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If God doesn't Exist Explain To Me How This Happened By Chance
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this argument doesnt work, we didnt just happen to find the world sitting there we have book upon books of data that suggest that we are here because of the randomness of evolution. if you are walking on a street and find a puddle, you will know it was caused by rain. if you dont know what rain is then maybe you would think that someone "created" this puddle, but the reason you come to this conclusion is because you have NO IDEA where it came from.
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i've been going to church my whole life, not really wanting to go but i did get some good out of it.
but over the years as i've have became older i have started to question a lot of things.
a lot really doesn't make sense.
but i grew up to fear only God.
although i question a lot i still choose to believe but it seems to good to be true at times.
is there a heaven or a hell, idk but i'd rather go to heaven........
but over the years as i've have became older i have started to question a lot of things.
a lot really doesn't make sense.
but i grew up to fear only God.
although i question a lot i still choose to believe but it seems to good to be true at times.
is there a heaven or a hell, idk but i'd rather go to heaven........
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other than the chance that there is a heaven/hell and that you want to go to heaven, what other benefits are there from your faith (that cant be found in a non christian's life)?
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you can ask the same question to any sports fan and replace 'heaven' with 'championship' and you'll get similar answers....i.e. sense of belonging, identity, fraternity, community, purpose, being a part of some bigger than yourself etc.
humans are a gregarious bunch.
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To me this argument works better for a creator of the universe rather than creator of man. See words and languages evolve as well. The creator made the word but over time it's changed, he didnt make the language we have today and he isn't the one guiding it. He created the words and they got to where they are through years of evolution. As did life/universe/matter ?
Ima let it simmer.
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thats what im saying though, if god is so powerful then why can people get the same emotional/social effects from being a yankees fan?
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I haven't been in one of these in a while. When you find truth, you'll know it.
Its better to find it willingly.
Its better to find it willingly.
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faith gives you hope. having something to believe in gives you something to look forward and give you a positive outlook on life. It's like when i tell myself something is lucky, i know nothing can be lucky.but since i believe it's lucky i feel better and think that lucky things will happen.
Also, i believe the most important of Christianity is the teachings of how to live your life. Like forgiveness and thinking about others before yourself. Honestly, Nothing brings me happiness except doing nice things for people and people being nice to me
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I believe that there is a God/creator/higher being...but religion is another story...in my opinion it just divides people instead of bringing us together.
The older I get the more questions I have and I'm ok with that.
The older I get the more questions I have and I'm ok with that.
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great point. it's just a good feeling knowing that their is a higher power than can help you. I'm just confused as of how it's possible. why am i being blessed or why am i being punished? or why is everything else in the world happening...
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some people haven't taken a chemistry class or something.
While the creator idea is understandable, and I agree that there might be a creator, but that doesnt make him/her/it god.
gases and atoms and snarf come together randomly to create explosions and stuff in this universe.
the chance is small, but we're talking about BILLIONS of years of random collisions. BILLIONS.
a watch is NOT a living thing. It only has one function: to tell time. You really cant compare inanimate objects to living things.
hell even the alphabet started out as simple shapes and things found in nature, through certain conditions and happenings did those shapes evolve into letters.
A cell is a living thing, it has a function to survive. add that plus environmental conditions and you have what we have today. in short, everything is the creator.
While the creator idea is understandable, and I agree that there might be a creator, but that doesnt make him/her/it god.
gases and atoms and snarf come together randomly to create explosions and stuff in this universe.
the chance is small, but we're talking about BILLIONS of years of random collisions. BILLIONS.
a watch is NOT a living thing. It only has one function: to tell time. You really cant compare inanimate objects to living things.
hell even the alphabet started out as simple shapes and things found in nature, through certain conditions and happenings did those shapes evolve into letters.
A cell is a living thing, it has a function to survive. add that plus environmental conditions and you have what we have today. in short, everything is the creator.
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I dont see why inanimate objects and living things cant be compared in that sense. From what we can gather today, life would have had to come from inanimate objects. The same things that make up living things make up non living things.
The alphabet/language comparison Has nothing to do with that though. I'm not saying inanimate objects are evolving like we are. It's a comparison, the way language and words evolved starting with a creator, compared to how matter could have evolved to what it is today starting with a creator.
But I see your alphabet point. The shapes that make up the alphabet were already around, someone put em together. Similarity things could've just came together by chance to start the universe. Still begs the question of where those things could've came from though.
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if we take the oldest, most primitive living unicellular organism......how did it become an self-sustainable living entity? yes, under certain conditions, it is possible to create organic molecules from inorganic matter as proven by Lamarck (i think), however, there needs to be some sort of design in order to create the living unit. I can't see how billions of years in random collisions of inorganic and organic molecules would result in a functional cellular organism because for that, you need some type of framework or order. However, the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that the universe is constantly moving towards increased entropy or randomness. I don't believe that living cells are like legos where if you put all the necessary pieces together, it suddenly starts to "live."This is the disconnect for me with the whole "Primordial Soup Theory."
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Second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems, where nothing is going in or out. Evolution isn't a closed system since there are so many outside forces.
Also, one part of the closed system can become ordered while others become more disordered, which is what we observe in the universe. Like someone taking a bunch of materials and building a house. He creates something more ordered, yet at the same time generates heat through work which contributes to the entropy of the universe.
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correct, although i was taking the entire universe as the system.
but it is precisely when a system or part of it becomes more orderly that the whole issue of the creator comes up. I don't really buy the theory that life is the fortuitous byproduct of the need to maintain energy equilibrium. This is why I am leaning towards the idea that a creator, regardless if it is a personified god-type entity or some type of force/energy/conscious creative though, must be responsible. Lamarck referred to this as Le pouvoir de la vie (The force that perpetually tends to make order) or life force, which is present in everything....IMO.
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actually you can and it does show visuals...matter fact you can see the stars zoom in and make out constellationHeaven isn't on earth. One day it will be though. Hence Heaven on earth. (The book of Revalation)..!! There will be a new Heaven and new Earth..
But heaven isn't on earth yet. So we can't google Heaven, because its not on earth.
We have proof that mars, mercury, and Venus exist, but you can google earth those, because they aren't on earth.
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Did god/God happen by chance?
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What are you even asking?
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People once though there were Gods on top of Mt. Olympus. Now they think since God isn't there he must be somewhere else.
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i wonder if there are "aliens" out there do they believe in the same god we do.
we meet them and they like "who is this god u speak of"
i really think prometheus wasnt far off, after that i was watching youtube videos of annunaki's and ish lol
we meet them and they like "who is this god u speak of"
i really think prometheus wasnt far off, after that i was watching youtube videos of annunaki's and ish lol
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