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Oh. Fail then lol. Being able to upgrade for a few hundred bucks yearly, kills the resale market for most devices.
entry level luxury cars.... EDIT: I DO NOT want one. just want people's opinion.
Oh. Fail then lol. Being able to upgrade for a few hundred bucks yearly, kills the resale market for most devices.
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Lol all good bro. I was like "What? Where the hell are people getting $200 for a Nexus?"
We're starting to see yearly upgrade programs manifesting with Verizon's EDGE, etc. Still a rip off but I think it will eventually go towards yearly contracts since they release new phones so damn quick.
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obvious, lies are obvious
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Why am I even wasting my breath in this thread? lol
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I sold my nexus for $200 a few weeks ago, in favor of the S4. And yes I'm on Verizon.
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Wanna sell mine?
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Dont forget throughout the 90's it was FWD Cadillacs that were crushing 95% of their European competition in terms of horsepower performance, standard features and engine awards.
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i seen a kia cadenza on the road the other day...
also... i really think yall are overanalyzing this whole "this hp and that hp" steez...
just like cell phone specs, only a small population actually gives the slightest damb about that stuff..
everybody else is copping b/c they like the look or feel or statement the car makes.
@ calling a cardiologist wack cuz he copped the c300 @ only copping brand new luxury whips, and if it has more than 30k on the dash, you lost. @ people letting ninja rustle jimmies... like, yall say the homey doesnt have a car to speak of and drives big rigs for a living... why are yall eem going back and forth? @ getting upset when someone diddys out of a 328i... hell, i'd diddy right beside them.
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THIS
also... i really think yall are overanalyzing this whole "this hp and that hp" steez...
just like cell phone specs, only a small population actually gives the slightest damb about that stuff..
everybody else is copping b/c they like the look or feel or statement the car makes.
yes people cop to "badge floss" but people also buy cars simply because of its looks regardless of brand
if i liked the E92 and it wasnt a bmw but under a different brand id still cop the E92....
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Chapter 2: Da Big Picture
You're really going to proclaim yourself as "looking at the big picture" while 30-yrs old, living at home, with a job (not career) that anyone with the slightest bit of competency can achieve? What exactly separates you from the rest? You're saving 'stacks' under the dirty mattress & mismatched sheets? Just biding time until you rise like a Phoenix? Enlighten us. We have dudes on here making moves straight out of the womb so I'd get off that 'top-shelf' mentality. Just because you say something over & over again, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. At least you've made it clear that the loudest ones always compensate for something...
I genuinely feel sad for your mother. First time seeing that video & after watching it, you can see the utter disdain when she hears your 'reasoning' (i.e. excuses) for EVERYTHING. No joke; her appearance/demeanor is as if she failed as a parent/mother, but is stuck with the guilt of not having to completely abandon the deadweight...
wait a min...did you just say leather is not a priority on many who's buying a LUXURY CAR?!
see i KNEW i was gonna find one of these owners with da feelings hurt.
like that chart says, da maintenance cost is SUPER back loaded, so once BMW pulls da chair from under you da price BALLOONS far more then da SRT8.
SRT8 simply offers WAY MORE for WAY LESS...and guess what? HOLD ITS VALUE alot better then da entry level luxury 528i...wanna look like you goofed?
check this out.
[h1]2011 BMW 5 Series - True Cost to Own[/h1]
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528i Sedan (3.0L 6-cyl. 8-speed Automatic)
Change Vehicle
[h2]SummaryMore about TCO [SUP][emoji]174[/emoji][/SUP]
[/h2]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]True Cost To Own*[/TD]
[TD]$63,342[/TD]
[td] [/td]
[td]
Results for
New York, NY
* Based on a 5-year estimate with 15,000 miles driven per year.
[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total Cash Price[/TD]
[TD]$32,784[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[h2]5 Year Details[/h2]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH] [/TH]
[TH]Year 1[/TH]
[TH]Year 2[/TH]
[TH]Year 3[/TH]
[TH]Year 4[/TH]
[TH]Year 5[/TH]
[TH]5 Yr Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Depreciation[/TD]
[TD]$4,565[/TD]
[TD]$4,004[/TD]
[TD]$3,523[/TD]
[TD]$3,123[/TD]
[TD]$2,803[/TD]
[TD]$18,018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Taxes & Fees[/TD]
[TD]$2,534[/TD]
[TD]$21[/TD]
[TD]$70[/TD]
[TD]$21[/TD]
[TD]$70[/TD]
[TD]$2,716[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Financing[/TD]
[TD]$1,025[/TD]
[TD]$815[/TD]
[TD]$595[/TD]
[TD]$368[/TD]
[TD]$131[/TD]
[TD]$2,934[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fuel[/TD]
[TD]$2,484[/TD]
[TD]$2,559[/TD]
[TD]$2,635[/TD]
[TD]$2,714[/TD]
[TD]$2,796[/TD]
[TD]$13,188[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Insurance[/TD]
[TD]$2,477[/TD]
[TD]$2,564[/TD]
[TD]$2,654[/TD]
[TD]$2,747[/TD]
[TD]$2,843[/TD]
[TD]$13,285[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maintenance[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$2,146[/TD]
[TD]$3,206[/TD]
[TD]$1,963[/TD]
[TD]$984[/TD]
[TD]$8,299[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Repairs[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$825[/TD]
[TD]$1,265[/TD]
[TD]$1,357[/TD]
[TD]$1,455[/TD]
[TD]$4,902[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]True Cost to Own [SUP][emoji]174[/emoji][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]$13,085[/TD]
[TD]$12,934[/TD]
[TD]$13,948[/TD]
[TD]$12,293[/TD]
[TD]$11,082[/TD]
[TD]$63,342[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
this is for a 2010 charger SRT8...look at da ballooning price of maintenance price and repairs, and depreciation of da 2011 bimmer
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[TR]
[TH] [/TH]
[TH]Year 1[/TH]
[TH]Year 2[/TH]
[TH]Year 3[/TH]
[TH]Year 4[/TH]
[TH]Year 5[/TH]
[TD]5 YEAR TOTAL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Maintenance[/td]
[TD]$567[/TD]
[TD]$1,426[/TD]
[TD]$483[/TD]
[TD]$710[/TD]
[TD]$1,792[/TD]
[TD]$4,978[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Repairs[/td]
[TD]$141[/TD]
[TD]$305[/TD]
[TD]$336[/TD]
[TD]$740[/TD]
[TD]$800[/TD]
[TD]$2,322[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Fuel[/td]
[TD]$3,439[/TD]
[TD]$3,639[/TD]
[TD]$3,850[/TD]
[TD]$4,073[/TD]
[TD]$4,309[/TD]
[TD]$19,310[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Depreciation[/td]
[TD]$7,595[/TD]
[TD]$2,550[/TD]
[TD]$1,958[/TD]
[TD]$1,995[/TD]
[TD]$2,509[/TD]
[TD]$16,607[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Financing[/td]
[TD]$1,151[/TD]
[TD]$912[/TD]
[TD]$673[/TD]
[TD]$418[/TD]
[TD]$148[/TD]
[TD]$3,302[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Insurance[/td]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$2,215[/TD]
[TD]$11,075[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]State Fees[/td]
[TD]$149[/TD]
[TD]$105[/TD]
[TD]$102[/TD]
[TD]$94[/TD]
[TD]$93[/TD]
[TD]$543[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]Yearly Totals[/td]
[TD]$15,257[/TD]
[TD]$11,152[/TD]
[TD]$9,617[/TD]
[TD]$10,245[/TD]
[TD]$11,866[/TD]
[TD]$58,137[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/dodge/charger/srt8_sedan/1476/cost_of_ownership/#ixzz2cUnhTrxw
Chapter 3: How to Request for Proof & Then Ignore It - 101
Your feeble attempt at coming up with something to counter my previous post is this? A USED 2010 Charger SRT8 versus a USED 2011 528i? (I was under the impression that we were debating a NEW purchase.) With that said, you do realize a 2010 SRT8 utilizes the 6.1 while the 528i used the older N52, yes? (N52 won back-to-back Engine of the Year Awards as well. Interesting, no?) Regardless, these are pretty big factors as you're basically coming from left field considering I gave you equivalent (2013) year comparisons with their updated & current attributes. When working with those USED numbers, you're still proving my point. Honestly, are you even reviewing what you're posting or just Googling anything while regurgitating it here? You, literally, added to why the SRT8 is a horrible purchase...
Taking into account your USED 'facts':
- It's interesting that the 2010 SRT8's depreciation gets HIGHER in Year-5 while the common/typical trend should be the exact opposite.
- The SRT8's fuel expenses have a significant RISING trend from Year-1 to Year-5? Spending in excess of an extra +/- $1K (at Year-5 alone) to fuel your 'value' | 'bang for your buck' automobile?
- Maintenance: 2011 528i's bell curve to the 2010 SRT8's inverted curve. You figure it out & decide what works best.
- Repairs: Yes, they increase, but it appears that your numbers are much different than mine. A quick look at MotorTrend dictates that repairs after 5-years on a USED 2011 BMW 528i are in the realm of $2,214 while repairs after 5-years on a USED 2010 Dodge Charger SRT8 are $2,322. Why you chose different years with different engines compared to what I posted as a response/rebuttal really doesn't make any sense. It's like you're throwing anything & everything out there and seeing if it sticks.
*Simply put. Just because the car is cheaper in it's initial purchase/MSRP, it doesn't dictate that it's a more affordable/valuable/etc. vehicle. (The facts solidify & confirm that.) So your repairs, maintenance & depreciation still fluctuate, but fuel costs continually increase. Your insurance is astronomical for the average consumer. Please explain. Where are the savings? What exactly is the value of this purchase as opting for this vehicle says otherwise. After all is said & done, the Value Rating is still consistently denoted as POOR for ANY year Charger 6.1/6.4 SRT8. The fact that you're trying to work your way around that and/or ignore an actual fact is, more or less, why I'm even in this thread. It's like watching a gruesome car accident scene on the side of the road. You know it's a lost cause, but you still want to see what's going on.*
...and yes. I stated that leather isn't a priority for many. Regardless, it's only a $1,400 option so you're not exactly breaking the bank. Were you under the impression that this small upgrade was more? It's actually not uncommon to see someone opt for leatherette. Some due to finances. Some due to preference. (Sad part is. I can foresee you bringing up leather again as your crutch/go-to 'fact'.) No need to generalize a consumer base especially when you're not within that bracket to actually make those types of decisions. With all my 'wall-of-text/did not read' rambling, I'll wait for your response where you choose & deduce negligible facts as opposed to the ones that further hinder your credibility. Keep digging that hole as you still make NT 'interesting'.
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Once again I can't buy that chart because as someone who has extensively researched and actually shopped for that type of car it just doesn't depreciate that drastically in year one.
I mean if you click that link and look at the average consumer resale value of a 2010 in comparision to a 2009 its nowhere near a 7500 dollar difference.
We got to stop making this stuff personal and actually look this stuff up before we present it as fact.
Frankly considering that Motortrend directly contradicted its itself I'm throwing it out as a source.
I mean if you click that link and look at the average consumer resale value of a 2010 in comparision to a 2009 its nowhere near a 7500 dollar difference.
We got to stop making this stuff personal and actually look this stuff up before we present it as fact.
Frankly considering that Motortrend directly contradicted its itself I'm throwing it out as a source.
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Want to throw-out Edmunds as a source too?
Not sure if you guys are trolling or just uneducated. Perhaps a combination of the two...
2013 Dodge Charger SRT8 - True Cost to Own
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"extensively" researched...
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Cost of ownership is nearly identical to a 5 series.... further proving its all comes down the driver and what they want... there is no "right" choice.
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Instead of looking up websites how about you go look at what these cars actually sell for used because you are making yourself look ******ed
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All that hot air you just bloviated and BMW just
Introduced another entry level car (320i) that you
That plays into da sentiment of "entry level badge
Flossing"
Son think he knows what im holding
Son think he know what my mom dukes holding.
Fact of da matter is once da lease agreement of a
528i is up that car becomes high mileage lunch
Meat that only a fool would purchase outta warranty.
Leatherette? Ite b.
Introduced another entry level car (320i) that you
That plays into da sentiment of "entry level badge
Flossing"
Son think he knows what im holding
Son think he know what my mom dukes holding.
Fact of da matter is once da lease agreement of a
528i is up that car becomes high mileage lunch
Meat that only a fool would purchase outta warranty.
Leatherette? Ite b
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i honestly think this whole debate is silly. buy what you want.. but i been shopping for a charger srt8 and i can tell you that 14k in depreciation in year 1 figure is just straight bogus... Base srt8 starts at what 46k, deduct 14 from that and you coming out at 32k.. someone find me a Charger srt8 thats not a bumble bee joint going for 32k.............. i know in my area (in the south) they DO NOT exist... i think that chart is just showing typical depreciation on a car that normally costs that much, but its a fact that american cars with big engines retain their value.. good luck with that chart, because by that chart i should be able to find a 2011 dodge charger srt8 for 30k no problem..... nah
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Haha! Always nice to see ninja bust out the thesaurus...
3-Series & 5-Series are completely different classes, papi. No one's denying that there's a select group of people that live outside their means and/or want a BMW, MB, etc. just to say they have one. That proposition can be said for materialism as a whole. My discussion was purely on value in reference to your 'example(s)'. Unless you're bringing cash to the table, you still need to qualify for financing. I assumed you already knew this, but then I remembered you've never purchased an automobile...
As predicted, I never got my answer. Just little jabs...
AGAIN. Where are the savings in an SRT8? What exactly is the value of this automobile? One would be hovering close to $75K to pay for a Dodge sedan. Good choice, my man. Good choice...
3-Series & 5-Series are completely different classes, papi. No one's denying that there's a select group of people that live outside their means and/or want a BMW, MB, etc. just to say they have one. That proposition can be said for materialism as a whole. My discussion was purely on value in reference to your 'example(s)'. Unless you're bringing cash to the table, you still need to qualify for financing. I assumed you already knew this, but then I remembered you've never purchased an automobile...
As predicted, I never got my answer. Just little jabs...
AGAIN. Where are the savings in an SRT8? What exactly is the value of this automobile? One would be hovering close to $75K to pay for a Dodge sedan. Good choice, my man. Good choice...
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People in this thread frankly have never actually tried to buy these cars.
You got Ninja talking about MDS makes Da Hemi good on gas when me and Spider actually own them and know for a fact it doesn't
Then you got this dude Sniper talking about how Edmunds
How about you go to any used car website in America and find me a 2012 srt8 anything with 15000 miles or less for 32k that isn't a salvage title.
Then after you do that go look at what a 2012 BMW 5 series in the same condition sells for.
Hell go to ebay and check completed auctions.
I don't even want to take part in this argument but when blatant lies are presented as fact when it's obvious someone doesn't know what they are talking about its comical.
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I got the leather in my car, but a lot of people prefer the mb-tex (leatherette) over the genuine leather, because it doesn't wear as quickly and it's hard to tell from the real thing anyway.
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yea i dont think you need to own the hemi to know that gas mileage is def a downside to pushing the hemi.... i dont care how you try to spin it, or what type of made up manufacturer's numbers you try to use... car gets horrible gas mileage, but then who buys the hemi for gas mileage?????? but yea I'm hoping some NTers can find me some 2012 srt8's with 20,000 miles on it for 30-33k because from what I've seen looking ALL OVER the east coast.. they don't exist.. dudes in here just arguing to argue.. making no sensePeople in this thread frankly I have never actually tried to buy these cars.
You got Ninja talking about MDS makes Da Hemi good on gas when me and Spider actually own them and know for a fact it doesn't
Then you got this dude Sniper talking about how Edmunds
How about you go to any used car website in America and find me a 2012 srt8 anything with 15000 miles or less for 32k that isn't a salvage title.
Then after you do that go look at what a 2012 BMW 5 series in the same condition sells for.
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exactly, and unlike da base model 528i which is gonna suffer from HEAVY depreciation, da charger SRT8 is gonna hold its value
ALOT better.
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Not denying that. However, that still comes with the territory of actually holding value in relation to it's actual competitors within that price range. Same can't be said for the SRT8. You do know it's competitors, yes?