes it. In that respect, Boomerang is very well adjusted. Which is scary.

There’s a surprising theme running through the movie; there is a lot about love. Joker and Harley’s love, yes; Deadshot’s love for his daughter; Diablo’s love (and guilt and remorse) for his family; Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman)’s love for June Moone (Cara Delevingne) while June’s alter ego, the Enchantress, appears to love her brother. Katana (Karen Fukuhara) loves her dead husband and carries his soul in her blade (OK, a lot of the relationships are not the healthiest in this film). Even with Amanda there’s a brief phone call and there’s tenderness and love for whoever she’s speaking with. Love shapes and forms a lot of the characters and they, in turn, mold the story.

Are their problems with the film? Sure. The antagonist(s) are not well defined and, to my mind, you need a good antagonist to help define the protagonist(s). It’s the antagonist who usually sets the plot in motion and it is defined by what they want. The story is a little more generic “we have to save the world” than I usually did; I always liked having one foot squarely in reality.

I also liked having a political and/or social edge in my Squad stories. That would also give a greater feel of reality and I don’t see that here.

That said, my artistic DNA is all over the place. This is The Dirty Dozen with supervillains and that’s my concept. They did that and did it well.

I know some of the critics, both in print and online, do not like the movie. That’s okay; everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong. My problem is that, at least with some of the media reviews, is that the critic is also tired of superhero and “tentpole” films and, overtly or covertly, would like to see their end. Look, I get it – they have to see all the films out there and they must be tired of all the blockbusters.

If every superhero film is not The Dark Knight, they’ll *****. I think that’s going on here to a certain degree. Just as I came prepared to love the movie, they came prepared to hate it.

My late wife, Kim Yale, was a movie critic for a while for a small suburban newspaper in the Chicago area and I went with her to some of the movie screenings. Don’t tell me that some of the critics didn’t come with pre-conceived attitudes to some films. I know better. I saw and heard it.

As for some of the online haters – if a film doesn’t fit their pre-conceived notion, it is wrong. Female Ghostbusters, a black Deadshot, Ben Affleck as Batman (Affleck, by the way, does cameos as both Batman and Bruce Wayne in Suicide Squad and is terrific) – these are all sins and must be decried.

Give me a ******* break.

Look, you can be the most important critic on Suicide Squad. In this case, your voice is your money. You decide if you want to see the movie and then go. If you like it, tell others. I guess you could also tell them if you didn’t like it but you don’t have to. I won’t mind.

If the film is financially successful (and, from what I’ve seen as this review is being written, it’s on track for a pretty good opening weekend), then Warners will be encouraged to do a sequel. And I hope they do. They made a good film this time and I believe they’ll do it even better next time around.

It’s your call.

Hit the nail on the head here I think.

That review by Ostrander is spot on. And those barbs about the critics was too.