***OFFICIAL NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SEASON THREAD*** (13-4) - Patriots @ Broncos - Sun 3:05PM EST - Bra

im loving everyone freaking out about this Ravens game . these two teams are not the same that met up in the AFC 'ship game two years ago . Let's not forget we bodied them 41-17 last year in Baltimore

this team will be jacked up , coming off a bye and as healthy as i can remember going into the playoffs in a long time
 
Good luck to you Pats fan's. Hopefully it will be an entertaining game and that the Raven's will pull it off.
 
while i'm cautiously confident, listening to sports talk radio is pretty fun. it sounds like the sky is falling in NE :lol:

we're built to win this game this time around...absolutely built to do it. i just hope our offensive line shows up and brady is able to get them in a good spot to pick up that pass rush. block for brady and we'll run away with this game.

on the other side of the ball, the defense is built to not get killed by Joe like in the past.
 
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Even though this is a much different Pats team than years past and like DSA said, they're built to win this type of game and a heathy Gronk is an absolute game changer, I'm still nervous like crazy about this game.

With that being said, once they get past Baltimore, I think their ticket is punched for the Super Bowl.
 
long read but pretty good stuff. logan :pimp:


Updated: January 5, 10:00 AM ET
Mankins watching Pats from afar
By Jackie MacMullan
ESPNBoston.com

TAMPA, Fla. -- The NFL playoffs began this weekend, and Logan Mankins was watching.

This is not an unusual trend, since during his long and decorated career as the mainstay of the offensive line for the New England Patriots, Mankins often had the first week of the postseason off because his team had secured a first-round bye.

The difference this time around is when the Patriots host the Baltimore Ravens on Saturday, Mankins will be watching that, too. His season is over, a demoralizing 2-14 campaign with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that came to an underwhelming end amid charges of the team tanking in the final game, in which the Bucs pulled many of their starters in the second half of a 23-20 loss to the New Orleans Saints. That defeat assured Tampa Bay the No. 1 pick in the draft.

The notion of tanking flies in the face of Mankins' dossier, which was predicated on toughness, resilience and, above all, continuity and professionalism.

The shocking decision by the Patriots to deal their six-time Pro Bowl guard two days before the final exhibition game left Mankins reeling. He threw some clothes in a bag and hopped a flight to Florida, reluctantly leaving behind his wife and his four children ranging in age from 4 to 14 for the entire season.

"Oh yeah, it's been hard," Mankins said in a late December interview. "It's been a long, tough year."

When New England approached Mankins about taking a pay cut from his $6.25 million salary, he knew it could signal his demise with the Patriots. In his first extensive comments since his departure, Mankins revealed he was willing to rework his salary.

"I was open to the idea," he said. "It was a just a matter of how much. We couldn't agree on that.

"What they offered wasn't good for me and what I wanted wasn't good for them.

"And you know when you don't [rework the deal], something can happen."

Mankins started every game he played for the Patriots and played an entire season on a torn ACL. He engaged in a lengthy holdout in 2010 over a contract dispute and was slapped with the franchise tag before agreeing to a six-year, $51 million deal that paid him a $20 million signing bonus in August 2011.

He understands football is a business. It was the fact the Patriots chose to trade him just before the season began that bothered him the most.

"Looking back on it now, especially in my case, the timing of it was very disappointing," Mankins said. "If it happened during free agency, that would have been a lot different.

"But the timing of how I left was the hardest part."

Mankins said he had just finished practice on Aug. 26 when he was told coach Bill Belichick wanted to see him. Mankins didn't immediately jump to conclusions.

"I get called in a lot, actually, to discuss this and that," Mankins said. "So I wasn't really sure. But when you get called in that time of year, you have to know there's a chance something is up."

The news he was being traded from a Super Bowl contender to a rebuilding team took some time to absorb, although the move was hardly unprecedented for the Patriots. Richard Seymour, also a Pro Bowl player who engaged in a contract dispute, was moved to Oakland as he approached his declining years. Wildly popular linebacker Mike Vrabel was shipped to Kansas City after he asked to rework his deal. Receiver Wes Welker tried and failed to negotiate a deal in advance of free agency and later signed with Denver.

"You can always disagree with your bosses and I did -- lots of times," Mankins said. "There were a lot of great players up there I was really sad to see go, guys like Vrabel and Welker, who were not just friends but guys who did so much for us on the field. They were guys who made sacrifices, and you wanted them on your side."

As Mankins departed, Belichick lauded him as "the best guard I've ever coached." His shocked teammates tempered their frustration per company policy, although quarterback Tom Brady found a unique way to express his solidarity by growing a bushy Mankins beard for the Week 1 game against Miami.

"That was great," Mankins said. "I talked to each one of the guys before I left, and the things they said to me meant a lot."

Close friend Dan Connolly was awarded Mankins' captaincy, a fitting passing of the torch. It was Mankins who invited Connolly and his wife to holiday and summer gatherings and helped him acclimate to his new surroundings when he arrived in New England as a practice player. The two developed a close personal and professional connection.

"He's definitely set the stage of the way to play around here, at least for me," Connolly said. "I've always tried to live up to that, to try to emulate that. We've tried to keep that mentality going, the mentality the Patriots have always had, even with him gone."

The absence of public outrage from Mankins' teammates was expected. That sort of discord has been frowned upon all the way back to Lawyer Milloy's sudden release in 2003 after refusing to take a pay cut.

"When you play there you aren't allowed to say exactly what you feel," Mankins said. "When I was there, there were plenty of times when I wanted to say stuff and I never did.

"Even as I talk to you now, I'm probably not saying all that I feel. It's just the way I am, I guess. I'm not going to say something I shouldn't. In that way, I was probably the perfect guy to play in New England."

Mankins' absence was deeply felt in the early weeks of the season. Brady was sacked four times in a season-opening loss to the Miami Dolphins behind a line that had Jordan Devey at left guard, Connolly at center and Marcus Cannon at right guard.

Belichick plugged in rookie Bryan Stork at center and Cameron Fleming at right guard in a Week 4 loss to Kansas City before settling on the current configuration of Nate Solder at left tackle, Connolly at left guard, Stork at center, Sebastian Vollmer at right tackle and Ryan Wendell at right guard. Wendell's insertion, Mankins said, is what helped stabilize the line.

"I'm very happy for him," Mankins said. "He was center for us for a few years and he did a good job, and they were trying to get him out of there, and then they said he couldn't play guard. Well, look who is playing guard. He's done a great job."

Asked what he's specifically seen in Wendell, Mankins responded, "I see him talking to the center a lot, setting the line, getting everyone on the same page. He's playing real physical. He's not the biggest guy, but he plays hard and plays physical, and the big thing is he plays snap to the whistle."

First-year Tampa coach Lovie Smith was hoping for similar results from Mankins. The Buccaneers attempted to shore up their offensive line by acquiring him and signing free agents Evan Dietrich-Smith and Anthony Collins.

Mankins spent his first weeks trying to play catch-up with a new team running new schemes, as well as finding a place to live. Without a permanent residence in Tampa, it was hard for him to serve as the ringleader for the line.

"It's been difficult to do here," Mankins conceded. "That was the great thing about there [in New England]. I have a good house for hosting, so we had the barbecues, and some of the guys over for Thanksgiving, even Christmas. Dan has taken that part over now.

"We [the Bucs' line] haven't quite developed that bond yet. It's getting closer. Hopefully we'll get together in the offseason and work on it."

One of the biggest adjustments that Mankins had to make was to find a way to handle the humidity in Florida.

"When you come down here in September, it's blistering hot," Dietrich-Smith said. "I mean it is hot. The first few days Logan was looking at me going, 'How do you play in this?"'

Mankins' solution was to spent his first week in practice running gassers by himself up and down the line for added conditioning.

"Pretty soon, there's one guy running with him," general manager Jason Licht said. "Then there's two. He's not asking them to do it. He's not a rah-rah guy. It's not something he demands. It's his presence. It's exactly why we got him."

Mankins suffered a knee injury in his first week in Tampa. He stayed late after practices, asked questions and was irritated that he wasn't helping his new team more. His children were sad and confused he wasn't home. Yet Mankins kept those concerns to himself.

"If it was hard for him, he didn't show it," Licht said. "He's the same guy every day. No emotion. He never showed any indication of being shell-shocked.

"He's the first one in the meeting room, teaching these guys how to study the right way. He holds them accountable without having to say a word. He gives them 'the look' and that's enough.


"We've had some issues [on the offensive line], but he's not one of them. He's one of the solutions."

Late in the season, the Bucs replaced the disappointing Collins at left tackle with Demar Dotson, a right tackle who likely will line up next to Mankins next season on the left side.

"The guy comes with a lot of wisdom and knowledge," Dotson said. "His leadership skills are incredible.

"He made my job so much easier. I was pretty wound up in my first game at a new position, but his communication was so good that I knew exactly what I was doing. When the ball was snapped, all I had to do was play. I've never played next to somebody like that."

Mankins said the Bucs' record is particularly frustrating because they were in so many games that slipped away in the final minutes.

"In teams past, I always knew someone was going to make a play, and someone always did," Mankins said. "Here, we haven't been able to come up with that play. We're the ones making the mistakes instead of making the play."

The 2014 season is behind him and the results of the team he left and the team he joined are in the books. If Mankins could do it over, would he take the cut the Patriots proposed?

"I don't know," he answered. "At this point, sure, I'd like to be winning more games. But everything outside of football is going great. The most important thing to me is my family, and they're doing fine."

The Tampa O-line made some strides in the final days of the 2014 season, although, Mankins concedes, they have a long way to go. His teammates believe he can make a difference, because he already has.

"When he's out there getting after it, you feel the pressure to match his performance because you don't want to let him down," lineman Oniel Cousins said.

Dietrich-Smith played in Green Bay last season, so he can relate to Mankins' situation. He believes there is reason for optimism in Tampa Bay if the veterans establish the proper attitude.

"You can't look back at where you came from," Dietrich-Smith said. "You have to take pride in an opportunity to help turn this around. You can't do the 'shoulda-woulda-coulda' thing. We have to make a name for ourselves here. That's what professionals do. No one has to explain that to Logan."

Mankins has watched as many Patriots games as his own football schedule has allowed. He believes they can win it all.

"They have all the pieces," Mankins said. "I will be rooting for them. I have too many close relationships to root against those guys.

"At the beginning of the year things looked a little different [on the offensive line]. They didn't look like the same team we had before -- or the team that's playing now. They've got it worked out now."
 
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logan airport.... wish he was here. I, for one, would feel much confident with our play in the trenches if logan was here
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guy is tough as helllllllllll.... played whole season with an ACL? and i thought he was out for good when he got hurt in the buffalo game last year (i think?) before the divisional vs indy and he was barely walking and limping with assistance towards the sideline and then BAM he was back in the game within a quarter or so. BB even was impressed... why, william, why???????
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We're obviously missing Mayo but it feels good damn near having everybody after these past few post seasons 
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So much **** talking from Bmore, I hope we represent on this game, I'm so freaking hyped it's ridiculous. I wish some of yall lived in Florida so we can watch it together haha. #patriotgang
 
I wonder if Mayo is going to sign an extension . Hightower did such a great job this year. Proud of that dude . Still want Mayo on the squad, of course.
 
Mayo's signed through 2017, the real question is if he's gonna be willing to restructure. Our defense is definitely better with him but he's only played 12 games the last 2 years. Add in the emergence of Hightower and Collins and the fact thats he's owed 6.2 mil next year with somewhere around a 10 mil cap hit each of the next 3 seasons.

I think we all know how that goes, team over everybody :rolleyes

Edit: Wilfork has a fat roster bonus coming up in March to be honest I could see them sitting down with him too, all over again :rolleyes
 
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Word I wasnt sure about his contract but I knew something was looming . . . :smh:

Hightower and Collins have lowkey been one of the best linebacker duos in football
 
pretty sure they're going to ask Mayo to restructure and/or take some type of cut. Collins and Hightower have made him expendable, but if he want to play for less, we'll certainly take him. i'm selfishly hoping he's a company guy and takes the cut :lol:

not counting on it though
 
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 7m7 minutes ago
Edelman said he is still staying after practice to run extra routes and bounce new ideas off Brady.

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Minitron needs to give BAL that work this weekend :pimp:
 
Good stuff 
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,gonna need him to have a solid game.Like some of you mentioned, as a result of Chandler and Donta's emergence, I'm not as concerned as I used to be about Mayo's future. I'd obviously love to see him extend his stay here but if not so be it,I have confidence in the young duo to keep on getting better.

So it was kinda cold today at practice...
 
 
Tim Whelan Jr.‏@thattimwhelan

@DougKyedNESN Sep. 2012, Patriots up 30-28 w/ 0:52 to go in Balt. Ravens 3rd and 9, NE 34. Flacco deep to Jones, PI on McCourty, FG, game
 Idk how the hell I forgot about how that game ended 
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Dude is literally the GOAT at drawing PI's 
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 Since entering the league in 2008, Flacco has drawn 78 accepted DPI penalties (including the playoffs), most in the NFL during that span and 13 more than the next-closest quarterback (Eli Manning, 65). 
 
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^ hopefully the refs let em play on Saturday :lol:


and Don Shula can suck a big bag of *****
 
hopefully the patriots and Bill are seeing what everyone is saying about this game . for whatever reason everyone assumes that the Ravens have the patriots number this Saturday ; that this game is going to be extremely close and the Ravens have a great chance at winning .

i dont .

i wish people would give legitimate reasons for why they feel the Ravens have such a great chance that arent based on their run two years ago . people are ignoring how theyve played the past few weeks -- beating the Steelers without the best RB in the league , barely beating the Browns 3rd string QB at home , getting smoked by Case Keenum and the Texans , barely beating the Jags . people are ignoring that we smoked the Ravens last year 41-7 in Baltimore with a worse offense (no Gronk , no LaFell) and a worse defense (no Wilfork , no Revis , no Browner , no Ayers) . people ignore that this is the healthiest the Pats have been heading into the playoffs in years , and that Gronk wasn't active the last two times we played the Ravens . people are ignoring that the Pats defense hasnt given up more than 17 points in over a month . people are ignoring that the Pats have won the last three years in the divisional round off a bye in blowout games .

we dont know whos going to win this game , and the Ravens very well may pull it out , but im tired of hearing that because of what happened two years ago , the Ravens have an amazing shot to beat the Pats
 
^ 100% man.

brady said it best...."can't bring guys out of retirement for this..." as in those teams that came into NE and won a couple years back were very different. that SB team the ravens had...half those players are no longer on the team.

now if you want to say the ravens play a style suited to beat NE, OK i get that. but let's stop bringing up those old ravens teams. and like Prez said, our team is much different. we're built to be able to handle this type of team much better now.
 
With regards to the divisional round wins, F&M brought up a good point that the Ravens will be the best team they've faced in this round as the last three opponents have been a Tebow-led Broncos, a young Colts team and the Texans.

While I do think this Ravens team is the best of that bunch, I also agree that I don't understand how a lot of talking heads are saying they'll have no problems going to Foxboro and winning. As good as their LBs are, Ray Lewis obviously put them on a different level.
 
^ yeah that's a good point to bring up. it's the first challenging divisional round game we've had in a while. hopefully we continue the recent trend of dominating this round
 
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