entry level luxury cars.... EDIT: I DO NOT want one. just want people's opinion.

ninjahood said:
buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount

of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
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Bruh, you do realize that there are MILLIONS of people who buy cars because of the way they look, right?

Would you date an ugly ***** just cause she cooks, cleans, and sucks **** just as good as the good looking chick, but is lower maintenance?


***** if you got money you're going to buy what the **** you want.


Nawzlew said:
Slicknick951 said:
thadoctadvocate said:
Today i wentto mcdonalds but couldnt afford the combo so i didnt order anything at all
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You should have just bought the kids meal it has the same meat in the burger as the big mac
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Lol fake stuntin with cheap small *** burgers.

Them joints even come with sesame seeds on the bun?
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Nah brah, no seeds, and you get a smaller drink.

Better off just ordering off the dollar menu. For the same price you get more food.

You don't get a toy, or apple slices, but you get the same burger and the same small fry, AND you get a large sweet tea. Can anyone tell me why anyone would want the happy meal over the dollar menu?

C'mon b. Tell me why you would.
 
af1 1982 said:
its like this B. BMW=iPhone. American Muscle = android.

I've owned a 4s when it first dropped in 2011 and traded it evenly for a Galaxy Nexus a year later. Now I'm due for an upgrade. Check the market value on both phones. The 4s goes for around $200 the nexus $50. Mind you, these are phones that were top of the line at the time. and yes the nexuus has better raw specs. If I kept the4s, I could be paying NOTHING for my next phone. But naw, I gotta take the depreciation hit on the nexus and cough up. Never again man, never again.

There's a reason I phones hold their value for so much longer
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this comparison doesn't work with cars, especially luxury cars, which are known to go thru MASSIVE depreciation, especially

da ones from da base model variety.

as far as galaxy nexus vs iphone depreciation, you gotta look at da fact that android phones get updated WAAY quicker then iphones, so

da cost of technology from cutting edge, to outdated line goes ALOT faster.

i got da same phone, my next phone gonna be da note 3, and ill tell you right now my galaxy nexus was da best phone i had in my life up till

now, i'd never get a iphone cuz i know im getting just way more features and functions, versus a iphone thats always a generation behind

and restrictive as ****.
 
ninjahood said:
this comparison doesn't work with cars, especially luxury cars, which are known to go thru MASSIVE depreciation, especially

da ones from da base model variety.

as far as galaxy nexus vs iphone depreciation, you gotta look at da fact that android phones get updated WAAY quicker then iphones, so

da cost of technology from cutting edge, to outdated line goes ALOT faster.

i got da same phone, my next phone gonna be da note 3, and ill tell you right now my galaxy nexus was da best phone i had in my life up till

now, i'd never get a iphone cuz i know im getting just way more features and functions, versus a iphone thats always a generation behind

and restrictive as ****.
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Don't get me wrong, at first I found myself really enjoying the Nexus. It's a great phone. 
 

But for me personally, I found myself only using Chrome and messaging. That's all I really need in a phone.

But this is where this comparison works with cars. It all comes down to personal preference in the end.
 
ninjahood said:
Leather is not a priority for many. I wanted a specific color, but it was not offered in leatherette. That's not a result of finances, but choice. The difference between you
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wait a min...did you just say leather is not a priority on many who's buying a LUXURY CAR?!

:lol: :rofl:

see i KNEW i was gonna find one of these owners with da feelings hurt.

like that chart says, da maintenance cost is SUPER back loaded, so once BMW pulls da chair from under you da price BALLOONS far more then da SRT8.

SRT8 simply offers WAY MORE for WAY LESS...and guess what? HOLD ITS VALUE alot better then da entry level luxury 528i...wanna look like you goofed?

check this out.

[h1]2011 BMW 5 Series - True Cost to Own[/h1]




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528i Sedan (3.0L 6-cyl. 8-speed Automatic)

 
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[h2]SummaryMore about TCO [SUP][emoji]174[/emoji][/SUP]
[/h2]

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]True Cost To Own*[/TD]
[TD]$63,342[/TD]
[td] [/td]

[td]
Results for

New York, NY​


* Based on a 5-year estimate with 15,000 miles driven per year.

[/td]

[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total Cash Price[/TD]
[TD]$32,784[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[h2]5 Year Details[/h2]

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH] [/TH]
[TH]Year 1[/TH]
[TH]Year 2[/TH]
[TH]Year 3[/TH]
[TH]Year 4[/TH]
[TH]Year 5[/TH]
[TH]5 Yr Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Depreciation[/TD]
[TD]$4,565[/TD]
[TD]$4,004[/TD]
[TD]$3,523[/TD]
[TD]$3,123[/TD]
[TD]$2,803[/TD]
[TD]$18,018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Taxes & Fees[/TD]
[TD]$2,534[/TD]
[TD]$21[/TD]
[TD]$70[/TD]
[TD]$21[/TD]
[TD]$70[/TD]
[TD]$2,716[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Financing[/TD]
[TD]$1,025[/TD]
[TD]$815[/TD]
[TD]$595[/TD]
[TD]$368[/TD]
[TD]$131[/TD]
[TD]$2,934[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fuel[/TD]
[TD]$2,484[/TD]
[TD]$2,559[/TD]
[TD]$2,635[/TD]
[TD]$2,714[/TD]
[TD]$2,796[/TD]
[TD]$13,188[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Insurance[/TD]
[TD]$2,477[/TD]
[TD]$2,564[/TD]
[TD]$2,654[/TD]
[TD]$2,747[/TD]
[TD]$2,843[/TD]
[TD]$13,285[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maintenance[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$2,146[/TD]
[TD]$3,206[/TD]
[TD]$1,963[/TD]
[TD]$984[/TD]
[TD]$8,299[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Repairs[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$825[/TD]
[TD]$1,265[/TD]
[TD]$1,357[/TD]
[TD]$1,455[/TD]
[TD]$4,902[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]True Cost to Own [SUP][emoji]174[/emoji][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]$13,085[/TD]
[TD]$12,934[/TD]
[TD]$13,948[/TD]
[TD]$12,293[/TD]
[TD]$11,082[/TD]
[TD]$63,342[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

this is for a 2010 charger SRT8...look at da ballooning price of maintenance price and repairs, and depreciation of da 2011 bimmer :lol:


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH] [/TH]
[TH]Year 1[/TH]
[TH]Year 2[/TH]
[TH]Year 3[/TH]
[TH]Year 4[/TH]
[TH]Year 5[/TH]
[TD]5 YEAR TOTAL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Maintenance[/td]

[TD]$567[/TD]
[TD]$1,426[/TD]
[TD]$483[/TD]
[TD]$710[/TD]
[TD]$1,792[/TD]
[TD]$4,978[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Repairs[/td]

[TD]$141[/TD]
[TD]$305[/TD]
[TD]$336[/TD]
[TD]$740[/TD]
[TD]$800[/TD]
[TD]$2,322[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Fuel[/td]

[TD]$3,439[/TD]
[TD]$3,639[/TD]
[TD]$3,850[/TD]
[TD]$4,073[/TD]
[TD]$4,309[/TD]
[TD]$19,310[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Depreciation[/td]

[TD]$7,595[/TD]
[TD]$2,550[/TD]
[TD]$1,958[/TD]
[TD]$1,995[/TD]
[TD]$2,509[/TD]
[TD]$16,607[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Financing[/td]

[TD]$1,151[/TD]
[TD]$912[/TD]
[TD]$673[/TD]
[TD]$418[/TD]
[TD]$148[/TD]
[TD]$3,302[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Insurance[/td]

[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$11,075[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]State Fees[/td]

[TD]$149[/TD]
[TD]$105[/TD]
[TD]$102[/TD]
[TD]$94[/TD]
[TD]$93[/TD]
[TD]$543[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Yearly Totals[/td]

[TD]$15,257[/TD]
[TD]$11,152[/TD]
[TD]$9,617[/TD]
[TD]$10,245[/TD]
[TD]$11,866[/TD]
[TD]$58,137[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/dodge/charger/srt8_sedan/1476/cost_of_ownership/#ixzz2cUnhTrxw
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:lol:

In true form, you pick & chose poorly while negating 'da' facts you asked for. I don't have time to address this now, but I just wanted to quote this for future reference. You need to cover the loose ends on your Google searches as I left some space for debate, but you came back with only subjective banter...

You're reaching & reaching hard...
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ninjahood said:
first how,, only lames post pics of cars that ain't theirs...if thats da cloth you cut then you thats you,

second, i got access to these cars because alot of my fellow dominicans be in da streets getting it, and they all got these toys that i get

da privilege of riding with, da 528i isn't a space ship b, there's at least a couple parked in my block daily.

third, "googling info" is all fact related because it comes VERBATIM from da experts that make a living doing this on a daily basis, so

if im SONNING you with those facts, dont blame me, blame yourself for being craptacular at doing homework when it comes to automotive

information and know how..ite b, so when car and driver says "da current gen charger got all da american muscle about it but

when composed drives JUST LIKE a 5 seires" imma be more incline to believe that, then a dude who caught a sodium overload when

he realized his evoque was land rover's foray into a female demographic. >D :lol:
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It's funny how you always go back to the Evoque because you have such flawed arguments B

It's clear your persona masks a much deeper need for acceptance
 
af1 1982 said:
its like this B. BMW=iPhone. American Muscle = android.

I've owned a 4s when it first dropped in 2011 and traded it evenly for a Galaxy Nexus a year later. Now I'm due for an upgrade. Check the market value on both phones. The 4s goes for around $200 the nexus $50. Mind you, these are phones that were top of the line at the time. and yes the nexuus has better raw specs. If I kept the4s, I could be paying NOTHING for my next phone. But naw, I gotta take the depreciation hit on the nexus and cough up. Never again man, never again.

There's a reason I phones hold their value for so much longer
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BMW depreciation is the same as most American Luxury car brands tho. 07 5 series = 15k, equally featured 07 Caddy STS = 15k

If you're really concerned with a car holding it's value, get a Lexus. If you're about getting the most value for your money, get a Hyundai

And Chargers are CRAP everybody who drives and knows other ppl who drive knows that. You lease Chargers if you really want one, buying them is a headache if it's older than 2 years.
 
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PRIME said:
ninjahood said:
buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount

of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
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Bruh, you do realize that there are MILLIONS of people who buy cars because of the way they look, right?

Would you date an ugly ***** just cause she cooks, cleans, and sucks **** just as good as the good looking chick, but is lower maintenance?
 
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da problem with that analogy is da charger ain't a ugly *** chick.

but here's a food for thought, how many times have you heard a guy say "yo ill take a 7-8 looking girl that loyal, can cook, clean, smart,

college educated wifey, over a dime diva model ratchet with a ****** attitude, self absorbed, and high *** maintenance"

more times then you would admit.

value is something that transcends to anything and everything.

"entry level luxury" is a facade segment for da people who really ain't there, but wanna feel like they there and sacrifice getting da super

bare bones offerings.
 
StillIn729 said:
ninjahood said:
first how,, only lames post pics of cars that ain't theirs...if thats da cloth you cut then you thats you,

second, i got access to these cars because alot of my fellow dominicans be in da streets getting it, and they all got these toys that i get

da privilege of riding with, da 528i isn't a space ship b, there's at least a couple parked in my block daily.

third, "googling info" is all fact related because it comes VERBATIM from da experts that make a living doing this on a daily basis, so

if im SONNING you with those facts, dont blame me, blame yourself for being craptacular at doing homework when it comes to automotive

information and know how..ite b, so when car and driver says "da current gen charger got all da american muscle about it but

when composed drives JUST LIKE a 5 seires" imma be more incline to believe that, then a dude who caught a sodium overload when

he realized his evoque was land rover's foray into a female demographic. 
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It's funny how you always go back to the Evoque because you have such flawed arguments B

It's clear your persona masks a much deeper need for acceptance
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its funny how u never got answers to da facts i bring (cuz i dont expect you to, its pretty easy

prove you wrong) and try to turn into my personal shrink.
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sniper said:
ninjahood said:
did you really just compare da 5 speed to da 8 speed and some some of advantage? :lol:

go ask merc fans why da s65 still has a 5 speed (SAME ONE in da SRT8) while some of da other trims have moved to a 8 speed..

here's a hint: transmisson tolerance limit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_5G-Tronic_transmission


are you really trying to say BMW leatherette is better then da REAL leather trim da SRT8 comes equipped with?

are you really gonna go da awards route which are slanted against pushrod engines because they are seen as "old tech"? da new corvette

has direct drive, variable timing WITH pushrods..you're gonna call that engine "not worthy" too? :lol:

look at da maintanence cost of da BMW once it goes outta warranty..it BALLOONS da second year. good luck getting that fixed. :lol:
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Haha! You're dumber than I thought...

The only reason why the S65 & S600 retain the 5G is due to the fact that the 7G can only handle 542 lbs. of torque. Other than, I'm sure Google will lead you to several forums describing the 5G as "Ok", "Alright", "Dull Witted", etc...

Please direct me to stating leatherette is superior to real leather on an SRT8? Does this tactic work for you? Simply put, child. Leather is not a priority for many. I wanted a specific color, but it was not offered in leatherette. That's not a result of finances, but choice. The difference between you & I is that I can actually make those choices while you're in the background (from afar) telling me what I should do...

I see you're making proclamations again without actually looking at the actual lists & categories comprised within the International Engine of the Year Awards...

I own/lease several bimmers and you're telling me that in year 6, the repairs will substantially grow? Propietary parts are, of course, more expensive than universal parts to that of a Honda, Toyota, etc., but a money pit? Nope! Again, making false claims as usual. Take a gander at your coveted SRT8 & notice the distinct fluctuations in price...


SneakerPro said:
sniper said:
ninjahood said:
A.

 yes i have been in both WHILE they're moving, im in da heightz, i got alot on enterprising friends who own both.

B. da camry is FWD, it doesn't compare to a dodge charger.

car and driver themselves SAYS da charger rides JUST like a 5 series, so imma gonna keep asking till someone gives me da answer,

what luxury features does a base model 528i which cost more have that a fully loaded SRT8 dodge charger which cost less doesn't have?
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Chapter 1: Paying with Monopoly Money

I guess I'll address this as it's clear you're what I've always referred to you as.................a 'brochure' enthusiast.
(Considering you pick & choose what you like to respond to as the posts you dismiss completely obliterate the filth coming from your keyboard, I'm assuming this will be easy. Basically, you go for scraps as they're the easiest to refute.)

If you want to talk luxury, we can discuss the F10's much better weight distribution while having an elongated frame reminiscent to that of the higher-end F01. (i.e. They share the same platform.) This might be difficult for you to digest, but luxury isn't based on how fast you can go nor how many gadgets & trinkets you have. So you've said leather isn't standard 2-3 times already? We get it. If you would've actually been in one with leatherette, you'd notice that it does not feel cheap nor fit outside of BMW's reputation. If Coral Red leather came in leatherette, I'd have no problem opting for that so your rather ancient mentality on imitation leather is skewed. Literally, BMW's goal of upholding their heritage is founded on providing effortless features within a simplistic approach...

You did a nice copy & paste, but a longer list doesn't necessarily define a better vehicle. It's what we call 'compensation'. Anyways, let's reference some of that list. You're really going to compare the refined 8-speed STEPTRONIC transmission to that of the lackluster 5-speed automatic on the SRT8? We could also go into brake regeneration, micro-filtered ventilation, etc. if you want to take that next step. More or less, you simply neglect all the intricacies as you most likely are not subjected to things of a higher (more refined) scale...

Has the 392 HEMI won any significant awards lately? I'm just posing the question as the N20 (as well as an array of other BMW Group engines) cleaned-up at the 2012 International Engine of the Year Awards. I believe it was also in Wards Top Ten of 2012 as well. Looks like your big & bulky 6.4 is fluff in the grand scheme of things...

So you're in the Heights, but there's plenty of photos/videos of you & your surroundings that appear as if you're stuck in time/poverty? Makes sense...

The only thing I can say about you is that you're consistently inconsistent. I'd take the bet that you'll be repeating this nonsensical babble in 5-years trying to influence the new batch of NTers on how to live without having any actual accomplishments of your own.

For someone that has endlessly gone on a campaign in regards to European cars in terms of poor maintenance & reliability, you certainly have not done your homework...

If you stopped skimming through the Dodge line-up pamphlet looking at basic specs', you'd realize why Charger SRT8s simply do not sell compared to their counterparts...
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You had a good post until you posted that chart.

You go find me a 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 for 33 grand that isn't a salvage title. 12K in depreciation in the first year :lol: Shiit I wish it did depreciate that much because I would have one.
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Bitter Charger Owner. Party of 1! Your table is ready...
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:lol:

Yeah I don't drive a Charger bro. Don't go pulling a NInja a because you don't know what you are talking about.
 
ninjahood said:
its funny how u never got answers to da facts i bring (cuz i dont expect you to, its pretty easy

prove you wrong) and try to turn into my personal shrink. :lol:
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Your facts are opinions

Loaded SRT8 Charger >5 series base model is not a fact it's an opinion B
 
Remember when you posted the Camaro as the best selling sporty car and said it was because of power?

Then the car right behind it by less than a hundred models sold was the A5 at 200 HP

How come you ignored that B? I know why...
 
StillIn729 said:
ninjahood said:
its funny how u never got answers to da facts i bring (cuz i dont expect you to, its pretty easy

prove you wrong) and try to turn into my personal shrink.
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Your facts are opinions

Loaded SRT8 Charger >5 series base model is not a fact it's an opinion B
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wrong.

its facts, especially when you do da math and compare/contrast whats in them and whats not in them.

from da better brakes (brembos ALL around)

, better suspension (adjustable dampers), better wheels (forged aluminum), wrapped in better tires (good year performance summer tires)

, LOADED infotainment system, BETTER engine, etc.

this is NOT opinion b...get your FACTS straight.

REAL LEATHER...this isn't **** im pluckng from da air *****..thats straight FACTS.
 
ninjahood said:
umm yes they are.

especially when you're near da 50k price tag range.

same way da old m3 was compared to da mustang.
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compared and actually cross shopped are 2 different things.

Someone with m3 money isn't visiting a ford dealership to look at a mustang
 
ninjahood said:
value is something that transcends to anything and everything.

"entry level luxury" is a facade segment for da people who really ain't there, but wanna feel like they there and sacrifice getting da super

bare bones offerings.
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I kind of agree with you.

Value = Benefits/Cost. You have to understand that the customers perceived value is dependent on the prospective customers personal evaluation of all the benefits and all the costs of an offering as it pertains to them.

Not everyone places as much value on car specifications (engine performance & features) as you might. You are coming off as condescending with the whole "facade segment for da people who really ain't there" and "wanna feel like they there" talk. That's how YOU would feel if YOU made that purchase. The people actually buying entry level cars may not be "sacrificng" anything. They might have just evaluated their purchase in a different manner than you would have and believe they are getting more value with this car than the Charger or whatever alternative we are talking about that may have more performance benefits for a lower cost. Performance might not mean squat to certain consumers who just want to get from point A to point B in a nice looking foreign car with a recognizable brand name. So performance might not be a factor in the value equation for them.

Car companies aren't always trying to make the best performing car for the lowest price. They have to market their product offerings to a diverse array of consumers who perceive value in many different ways. They care about gaining market share and selling as many cars possible. I agree with you that the entry level luxury car is a different segment, and to an informed consumer like yourself, it may seem like a "facade segment". But some people just value brand over performance, and vice versa.

I'm not making an argument for either side (entry level luxury vs. loaded domestic of similar price) because it all depends on the consumer.

Of course ninjahood is starting a huge debate because we all know he has an ethnocentric viewpoint and if it isn't up to his standards and values then it's wrong. It's not wrong, just different.

Like I said though, you come off condescending when you try to rationalize others purchases solely on your perceived benefits rather than considering what they might get from it.

Are we having a debate on the cars performance? Or the car overall?
 
ninjahood said:
PRIME said:
ninjahood said:
buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount


of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
Click to expand...


Bruh, you do realize that there are MILLIONS of people who buy cars because of the way they look, right?


Would you date an ugly ***** just cause she cooks, cleans, and sucks **** just as good as the good looking chick, but is lower maintenance?

 
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da problem with that analogy is da charger ain't a ugly *** chick.

but here's a food for thought, how many times have you heard a guy say "yo ill take a 7-8 looking girl that loyal, can cook, clean, smart,

college educated wifey, over a dime diva model ratchet with a ****** attitude, self absorbed, and high *** maintenance"

more times then you would admit.

value is something that transcends to anything and everything.

"entry level luxury" is a facade segment for da people who really ain't there, but wanna feel like they there and sacrifice getting da super

bare bones offerings.
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Pretty and ugy is all relative to the preference/taste of the person who's choosing.


See where I'm going with this?

Just cause you think the Charger is an 8, doesn't mean that the next man who's on the market for a car thinks the Charger is an 8...

If he thinks the BMW is a 9 or even a 10, and feels comfortable, AND can afford it he's going to buy it.

Why should they consider buying a car they don't want?

Because Ninjahood says it will hold its value? Because he said it does XYZ just like it? Because in HIS OPINION its a better car.

But your opinion doesn't matter to the person actually spending THEIR money on it. All they can do is respect your opinion, but at the end of the day, they are paying and they are driving it.
 
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Why do you buy 300 Nikes and not Brooks?

Brooks are better shoes

Especially considering how much your on your feet
 
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This argument is like a straight man trying to convince a gay man to start dating women. He might see where it is beneficial in some ways, but those benefits don't matter to him personally.
 
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